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You smugness is so high I can barely take reading your post! The Jes have NO authority regarding their OWN Scriptures because they arent Christian??? I am sorry, but such posts as yours make ever more grateful no only for leaving the church, but also for using my experiences to debunk the church.
Desiderius Erasmus
His religious training was obtained from the study of St. Jerome and Lorenzo Valla. In 1491 a lucky accident freed him from monastic life. The Bishop of Cambrai was minded to visit Italy and chose Erasmus as secretary and traveling companion, attracted by the young man’s linguistic attainments; he also ordained him priest in 1492. The journey was never made, but Erasmus remained in the service of the bishop, who, in 1496, sent him to Paris to complete his studies. The scholastic method of instruction then prevalent at Paris was so repugnant to him that he spent much of his time travelling through France and the Netherlands, receiving occasionally friendly help; he was also for a while at Orléans, where he worked at his collection of proverbs, the later “Adagia”. The money for a trip to England he earned by acting as tutor to three Englishmen, from whom he also obtained valuable letters of introduction.leader of German humanism, b. at Rotterdam, Holland, 28 October, probably in 1466; d. at Basle, Switzerland, 12 July, 1536. newadvent.org/cathen/05510b.htm

The sacraments
A test of the Reformation was the doctrine of the sacraments, and the crux of this question was the observance of the Eucharist. In 1530, Erasmus published a new edition of the orthodox treatise of Algerus against the heretic Berengar of Tours in the eleventh century. He added a dedication, affirming his belief in the reality of the Body of Christ after consecration in the Eucharist. The anti-sacramentarians, headed by Œcolampadius of Basel, were, as Erasmus says, quoting him as holding views similar to their own in order to try to claim him for their schismatic movement
 
How can people say that they have everything they need in the bible, especially when they dont have all of the books. What about what was taken out, how do you account for that. I just dont understand.
Other than the doctrine of Purgatory can you tell me what is missing by not having these books?
 
I am sorry, but such posts as yours make ever more grateful no only for leaving the church, but also for using my experiences to debunk the church.
It’s the opposite for me. This is one the main reasons, but there are many others, I questioned my Evangelical upbringing and decided to join the Catholic Church.
 
“Eventually, some Jews rejected the Septuagint in favor of another Greek translation before, ultimately, rejecting any Greek translation as authoratative. The Hebrew text of the Hebrew bible would not be fully stabilized until the work of a group of Jewish scribes, the Masoretes, in the early Middle Ages; this became known as the MasoreticText. In addition to finally fixing the text, they added the vowels, (Hebrew does not use seperate letters to indicate vowels), divisions, punctuations, and musical notations that govern the liturgical readings of the Torah.”
Creating Judasim–History, Tradition, Practice -
by Michael L. Satlow - Satlow is an editor of Brown Judaic Studies and chair of the History and Literature of Rabbinic Judaism section of the Society of Biblical Literature, and previously taught at Indiana University, the University of Virginia and the University of Cincinnati before arriving at Brown in 2002. During the 2006/7 academic year he will teach “Judaism,” “Early Jewish Prayer,” “The Beginning of Judaism,” and “The Jewish Lifecycle.”
amazon.com/Creating-Judaism-History-Tradition-Practice/dp/0231134894/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-1886218-0658854?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186820215&sr=1-1

1952 – [Feb.] Bedouin discover 30 fragments of other scrolls in Cave 2, including Jubilees & ben Sirach in the original Hebrew.

– De Vaux locates Cave 4 less than 200 yards from Khirbet Qumran. 15000 of fragments of 574 mss. found including Aramaic versions 1 Enoch & Tobit, a scroll of Samuel that was closer to the Greek Septuagint than the official Hebrew text & fragments of a copy of the Damascus Covenant, a text that had been discovered in 1896 in the geniza of old Cairo synagogue.

The Peshitto
The earliest manuscript of this Syriac Vulgate is a Pentateuch dated A.D. 464; this is the earliest dated Biblical manuscripts; it is in the British Museum. There are two New Testament manuscripts of the fifth century. In all, the Peshitto manuscripts number 125 of Gospels, 58 of Acts and the Catholic Epistles, and 67 of the Pauline Epistles.
newadvent.org/cathen/09627a.htm

Catholic Epistle
The name given to the Epistle of St. James, to that of St. Jude, to two Epistles of St. Peter and the first three of St. John, because, unlike the Epistles of St. Paul, they were addressed not to any particular person or church, but to the faithful generally after the manner of an Encyclical letter. Though addressed to particular persons the other two Epistles of St. John are also styled Catholic, because they have always been grouped with the epistles bearing that name.
newadvent.org/cathen/03453a.htm

Erasmus’ Greek manuscript basis. Erasmus’ final 1535 edition still relied upon no more than six Greek manuscripts, the oldest (but least used!) of which was from the tenth century. Though Erasmus did in later editions of his work consult the Complutensian version of the Greek New Testament, Metzger is able to truthfully state
bibletexts.com/kjv-tr.htm#3

The early church was founded by Hellenistic Jews; naturally, they used the Septuagint. There are passages in the gospels and epistles where Jesus and Paul quote from the Septuagint: 300 of 350 quotations from the Old Testament in the New Testament are from the Septuagint. So while the Jews may have settled on the Palestinian canon by the early first century, the Christian church did not. apostate.com/2.0/english-bible-versions

Erasmus could not always tell text from commentary and based his reading on the Vulgate. Also, 1r is defective for the last six verses of the Apocalypse. To fill out the text, Erasmus made his own Greek translation from the Latin. He admitted to what he had done, but the result was a Greek text containing readings not found in any Greek manuscript – but which were faithfully retained through centuries of editions of the Textus Receptus. This included even certain readings which were not even correct Greek (Scrivener offers as an example Rev. 17:4 AKAQARTHTOS). skypoint.com/~waltzmn/TR.html

The Bible was not originally inspired with divisions by chapter and verse. The ancient manuscripts didn’t have them. One man, Cardinal Hugo de Sancto Caro, started to do this from 1244 to 1248 A.D. He did this while creating a concordance of the Latin Vulgate, in order to help people look up verses of the Bible. But the typical modern chapter divisions were apparently devised by Stephen Langton, who was an Archbishop of Canterbury in England. He started to do this around 1227 A.D. The Wycliffe English Bible did use them, as it was circulated in 1382. biblestudy.org/question/biblever.html
Great research, but none of it proves your claim.
 
It’s the opposite for me. This is one the main reasons, but there are many others, I questioned my Evangelical upbringing and decided to join the Catholic Church.
And such questioning is always to be respected…I am happy you are happy.
 
Desiderius Erasmus
His religious training was obtained from the study of St. Jerome and Lorenzo Valla. In 1491 a lucky accident freed him from monastic life. The Bishop of Cambrai was minded to visit Italy and chose Erasmus as secretary and traveling companion, attracted by the young man’s linguistic attainments; he also ordained him priest in 1492. The journey was never made, but Erasmus remained in the service of the bishop, who, in 1496, sent him to Paris to complete his studies. The scholastic method of instruction then prevalent at Paris was so repugnant to him that he spent much of his time travelling through France and the Netherlands, receiving occasionally friendly help; he was also for a while at Orléans, where he worked at his collection of proverbs, the later “Adagia”. The money for a trip to England he earned by acting as tutor to three Englishmen, from whom he also obtained valuable letters of introduction.leader of German humanism, b. at Rotterdam, Holland, 28 October, probably in 1466; d. at Basle, Switzerland, 12 July, 1536. newadvent.org/cathen/05510b.htm

The sacraments
A test of the Reformation was the doctrine of the sacraments, and the crux of this question was the observance of the Eucharist. In 1530, Erasmus published a new edition of the orthodox treatise of Algerus against the heretic Berengar of Tours in the eleventh century. He added a dedication, affirming his belief in the reality of the Body of Christ after consecration in the Eucharist. The anti-sacramentarians, headed by Œcolampadius of Basel, were, as Erasmus says, quoting him as holding views similar to their own in order to try to claim him for their schismatic movement
Again, quite scholarly but irrelevant to the topic at hand in this post.
 
Again, quite scholarly but irrelevant to the topic at hand in this post.
Septuagint - What is It?
Septuagint (sometimes abbreviated LXX) is the name given to the Greek translation of the Jewish Scriptures. The Septuagint has its origin in Alexandria, Egypt and was translated between 300-200 BC. Widely used among Hellenistic Jews, this Greek translation was produced because many Jews spread throughout the empire were beginning to lose their Hebrew language.
septuagint.net/

Jews of Ethiopia are generally known. The Bible, translated from the Septuagint Greek version, is read in Ge’ez, and most ancient religious texts of Beta Israel are written in Ge’ez
bh.org.il/names/ethiopianames.asp
 
Samaritan Pentateuch - On the return from the Exile, the Jews refused the Samaritans participation with them in the worship at Jerusalem, and the latter separated from all fellowship with them, and built a temple for themselves on Mount Gerizim

There are important differences between the Hebrew and the Samaritan copies of the Pentateuch in the readings of many sentences. In about two thousand instances in which the Samaritan and the Jewish texts differ, the LXX. agrees with the former. The New Testament also, when quoting from the Old Testament, agrees as a rule with the Samaritan text, where that differs from the Jewish. Thus Ex. 12:40 in the Samaritan reads, “Now the sojourning of the children of Israel and of their fathers which they had dwelt in the land of Canaan and in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years” (comp. Gal. 3:17). It may be noted that the LXX. has the same reading of this text htmlbible.com/kjv30/easton/east3203.htm

Historians have long pointed to the Essenes as the forerunner to the Christians. It is known that early Christians took much from the Essenes and their doctrine of asceticism. Their abhorrence of the Temple service and view of the evil priests is well documented. Since the early Christian religion began protest group and as an extension of Judaism, it has been speculated that the early Christian leaders circulated amongst the Essenes. Much of the changes and reforms set in motion by the Essenes gave impetus to the early Christians to make further changes. However since they changed too many of the main tenets of the Jewish religion, they were not successful in attracting Jewish followers.

they withdrew themselves to the desert to live in enclaves which might be called communes but which bear a significant resemblance to later monasteries. Essenes did not marry; they shared property in common; they ate all meals together; and they lived a strictly regulated life of study and prayer; and they held themselves to a higher standard of virtue than others outside their community

Today, all Judaism is based on the Pharisees
John the Baptist seems to have belonged to the Essenes

academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/dfg/jesu/topic2.htm
jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?letter=E&artid=478
Google Dead Sea Scrolls

The history of the famous Bible School in Jerusalem The Ecole Biblique. Bible study. Ancient findings. Dead Sea Scrolls etc.
blip.tv/file/59347

The Dominican École biblique in Jerusalem was founded in 1890 as a Practical school for biblical studies. As a religious institution, it was conceived by Father Lagrange for the purpose of contributing to the scientific study of the “rediscovered” Holy Land and establishing a Catholic involvement in “Palestinology”—exegetic and scientific projects that were overwhelmingly dominated by Protestants—through research and fieldwork via exploration, excavation, and photography.
 
Other than the doctrine of Purgatory can you tell me what is missing by not having these books?
Yes - The complete Bible - as compiled by the Holy Spirit acting through Christ’s Church.

Peace
James
 
Not to me

Peace
James
Then great for you, but since you are not the end all authority, it is STILL open to debate. Ethiopian Christians can say the same of you as to why your Bible doesnt include Jubilees.
 
You have refuted 1 thing I posted - There is No Debate
There was nothing to debate, since they were irrelevant to the question at hand. However, I do admire the research of it. I must applaud that you are willing to try to have a discussion based on actual facts. That being said, the facts need to be relevant.
 
New Advent…so nothing but from a Catholic point of view…I dont think the Ethiopian CHurch will be all that impressed.
in a fanciful chronological system of jubilee-periods of forty-nine years each; each event is recorded as having taken place in such a week of such a month of such a Jubilee year. The author assumes an impossible solar year of 364 days
Home > Catholic Encyclopedia
newadvent.org/cathen/08535a.htm

Its more catholic than your profile
 
in a fanciful chronological system of jubilee-periods of forty-nine years each; each event is recorded as having taken place in such a week of such a month of such a Jubilee year. The author assumes an impossible solar year of 364 days
Home > Catholic Encyclopedia
newadvent.org/cathen/08535a.htm

Its more catholic than your profile
You dont listen very well. Giving New Advent links does NOT impress me when the discussion is about a non-Catholic Church. As far as your comment, if you then are a representation of what it means to be a Catholic, using cheap shots, then Im glad Im gone! And BTW, I know FULL WELL what the Book of Jubilees is, as usual, you missed the point of the comment.
 
You dont listen very well. Giving New Advent links does NOT impress me when the discussion is about a non-Catholic Church. As far as your comment, if you then are a representation of what it means to be a Catholic, using cheap shots, then Im glad Im gone! And BTW, I know FULL WELL what the Book of Jubilees is, as usual, you missed the point of the comment.
I am not to do your research for you - You have posted nothing - researched nothing
 
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