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carol_marie
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One of my all time favorite books.Kind of reminds me of that guy in The Good Earth…
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sanctareparata
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Why is it ridiculous? Because you aren’t a gentleman and I shouldn’t have assumed you were?
Your “sarcasm” is insulting, belittling and uncharitable, and your comments were much deserving of my reply.
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astegallrnc
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If some women liken their menstrual cramps to labor, then I assume you are also telling your wife to get out of her hospital bed and attend Mass? To take care of the children and quit laboring? To make you your dinner?
Good point. My cramps are worse than labor and my ovulation pain is worse than my cramps and my labors.
I agree with Potato that a woman who experiences menstrual cramps that interfere with her activities of daily living should seek medical help. With that said, no one can decide how much pain a person is experiencing. Pain threshold, tolerance, and reaction vary. For example, I have known people who experience difficulty functioning with one herniated disc but my mom functioned with 6. I have had enough experience as a nurse (specializing in women’s health) to know that we are not all the same.
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Good point. My cramps are worse than labor and my ovulation pain is worse than my cramps and my labors.
I agree with Potato that a woman who experiences menstrual cramps that interfere with her activities of daily living should seek medical help. With that said, no one can decide how much pain a person is experiencing. Pain threshold, tolerance, and reaction vary. For example, I have known people who experience difficulty functioning with one herniated disc but my mom functioned with 6. I have had enough experience as a nurse (specializing in women’s health) to know that we are not all the same.
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carol_marie
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I hope that your sweet baby girl never suffers from terrible cramps…but, if she does, I hope her daddy learns to appreciate how horrible it must be for her.
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Potato1
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Of course, And I would do anything in my power to keep her from any pain. I pray that she is lucky enouhg to be like my mom, sister, wife, any woman I have ever worked with and gone to school with and not have crippeling cramps. I hope that you learn how unfair it is to treat men with such disdain and excuses as to assume that they are not understanding and true knights of Christ. The type of charity here disproves my point. Women should stay home from mass when they are unclean. (Again, sarcasm) I was wrong.
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Potato1
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True, logical, comassionate, and non argumentative, I wish you could write for me.
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Feanaro_s_Wife
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I wish she could write for you too
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Potato1
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LOLI wish she could right for you too
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carol_marie
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LOL! You are so funny!!! HOW would you know about the menustrual habbits of women you went to school with or worked with? Maybe they suffered in silence around you because, dare I say, you seem to lacking a bit in the compassion department?
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Potato1
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You seem to be lacking a bit in the logic and piety department.
You are right. I only know what those women have shown me not what they have suffered in silence so lets look at this a way you could maybe understand.
You have a friend, you are a bridesmaid in her wedding. You have a dad, he dies and has a funeral. IN both situations the mestral pain would have to be very great for you to not attend. Correct, probably greater than if you were to miss work or school. That is what the Mass should be to you if it not then someting in you is lacking.
Bring my fatherhood and how I would treat my daughter into this is stupid. I cry seriously cry! when she bumps her head. my point was not that. For me that is the deciding factor would I miss a wedding that I was to take part in and a funeral of someone whom I loved, if the pain is so great that I cannot then I would seek medical attention because something is wrong. That my dear is compassionate to Christs suffering.
I do not doubt that some women have excruciating pain but look at it from my perspective there are those who exaggerate just to get something they want. I am sure you all have just like I do when I am sick. But factually this is an easy question. It is not like work or school but like a wedding or a funeral. I have called in sick when I could have been there alot, but It would have to be something extraordinary for me to bail as a best man.
I know the toung in cheek way you refered to my daughter so in turnabout. I sure pray any cramps you have are normal mestral cramps and not cancer. Pain with mestration can be a precurser to other medical problems. So if oyu are missing mass or not functioning then please seek attention.
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KittyKat
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It can definitly be a reason. All women feel pain differently. So do all men. I have seen men kicked in the groin that have to go to the dr to get it checked out and others barely notice.
I have missed plenty of things for that reason. Labor is better you get a baby at the end.
One of the girls I knew in middle school missed the first day or two of every period. The pain got to the point it messed with the nerves in her legs. She couldn’t walk. They couldn’t find anything wrong. She was put on the pill because it was one of the only treatment options that had been tested on teens.
Another girl I knew would roll and scream in pain, but the dr’s wouldn’t run tests because she wasn’t trying to get pregnant. She was 20 at the time and one dr thought a hysterectomy would be the best option because it would be expensive to figure out the problem. Vicodin wasn’t strong enough. She wound up with heavy duty pain killers and muscle relaxers.
I have missed plenty of things for that reason. Labor is better you get a baby at the end.
One of the girls I knew in middle school missed the first day or two of every period. The pain got to the point it messed with the nerves in her legs. She couldn’t walk. They couldn’t find anything wrong. She was put on the pill because it was one of the only treatment options that had been tested on teens.
Another girl I knew would roll and scream in pain, but the dr’s wouldn’t run tests because she wasn’t trying to get pregnant. She was 20 at the time and one dr thought a hysterectomy would be the best option because it would be expensive to figure out the problem. Vicodin wasn’t strong enough. She wound up with heavy duty pain killers and muscle relaxers.
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carol_marie
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I did not mean to offend you when I refered to your daughter in jest. Perhaps that was in poor taste, if so, please forgive me.
I rarely experience menustraual cramps - certainly not the kind that would keep me from my daily activities, which is why I would never presume to understand what it might be like for other women. But thanks for your concern.
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Potato1
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I also appologise, it got kind of personal and I was out of line as well. So forgive me.
I agree that we should not assume what it is like for some women but certainly we can come up with criteria that each person makes in thier own concionce. So I really do like my analogy of the wedding or funeral of a close friend or family member. Also the op was refering to a youth group question and as a youth misister I can fully appreciated that kids ask questions about interesting things for interesting reasons. These young girls are just learning about themselves, theier bodies and thier morals so the example we set for what the Mass is is very important and it may indeed shape how they deal with this issue for the rest of thier lives not just with mass but in thier families and thier marriges and thier jobs.
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Traci
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Really, why don’t you tell my doctors that then? Obviously, you know more than them. I suffer with crippling cramps every month. I am doubled over in pain, vomitting the first day of my cycle every month. I have had utrasounds and tests and everything is NORMAL!!! The only thing they can do is put me on the pill, not an option, or prescribe serious pain killers that have serious side effects, also not an option for me.
I find your comments very offensive. Fortunately, my cramps have never occured during mass, but if they did, I physically would not be able to leave the house. You have NO idea the pain that can come with cramps, or how difficult, not only physically but mentally it is to deal with them.
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Potato1
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I am truly sorry for you pain and, you did the correct things, please don’t construe my comments against you, I would expect that if you were reading at my wedding or that your father died, that you would miss either occasion for excellent reasons. While the test may show everything is normal that doesn’t mean that there isnt something wrong with the fact that you are in so much pain. It just may mean that it cannot be fixed. But surely abnormal pain is not normal and is a horrible thing to deal with. Of course you could miss mass for such a reason, and a wedding, and a funeral and taking care of kids or any other serious obligation. YOu misunderstand my position.
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Traci
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I have missed Christmas Eve with my family, and I have missed a cousin’s wedding because I was doubled over in pain and vomitting due to cramps. And yes, I would have to miss your hypothetical events or be late if cramps hit…
Are you implying that those of us who have crippling cramps are “faking” it to get something we want? So when I am dripping with sweat and shivering with cold at the same time, am doubled over in pain and vomitting that I am exaggerating? I find your presumptions very offensive.
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Traci
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If I misunderstood your position, I apologize.
I assure you that pain can be normal for some women. This is what causes normal menstral pain…"Prostaglandins are chemicals a woman’s body produces that cause many of the symptoms associated with menstrual discomfort. The tissue that lines the uterus makes these chemicals. Prostaglandins stimulate the uterine muscles to contract. Women who have high levels of prostaglandin experience more intense contractions of their uterus and more pain. Prostaglandins may also be responsible for vomiting, diarreha, and headaches that accompany painful periods. "
emedicinehealth.com/menstrual_pain/page2_em.htm
Some problems such as endometriosis or ovarian cysts, etc, can be the cause of pain, but I don’t have any thing like that. After ruling out these problems, you can be sure that it can be very normal for severe pain during a womens’ cycles.
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mnmom
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Let’s not forget the along with those muscles cramps at least for me is the frequent emptying of the bowels. Sorry to get graphic but you have to endure it to understand.
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Traci
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Unfortunately, I can sympathize. Although, with all the other things going on, that is usually the most tolerableLet’s not forget the along with those muscles cramps at least for me is the frequent emptying of the bowels. Sorry to get graphic but you have to endure it to understand.
To the OP, personally, I don’t think that it is wrong to miss mass for the women who deal with these issues. It is up to the woman herself to search her heart and determine if she is able, at that time, to attend. No one can understand someone elses pain or tolerance level, or what they physically/mentally can or can not do.
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astegallrnc
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I don’t think Potato was referring to women in your situation but rather women who would use legitimate medical conditions and symptoms as excuses to miss Mass. A few years ago, I would have been guilty of this (diagnosed with endometriosis and uterine fibroid and definitely symptomatic).If I misunderstood your position, I apologize.
I am not sure if I agree that it is normal for a woman to experience debilitating menstrual periods. Some pain during menstruation is normal, but dysmenorrhea is not. Although the medical profession recognizes that dysmenorrhea is abnormal, IMO, this is one of many areas of women’s health that has not been thoroughly researched.
Traci, I encourage you to contact the Pope Paul VI Institute if you haven’t already. They may be able to help you. Even if you have had a diagnostic laparoscopy (the only way to rule out endometriosis), consider contacting the Institute.
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