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If you’re sick then the obligation does not exist since illness is a valid “automatic dispensation” from Mass.
But that’s the point. You may feel like you’re coming down with something, only to realize you’re not several hours later and feel guilty about it. Or perhaps there’s 15 inches of snow but the roads have been plowed. Or lots of lightning, for that matter. Don’t know whether to chance it. Excuses are easy but are they sufficient for missing Mass? Not always an easy call. Does intention count for anything?
 
Oh my gosh…I can’t believe that we go on like this…

It makes someone who is coming home like me give pause…is this really following Christ? Getting caught up in the petty details?
 
Oh my gosh…I can’t believe that we go on like this…

It makes someone who is coming home like me give pause…is this really following Christ? Getting caught up in the petty details?
My father-confessor chides me often for scrupulosity over just this kind of issue.
 
I am on vacation this week, and feel no guilt about it. And interestingly enough, I was on a long bike ride yesterday and I stopped at a local spring to fill my water bottles, when a small car with 4 nuns pulled up. I said hi and asked what community they were from as I didn’t recognize their habits (yes they were in proper habits). They were from the Marcelline order in Montreal and were filling a big jug of water. We chatted for a bit and learned that they run a private school in Westmount. The sister chatting to me mentioned that they were on vacation.

So if even nuns, traditional enough to still wear the habit, can take a vacation, so can I.

Moreover it’s the law in this country that employers grant vacation time.
So when you go on vacation do you also stop paying your utility bills?

Do you also take a vacation from loving your spouse?

Caring for your children?

I think the proper question might be … why does “going on vacation” mean you don’t spend time with our Lord in the Eucharist? Attending Mass is not merely an obligation - it should be something we - as Christians - do to maintin our life - like breathing … uniting ourselves to Christ should be the point around which our life is founded …

I am amazed that people would consider leaving God behind to go on vacation … Other posters have mentioned kids soccer games … how about Superbowl Sunday and te NBA playoffs … :eek:

My how far we have come from the Christians who risked death in order to even attend a Mass :rolleyes: … Can you even imagine that :confused: risking your very life to come to the Eucharist? No - now its "I work 60-80 hours per week [or some other personal whim] and I deserve to do this or that instead of going to Mass [as if attendance at Mass is just another item on the “TO DO LIST” or other social activity … its fine if it fits the busy schedule or provides some persoanl satisfaction - otherwise … 🤷 no sweat …

Jesus died for me [and you], Jesus gives His very Body and Blood - Heavenly Food - for me… A banquet of Love for me [and you] … I want to be there with Him don’t you? …

PS: if you are over worked, burdoned, worn down … you can not find any better comfort or healing then spending time with Jesus - receiving Him in the Eucharist … no primordal forest can take your burdens away … Jesus can … Jesus can give you the strength and grace to face everything and anything …
 
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I am amazed that people would consider leaving God behind to go on vacation … Other posters have mentioned kids soccer games … how about Superbowl Sunday and te NBA playoffs … :eek:

My how far we have come from the Christians who risked death in order to even attend a Mass :rolleyes: … Can you even imagine that :confused: risking your very life to come to the Eucharist? No - now its "I work 60-80 hours per week [or some other personal whim] and I deserve to do this or that instead of going to Mass [as if attendance at Mass is just another item on the “TO DO LIST” or other social activity … its fine if it fits the busy schedule or provides some persoanl satisfaction - otherwise … 🤷 no sweat …

Jesus died for me [and you], Jesus gives His very Body and Blood - Heavenly Food - for me… A banquet of Love for me [and you] … I want to be there with Him don’t you? …

PS: if you are over worked, burdoned, worn down … you can not find any better comfort or healing then spending time with Jesus - receiving Him in the Eucharist … no primordal forest can take your burdens away … Jesus can … Jesus can give you the strength and grace to face everything and anything …
We all make choices when we decide who or what comes first in our priorities.
When on vacation in Florida from UK, my priority is to locate a Catholic Church. (Holy Redeemer in Kissimmee and St Catherine of Sienna in Osceola!)
Similarly, when I take my caravan away for a long weekend in UK, I only select a caravan/RV park with a Church within travelling distance.
I wouldn’t pick a location where I was unable to go to Mass and thank Jesus for all that he has done for me and all that he has given me.
But that is my choice, and I find Jesus has given me extra blessings and comfort in these new churches that I visit.
Mike
 
We need to remember that we must make a distinction between what “I” do and what the Church requries. Its great that so many here would never take a vacation where they could not attend Mass. However, the Church imposes no such obligation. An individual who takes a vacation and is not reasonably near a Mass can be dispensed from the obligation. Why are posters contanstly trying to impose burdens on others that the Church does not impose?
 
We need to remember that we must make a distinction between what “I” do and what the Church requries. Its great that so many here would never take a vacation where they could not attend Mass. However, the Church imposes no such obligation. An individual who takes a vacation and is not reasonably near a Mass can be dispensed from the obligation. Why are posters contanstly trying to impose burdens on others that the Church does not impose?
Yes but I can use the argument that one is given a choice of where he wants to go on vacation and if Mass isn’t his primary concern on a given Sunday, then something is wrong. Surely if he looks long enough, unless he won the trip on some game show, he can find a camp close enough to Mass somewhere. Obviously if he is or even feels forced to go where no Mass is available, then I’ll agree with the dispensation.
 
Yes but I can use the argument that one is given a choice of where he wants to go on vacation and if Mass isn’t his primary concern on a given Sunday, then something is wrong
Once again, you are imposing your own person habits and spirituality upon another person. The Church does not require that people never vacation away from an available Mass. Regardless of what you think of the chocie, the Church allows it. Docility to the Church should be prefered to imposing personal opinions…
Surely if he looks long enough, unless he won the trip on some game show, he can find a camp close enough to Mass somewhere. Obviously if he is or even feels forced to go where no Mass is available, then I’ll agree with the dispensation.
That’s nice that you find it in your heart to agree however let’s stick to what the Church and Her canons actually allow. It doesn’t matter what you think, it matters only what the Church (gudied by the Holy Spirit) allows or disallows.

I recently was at a dinner with a bishop who has a JCL (a license in canon law). I actually raised this issue with him. He was very clear that the canons do not require people to vacation near a Mass. You should not be imposing burdens/obligations/duties upon people that the Church does not.
 
God doesn’t take a vacation. So what makes a person think they are “entitled” to a vacation?
People are not God.

God doesn’t get sick or injured, either, but I had to miss Mass the Sunday after I had knee surgery and could neither walk nor drive.

Miz
 
So when you go on vacation do you also stop paying your utility bills?
No, I pay them in advance so I don’t have to do it later.
Do you also take a vacation from loving your spouse?
Caring for your children?
No, they would come on vacation with me.
I think the proper question might be … why does “going on vacation” mean you don’t spend time with our Lord in the Eucharist?
Because if I’m on vacation somewhere where there is no church to attend, that pretty much settles the question of going to Mass. However, one can spend time with the Lord in numerous other activities. I think the proper question is “Why do you lock God away in a box, only to be taken out on Sundays?”
…now its "I work 60-80 hours per week [or some other personal whim]
Working long hours is a PERSONAL WHIM?

Maybe you need to get yourself a real job out in the real world.

Miz
 
Because if I’m on vacation somewhere where there is no church to attend, that pretty much settles the question of going to Mass.
The Church allows a 32+ hour window for attending Mass on Saturday and Sunday. In this new world of speed and internet, where in the world could you be without finding a church to attend in that whole window of opportunity to fulfill your obligation?
 
The Church allows a 32+ hour window for attending Mass on Saturday and Sunday. In this new world of speed and internet, where in the world could you be without finding a church to attend in that whole window of opportunity to fulfill your obligation?
The Church allows for a dispensation in certain circumstances. Are you saying you are above the Church? Again…we are talking about dispensations allowed by the priest. I’m pretty sure when I go to my priest and discuss this…he’ll ask questions…and then I TRUST his judgement. We are not talking about the normal weekly fulfillment of obligations.

Forgive me but I feel like you are trying to impose more on people then the Church does. Who gave you that authority?
 
Yes but I can use the argument that one is given a choice of where he wants to go on vacation and if Mass isn’t his primary concern on a given Sunday, then something is wrong. Surely if he looks long enough, unless he won the trip on some game show, he can find a camp close enough to Mass somewhere. Obviously if he is or even feels forced to go where no Mass is available, then I’ll agree with the dispensation.
Sorry, it doesn’t matter whatsoever what you think, feel, or want. The Church has canons and “case history” (so to speak) that dictates what She allows or doesn’t allow. You are free to set for yoruself standards that are stricter than Church law but you are not free to impose upon others duties/obligations/requirements that the Church does not. Unless you are a Protestant who believes in making up your own rules to throw at others, you are stuck being docile and agreeable to the teachings of the Church.
 
The Church allows for a dispensation in certain circumstances.
Yes it does and I’m not arguing against the Church. But one who uses vacation as a standard excuse to get out of going to Mass has to think about what exactly is he taking a vacation from, his work, his normal activity, the Mass, or all of these. I can’t judge your motives to know whether you abide by the “certain circumstances.”

Even when I was away from the sacraments for 20 some years, I made every effort to find a Mass wherever I travelled. Missing mass was simply not an option for me. It wasn’t easy not having maps or times of Mass, especially on Holy Days of Obligation. But I managed to catch some of the Masses most of the time. Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Besides I got to see a lot of churches around the country. That itself can enhance the vacation.
 
Yes it does and I’m not arguing against the Church. But one who uses vacation as a standard excuse to get out of going to Mass has to think about what exactly is he taking a vacation from, his work, his normal activity, the Mass, or all of these. I can’t judge your motives to know whether you abide by the “certain circumstances.”

Even when I was away from the sacraments for 20 some years, I made every effort to find a Mass wherever I travelled. Missing mass was simply not an option for me. It wasn’t easy not having maps or times of Mass, especially on Holy Days of Obligation. But I managed to catch some of the Masses most of the time. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
But the OP never said anything about it being a standard thing. No…you can’t judge my motives…that is what the PRIEST is for…😛

Great for you…but again…you do not have the authority to put it one everyone. By the way…did you say you missed some of the masses…:eek: ok…so my sarcasim is showing.

You are talking to someone who had a dispensation (actually a moved obligation–I went on Wed before and Wed after) for a 1/2 marathon that was on a Sunday.

On the other hand…I was traveling providing vehicle support for my husband on a bike ride and went to Mass in another state…and then got in my car to continue to provide vehicle support. So…I’ve done both.
 
We need to remember that we must make a distinction between what “I” do and what the Church requries. Its great that so many here would never take a vacation where they could not attend Mass. However, the Church imposes no such obligation. An individual who takes a vacation and is not reasonably near a Mass can be dispensed from the obligation. Why are posters contanstly trying to impose burdens on others that the Church does not impose?
Please do not misunderstand my position … I actually do understand that there are conditions where it may not be possible to get to a Mass - I have written about a medical missionary trip I made several years ago to Guatemala … I know there are Churches there … but I was the only Catholic traveling in our group - we went to a remote location, I was not traveling independently but with a group - the iteneary was not mine and the country was unfamiliar … I spoke with my parish priest about what I might do on the two Sundays I was in country if unable to get to Mass … and had I not been able to get to a Mass [thankfully - I was able to make that happen - though not easily] and would have followed his advice … and having sought that advice - I could have saved myself the effort …

However, for me [and I would hope every Christian - especially Catholics] - spending time hearing the Word Proclaimed and receiving the Eucharist is foundational to who I am … the Eucharist, Sunday Worship and the Faith Community is central - it is not something that is easily or thoughtlessly relagated to the optional …

This discussion - from my point of view - was to challenge the OP to consider priorities … obviously the desire to go camping and miss Mass bothered them at some level - or they would not have posted the question … and it seemed like they wanted to hear - “Oh don’t worry going camping can be a spiritual experience - if its not possible then you are excused” … well - perhaps [on the pharisaical level] that is true … but perhaps it is a temptation - perhaps their moties are more self indulgent - self centered rather the Christ centered - and they need to hear the POV that places the Eucharistic Celebration in its proper context … 🤷 … Hard to tell …
 
However, for me [and I would hope every Christian - especially Catholics] - spending time hearing the Word Proclaimed and receiving the Eucharist is foundational to who I am … the Eucharist, Sunday Worship and the Faith Community is central - it is not something that is easily or thoughtlessly relagated to the optional …
So if someone comes to a different conclusion than you they are “easily and thoughtlessly” relagating it to the optional?
perhaps their moties are more self indulgent - self centered rather the Christ centered - and they need to hear the POV that places the Eucharistic Celebration in its proper context … 🤷 … Hard to tell …
So these posters are just coming to the rescue of the OP’s soul by sidestepping actual Church canons on the matter? Sorry but this thread is simply individuals trying to impose their own personal spirituality upon another without foundation in Church law. Its possible that two people, in good conscience, can come to different conclusions on the same issue.

Like I said, I raised this question with a visiting bishop who has a JCL. I asked, “If someone goes camping and they’re not knowingly near a Mass, can their pastor dispense them?” He didn’t even bat an eye, “Absolutely.” The successor of the Apostles didn’t feel any need to stress anything else.
 
So these posters are just coming to the rescue of the OP’s soul by sidestepping actual Church canons on the matter?
Can. 1248 §1 The obligation of assisting at Mass is satisfied wherever Mass is celebrated in a catholic rite either on a holyday itself or on the evening of the previous day.
§2 If it is impossible to assist at a eucharistic celebration, either because no sacred minister is available or for some other grave reason, the faithful are strongly recommended to take part in a liturgy of the Word, if there be such in the parish church or some other sacred place, which is celebrated in accordance with the provisions laid down by the diocesan Bishop; or to spend an appropriate time in prayer, whether personally or as a family or, as occasion presents, in a group of families.
 
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