Missing mass for that time of the month

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Potato1 said:
Your view only hurts your equality stance.
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Men and women aren’t equal.

As a man, YOU will never know the pain of menustral cramps - or childbirth for that matter. YOU will never have bleeding nipples from breastfeeding nor will YOU experience hormonal mood swings every month.

Equal? Hardly. Women are stronger. 😉
 
Potato1 said:
Yup, of course I am a man, I guess that negates my opinion of this subject probably would negate Pope benedicts opinion as well. And I am sexist? Just because I take a position contrary to yours does not mean that my ignorance as a man is relevant, I know pain and I know women, discount me if you will just as I discount you but don’t for one minute think that I have no right to speak out on the subject. Maybe you should only speak of woman things.
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You have every right to speak on the subject but you have no right to assume what another woman’s pain is, what her level of tolerance for that pain is, and that in spite of everything, she surely can make it to Mass.

I see you, from your comments, as the kind of guy who was demanding that your wife pray the rosary with you in the hospital while she was in the middle of transition labor! :eek:
 
carol_marie said:
Men and women aren’t equal.

As a man, YOU will never know the pain of menustral cramps - or childbirth for that matter. YOU will never have bleeding nipples from breastfeeding nor will YOU experience hormonal mood swings every month.

Equal? Hardly. Women are stronger. 😉
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HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! LOL!!!
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Thank you so much this discussiojn helps me a lot. Especially when it comes to my confirmation kids and the young adult group questions. As you know sometimes they can be very bold! 👍 :hmmm: :blessyou:
 
carol_marie said:
Men and women aren’t equal.

As a man, YOU will never know the pain of menustral cramps - or childbirth for that matter. YOU will never have bleeding nipples from breastfeeding nor will YOU experience hormonal mood swings every month.

Equal? Hardly. Women are stronger. 😉
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Men and women have endured pain and torture far worse than mestral cramps and child bearing. Ask mayrters or prisoners of war, or rape and attempted murder victems.Your view that women is stronger is purely speculation, but I am betting that my pain threshold is higher than yours, lets play football or go to war. And see who misses mass after the game ort the battle. I have invisioned in my mind a knight fresh from the field, weary and wounded from battle, kneeling for communion, men and women are different. Duh, but I dont propose that you can’t make a logical argument because you are a woman and therefore incappable of extracting your emotion. or can’t you? :rolleyes:
mMaybe we should go back to the time when women were barred from the temple and indeed public because of thier “uncleanliness”
 
sanctareparata said:
You have every right to speak on the subject but you have no right to assume what another woman’s pain is, what her level of tolerance for that pain is, and that in spite of everything, she surely can make it to Mass.

I see you, from your comments, as the kind of guy who was demanding that your wife pray the rosary with you in the hospital while she was in the middle of transition labor! :eek:
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And I see you from your comments as a judgemental woman man hating whiner, but neirther of us are correct. Right?
My wife went through labor with flying colors, in fact she enjoyed it, she is pregnat again and I hoe to God that this trend continues, I cried in the delivery room to see my wife in pain and she never shed a tear. I would have done aything for her and would anytime. My argument is not on of lack of compassion but of logic. And you would do well never to talk of one’s wife or ones marriage in a disparriging way. My wife could beat you up!
 
Potato1 said:
Serriously?
You been to mass you have seen people there on oxegen, in wheelchairs, the elderly trying as hard as they can to kneel, people hung over, people with cancer or loss of limbs, handicapped. I have seen labor in the communion line. I understand that each woman is different in regards to thier experience iun this area but if it is keeping you from functioning on a somewhat normal level, I would really think that there is a problem and something that wonderful medicine and science could help with. Is this something so serious that we need to start asking it in job interviews or how about a campaign question for Mrs. Clinton. I hope Condi Rice is ok this month. Really, talk about sexist. I would think if the pain is so intense that you would need mass more than usual. It might beat sitting at home moaning.
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I learn many years ago from a Priest when is missing Mass consider a Sin,
  1. teenage boy breaks leg and is in extreme pain–NOT SINNING
  2. 85 year old man uses a walker and oxygen to get around, yet misses Mass to go to the Casinios—SINNING
  3. Young Mother up all night with sick babies----NOT SINNING
  4. Any person any age with severe pain that they can not even leave their homes----NOT SINNING
As far as Mrs. Clinton or Ms. Rice that sir, is sexist—doesn’t that mean Mr. Cheney should not be Vice President because of his heart problems?:hmmm:
That is just silly thinking.
To answer the OP question, if your monthly problems are like this then I believe you are not Sinning.
 
Lets give potato a rest here…

Surely we cannot expect him know how this feels. Therefore, as ignorant as his statements are, he cannot know, therefore will not know, no matter how much arguing there is on the subject. His opinions are his own, however wrong they may be.
As a woman, I can tell you that the first day, I cannot leave the house, most of the time, I cry all day, and if not, my mood is so terrible that i feel bad for anyone that has to encounter me. I’ve been to the doctors, its completely NORMAL…

Though I do agree that we should take up our crosses and deal (as potato so eloquently stated), I also believe that God understands our pain (after all, it was his invention). If we truly have the desire to be with him, there are other ways. How about watching mass on tv or listening to it online? Its not the same, but at least your heart is there…

And potato, you need to stop arguing this as well, you will not win…
 
I agree that we shouod call a truce, but I dissagree that my opinion is ignorant. that is stoking the fire it is my opinion and it very well may be wong but so may yours. To a previous poster, a priest should not be able to tell when a woman can miss mass if I can’t have my opinion. And I would feel sorry for the husband and kids of a woman who let this controll her life, I can’t immagine if my mom had cried or my wife stayed home and cried and was moody. Lets pray a little for the families nad husbands of this horrible curse.:eek:
 
carol_marie said:
Ok Potato… the jig is up. Admit it… you don’t really have a wife do you?

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I also noticed that you’re a stay at home daddy, Potato…where did all that talk about not wanting girls with menstrual problems to work for you come from?:confused:
 
The thing is to not use a lower threshold for being absent from Mass than you would for another activity of similar length and with similar physical requirements that you wanted to attend or felt a duty to attend, like school during exam week or even the wedding of a friend. Having said that, if the pain would keep you home from school or an event you have been looking forward to, one should not feel remiss in also allowing it to keep you home from Mass.

That is when the problem is not communicable. When you have a disease that is communicable, STAY HOME! At the very least, be scrupulous about washing your hands when you come in and keeping your hands away from your face during Mass, so that you can extend the sign of peace safely. Also, do not partake of the Precious Blood, please. The chalice does not kill viruses and bacteria.

When our kids were little, they used to pick up some nasty and long-lasting colds at school. I used to bring a little squeeze bottle of that waterless hand soap to Mass and had them apply it right after the Our Father.
Potato1 said:
Yup, of course I am a man, I guess that negates my opinion of this subject probably would negate Pope benedicts opinion as well. And I am sexist? Just because I take a position contrary to yours does not mean that my ignorance as a man is relevant, I know pain and I know women, discount me if you will just as I discount you but don’t for one minute think that I have no right to speak out on the subject. Maybe you should only speak of woman things.
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A man is of course entitled to an opinion on a theoretical level concerning considerations that women face. Pope Benedict, wise man that he is, never tried to tell us how bad menstrual pain is. I have six brothers, but I wouldn’t presume to tell you how bad it is for you to be kicked in the testicles. Nevertheless, I think you can imagine a persistent and severe cramping of your involuntary abdominal muscles, such that straightening up for any period of time is very difficult. Have some compassion, here!

I know people who pride themselves on dragging themselves to work no matter what, regardles of whether they are any good to themselves or anybody else. That does not make the theoretical threshold for calling in sick to work a matter of whether or not you are physically able to drag yourself in.

Menstrual cramps certainly may rise to a level where the woman is temporarily incapacitated. As there are women who have experienced both who compare their worst menstrual pains with labor pains and have not found a huge amount of difference, I’m inclined to take them at their word for that.
 
kevinsgirl said:
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I also noticed that you’re a stay at home daddy, Potato…where did all that talk about not wanting girls with menstrual problems to work for you come from?:confused:
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Maybe you are confused because I don’t really feel that way, I am just drawing a fallacious conclusion to the Idea of missing work, Mass, or School because of a periond that is supposed to be normal. My wife never would do that. And if she did her next trip would be to the doctors. Now regretfully I must attend to my daughter who has just woken from her nap, Thankfully it is not my time of the month or I would not be able to take care of her and I would yell and scream and cry. Maybe more women should work and more level headed dads stay home. It may benefit the family.
 
BLB_Oregon said:
The thing is to not use a lower threshold for being absent from Mass than you would for another activity of similar length and with similar physical requirements that you wanted to attend or felt a duty to attend, like school during exam week or even the wedding of a friend. Having said that, if the pain would keep you home from school or an event you have been looking forward to, one should not feel remiss in also allowing it to keep you home from Mass.

That is when the problem is not communicable. When you have a disease that is communicable, STAY HOME! At the very least, be scrupulous about washing your hands when you come in and keeping your hands away from your face during Mass, so that you can extend the sign of peace safely. Also, do not partake of the Precious Blood, please. The chalice does not kill viruses and bacteria.

When our kids were little, they used to pick up some nasty and long-lasting colds at school. I used to bring a little squeeze bottle of that waterless hand soap to Mass and had them apply it right after the Our Father.

A man is of course entitled to an opinion on a theoretical level concerning considerations that women face. Pope Benedict, wise man that he is, never tried to tell us how bad menstrual pain is. I have six brothers, but I wouldn’t presume to tell you how bad it is for you to be kicked in the testicles. Nevertheless, I think you can imagine a persistent and severe cramping of your involuntary abdominal muscles, such that straightening up for any period of time is very difficult. Have some compassion, here!

I know people who pride themselves on dragging themselves to work no matter what, regardles of whether they are any good to themselves or anybody else. That does not make the theoretical threshold for calling in sick to work a matter of whether or not you are physically able to drag yourself in.

Menstrual cramps certainly may rise to a level where the woman is temporarily incapacitated. As there are women who have experienced both who compare their worst menstrual pains with labor pains and have not found a huge amount of difference, I’m inclined to take them at their word for that.
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I agree with this post especially the beginning.😃
 
Potato1 said:
And you would do well never to talk of one’s wife or ones marriage in a disparriging way.
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But isn’t that just what you did?

“And I would feel sorry for the husband and kids of a woman who let this controll her life, I can’t immagine if my mom had cried or my wife stayed home and cried and was moody.”

“Now regretfully I must attend to my daughter who has just woken from her nap, *Thankfully it is not my time of the month or I would not be able to take care of her and I would yell and scream and cry. * Maybe more women should work and more level headed dads stay home. It may benefit the family.”
 
I am very offended by your comments, Potato.

"Now regretfully I must attend to my daughter who has just woken from her nap, Thankfully it is not my time of the month or I would not be able to take care of her and I would yell and scream and cry. Maybe more women should work and more level headed dads stay home. It may benefit the family."

How arrogant and rude of you. If some women liken their menstrual cramps to labor, then I assume you are also telling your wife to get out of her hospital bed and attend Mass? To take care of the children and quit laboring? To make you your dinner?

Honestly. Just be a gentleman and bow out of the discussion.
 
sanctareparata said:
If some women liken their menstrual cramps to labor, then I assume you are also telling your wife to get out of her hospital bed and attend Mass? To take care of the children and quit laboring? To make you your dinner?
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Kind of reminds me of that guy in The Good Earth…😃
 
sanctareparata said:
I am very offended by your comments, Potato.

"Now regretfully I must attend to my daughter who has just woken from her nap, Thankfully it is not my time of the month or I would not be able to take care of her and I would yell and scream and cry. Maybe more women should work and more level headed dads stay home. It may benefit the family."

How arrogant and rude of you. If some women liken their menstrual cramps to labor, then I assume you are also telling your wife to get out of her hospital bed and attend Mass? To take care of the children and quit laboring? To make you your dinner?

Honestly. Just be a gentleman and bow out of the discussion.
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Again you misunderstand my position and are having trouble with sarcasm and logic. I hope it is just because of the pregnancy and the hormones. (sarcasm) My original position is one of concern of mestral cramps so strong that they would render one a vegatable. There IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT IF THAT IS THE CASE. NEver assume that the way i treat my wife is anything less than the Quenn she is. I will pray for your husband in the delivery room. He may be in for a lashing.
 
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