Missing mass with relatives in town?

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Thanks for the replies all! No, my family is not Catholic. I just read on these threads all the time that a work shift or some such reason is valid for missing mass, and yet this work, which would have been impossible to do on ANY other occasion, is not valid. I don’t get that at all. The guys were literally working during EVERY single mass, even Saturday’s vigil, after which we had to drive across town to meet the rest of the family who we have not seen for almost 3 months. My husband and I didn’t get the locks on the front door until after 11 pm last night after working since 6:45 am (we almost had to just go to bed with no locks on the front door!). I’m just wondering where during all this with 2 babies and family in town we were supposed to find the time. As I type this my husband is outside STILL working on planting trees and I’m getting ready to give the kids a bath.

Are we supposed to kill ourselves to get to mass?
People who are employed by a company do not always have the CHOICE about what shifts they work. But you had a CHOICE to make Mass a priority. Who was determining this work schedule? Not a supervisor, but you. One hour away from the house was not going to make all of your efforts disappear.

Escalating this into “Are we supposed to kill ourselves” is using inflammatory rhetoric, but yes, in a way, we are supposed to “kill ourselves.” After all, Jesus died for us, it’s the least we can do, to honor Him once a week for AN HOUR.
 
I’m going to once again put myself on the line here, and say the Lord understands. thou shall keep holy the Lords say, is not say go to Mass and worship, yous feel bad for missing, but then again you had family over to help, did you dishonor the Lord, the Lord knows your heart and that your not in the habbit of missing Mass. And in a way I do believe it would of been rude to take off and go to Mass when your family came to help yous. Go to confessoin and explain it to the Priest. So don’t beat yourselfs up over it. I hope yous sell your home quickly.
Intentionally sinning with the intention of confession afterwards is called “presumption.” You should not advise Catholics to do this with a sanguine heart. It is sin.
 
This is not the first time you have posted about missing mass because family was in town and you thought it would be OK to miss, or it would inconvenience you to go to Mass.

The point is, you did not have to “kill” yourself to get to Mass you simply had to make it a priority. For whatever reason you do not want to make it a priority over family lunches, family visits, and home improvement projects.

You simply plan this into your weekend and other projects ahead of time.

Don’t expect people here to support you in that prioritization.
Excuse me, but the time you are referring to was in December on the feast of the Immaculate Conception. Yes I was with family, with my infant son and a toddler, at a rented house in an unfamiliar town. If you remember correctly, I STILL left my infant breastfeeding son for the first time to drive around in the dark in a strange city to make it to mass, so please don’t tell me that I do not make mass a priority.
 
My husband and I missed mass this weekend. The reason: we are trying to get our house ready to put on the market in 2 weeks and my mom and her husband drove in from out of town to help us with some things hubby cannot do on his own. They worked on the house all day on Saturday until evening and started again on Sunday at 6:45 am. They didn’t even finish putting the front door on the house by 8:30 last night before they had to leave to drive back to their town 3 hours away. They won’t be able to come back and help us again before we put the house on the market. I stayed home and did things around the house as well as taking care of our 2 kids who are both under 3, so taking them to church by myself is almost impossible. Is this a valid reason for missing for both of us?
Hi LaSainte, :angel1:God bless you, that sounds like quite a weekend, with little children to watch and care for, and trying to do so much in a short amount of time!

I’m sure you’re more conscientious that I am, and applaud you for your very honest question. You were obviously very cognizant of other people’s sacrificing time and energy for you. I just want to say up front that it’s very good to ask these questions. I personally need to make sure I always plan things around the Mass, instead of exhausting myself with so many of my own activities that I leave no time for the most important time of the week, the Mass.

So, this is just my opinion here, and very kindly meant. I think these kinds of situations come up all the time and you’re not alone.

I personally have at times made such exhausting plans and then felt terrible that I didn’t put Mass first, so I show up at Mass completely exhausted sometimes. 😊

We really do have to think of telling people that while we know they’re sacrificing for us for these kinds of plans, that we are Catholic and we make time for Mass. I’m certainly not perfect, but I’ve learned to forewarn myself by avoiding those weekend marathon plans because they easily can snowball:snowing: into nearly missing Mass or rushing off to Mass as if to "fit it in " giving it the lowest priority of all as if it were an inconvenience.

Obviously you were working very hard around the house, and then the consequence of that was that you couldn’t attend Mass and take the children by yourself. In a perfect world, everyone who is Catholic in this situation would announce, “Time to put away the hammers and get ready to leave for the church.” Two hours lost may indeed hurt your house selling plans, but Mass takes precedence.

It sounds as if the priority here, from the first planning mode, was, understandably selling the house in a very challenging time frame, asking for help, and getting everything in place.:christmastree1: Then the house cleaning itself was tiring and taking young children alone to Mass seemed impossible. Now there are times when just being a mother exhausts us to the point of real illness, or life suddenly throws us a real curve, a emergency circumstance that is unavoidable. That is perfectly understandable.

What I’m speaking of here is how we all sometimes fail to plan ahead when one of these marathon work parties (or guest’s arrivals, weekend events, etc. ) is certain to challenge our Mass attendance. I know I have to stop myself and put that big circle around the Sat. Vigil or Sunday Mass, and only then make other plans.

Often amid all the chaos, if we could plan ahead and tell our guests/family, visitors that of course we will take the time for Mass and be back to participate with them later (whether that’s working on a house or something else) we are able to stop ourselves from the very exhaustion we’re creating. Mass is our sacred obligation and also our joy.

Illness, :crutches:caring for children, for family who are ill, or the elderly who cannot be left alone, we all know those and other emergency situations which do allow us to stay home from Mass. But I’ve seen many people who plan elaborate family occasions or work parties on weekends, then leave no time at all for either a Saturday vigil Mass or Sunday morning. We exhaust ourselves with these weekend plans, and are then overwhelmed when we feel we have to give one hundred percent to everything but the Mass. :highprayer:

I believe most of us have gone through this. We can’t judge others, only ourselves, and I think your posting this is a reminder to me to always plan my activities AROUND THE MASS, and not the other way around. May God bless you for reminding us all not to tire ourselves out but instead, plan ahead to make sure that the Mass remains the center of our life.

Many blessings to you and your family,
Kathryn Ann:heaven::hug1:
 
This is baloney. This situation was no different than having to work a job on a Sunday. My house needs to be on the market in 2 weeks. No, my husband wasn’t getting paid to break his back all day in the 100 degree sun, but it HAD to be done, and we STILL almost went to bed with no front door. Yes, EVERY HOUR yesterday was spent doing work that could. E done at NO OTHER TIME, as my family could only be in town to help for 2 days. My husband worked for 17 hours yesterday. Believe me, we would have loved, LOVED to be able to pay someone to come over and plant trees, paint walls, replace doors, tear down sheds, drive to the dump and pour concrete so that we could go to mass as a family. That would have been wonderful. We would have been thrilled to do it. This kind of legalism is just nuts.
 
Hi LaSainte, :angel1:God bless you, that sounds like quite a weekend, with little children to watch and care for, and trying to do so much in a short amount of time!

I’m sure you’re more conscientious that I am, and applaud you for your very honest question. You were obviously very cognizant of other people’s sacrificing time and energy for you. I just want to say up front that it’s very good to ask these questions. I personally need to make sure I always plan things around the Mass, instead of exhausting myself with so many of my own activities that I leave no time for the most important time of the week, the Mass.

So, this is just my opinion here, and very kindly meant. I think these kinds of situations come up all the time and you’re not alone.

I personally have at times made such exhausting plans and then felt terrible that I didn’t put Mass first, so I show up at Mass completely exhausted sometimes. 😊

We really do have to think of telling people that while we know they’re sacrificing for us for these kinds of plans, that we are Catholic and we make time for Mass. I’m certainly not perfect, but I’ve learned to forewarn myself by avoiding those weekend marathon plans because they easily can snowball:snowing: into nearly missing Mass or rushing off to Mass as if to "fit it in " giving it the lowest priority of all as if it were an inconvenience.

Obviously you were working very hard around the house, and then the consequence of that was that you couldn’t attend Mass and take the children by yourself. In a perfect world, everyone who is Catholic in this situation would announce, “Time to put away the hammers and get ready to leave for the church.” Two hours lost may indeed hurt your house selling plans, but Mass takes precedence.

It sounds as if the priority here, from the first planning mode, was, understandably selling the house in a very challenging time frame, asking for help, and getting everything in place.:christmastree1: Then the house cleaning itself was tiring and taking young children alone to Mass seemed impossible. Now there are times when just being a mother exhausts us to the point of real illness, or life suddenly throws us a real curve, a emergency circumstance that is unavoidable. That is perfectly understandable.

What I’m speaking of here is how we all sometimes fail to plan ahead when one of these marathon work parties (or guest’s arrivals, weekend events, etc. ) is certain to challenge our Mass attendance. I know I have to stop myself and put that big circle around the Sat. Vigil or Sunday Mass, and only then make other plans.

Often amid all the chaos, if we could plan ahead and tell our guests/family, visitors that of course we will take the time for Mass and be back to participate with them later (whether that’s working on a house or something else) we are able to stop ourselves from the very exhaustion we’re creating. Mass is our sacred obligation and also our joy.

Illness, :crutches:caring for children, for family who are ill, or the elderly who cannot be left alone, we all know those and other emergency situations which do allow us to stay home from Mass. But I’ve seen many people who plan elaborate family occasions or work parties on weekends, then leave no time at all for either a Saturday vigil Mass or Sunday morning. We exhaust ourselves with these weekend plans, and are then overwhelmed when we feel we have to give one hundred percent to everything but the Mass. :highprayer:

I believe most of us have gone through this. We can’t judge others, only ourselves, and I think your posting this is a reminder to me to always plan my activities AROUND THE MASS, and not the other way around. May God bless you for reminding us all not to tire ourselves out but instead, plan ahead to make sure that the Mass remains the center of our life.

Many blessings to you and your family,
Kathryn Ann:heaven::hug1:
Thank you for the kind words. Ordinarily, I do make my plans around the mass. Even when I am visiting family out of town and they have other plans I end up inconveniencing everyone else to the point where it is frankly embarrassing and inconsiderate so that I can go to mass. I know that I am dispensed because I was caring for my young children on top of everything else. Last time I tried to take them both alone, my 2 year old wandered off in church and I had to put my 6 month old on the floor by the font in his carrier and frantically search for him. Not again. My main question was about my husband, who spent all weekend working with my stepfather on things he just couldn’t do alone, like using my stepfather’s truck to haul trash to the dump, hanging doors, etc. My stepdad could ONLY be here this weekend. We would have rather been doing anything else. Mass would have been like a vacation in Tahiti.
 
This is baloney. This situation was no different than having to work a job on a Sunday. My house needs to be on the market in 2 weeks. No, my husband wasn’t getting paid to break his back all day in the 100 degree sun, but it HAD to be done, and we STILL almost went to bed with no front door. Yes, EVERY HOUR yesterday was spent doing work that could. E done at NO OTHER TIME, as my family could only be in town to help for 2 days. My husband worked for 17 hours yesterday. Believe me, we would have loved, LOVED to be able to pay someone to come over and plant trees, paint walls, replace doors, tear down sheds, drive to the dump and pour concrete so that we could go to mass as a family. That would have been wonderful. We would have been thrilled to do it. This kind of legalism is just nuts.
Why did you post here?

Insulting those who gave opinions, opinions that you invited,
could not have been your motivation, so why did you post?
and why the insults?

Go made the Sabbath a PRIORITY for eveyone and
He does not call it legalism. Why so you?
 
La Sainte,in all kindness,I have comment on your latest response.You posted in order to receive feedback re your decision to not attend Mass.Are you sincerely interested in getting the correct answer according to Church doctrine,or only support in your decision?We are called to act charitably towards each other,I believe these responses,with the exception of a few, were made in this spirit. Believe me,I for one spent many years,living my life,fitting God into the equation when it suited me,thankfully,I now work my life aroundGod,putting Him first.it is the only way to live,God Bless,🙂
 
La Sainte,in all kindness,I have comment on your latest response.You posted in order to receive feedback re your decision to not attend Mass.Are you sincerely interested in getting the correct answer according to Church doctrine,or only support in your decision?We are called to act charitably towards each other,I believe these responses,with the exception of a few, were made in this spirit. Believe me,I for one spent many years,living my life,fitting God into the equation when it suited me,thankfully,I now work my life aroundGod,putting Him first.it is the only way to live,God Bless,🙂
and God bless you. Thank you.
 
This is baloney. This situation was no different than having to work a job on a Sunday. My house needs to be on the market in 2 weeks. No, my husband wasn’t getting paid to break his back all day in the 100 degree sun, but it HAD to be done, and we STILL almost went to bed with no front door. Yes, EVERY HOUR yesterday was spent doing work that could. E done at NO OTHER TIME, as my family could only be in town to help for 2 days. My husband worked for 17 hours yesterday. Believe me, we would have loved, LOVED to be able to pay someone to come over and plant trees, paint walls, replace doors, tear down sheds, drive to the dump and pour concrete so that we could go to mass as a family. That would have been wonderful. We would have been thrilled to do it. This kind of legalism is just nuts.
Is it a convenience or a need to put the house on the market in two weeks? Is it a convenience or a need to do all the work before putting the house on the market? Is it about the possibility of making some extra money in the sale or between selling or not selling at all? These are the considerations that should be made before choosing to skip Mass, they help understand if we are bound by a need or if we choose Mammon over God. Asking questions on CAF after fact and expecting a specific answer is just a rationalization to feel good about the choice that has already being implemented. I cannot tell you if you did wrong in missing Mass it is not my place to tell you, but for sure I can tell you that this thread here on CAF is wrong. Just go and talk to your confessor about it, it will help you to be more comfortable with your future decisions.
 
This is baloney. This situation was no different than having to work a job on a Sunday. My house needs to be on the market in 2 weeks. No, my husband wasn’t getting paid to break his back all day in the 100 degree sun, but it HAD to be done, and we STILL almost went to bed with no front door. Yes, EVERY HOUR yesterday was spent doing work that could. E done at NO OTHER TIME, as my family could only be in town to help for 2 days. My husband worked for 17 hours yesterday. Believe me, we would have loved, LOVED to be able to pay someone to come over and plant trees, paint walls, replace doors, tear down sheds, drive to the dump and pour concrete so that we could go to mass as a family. That would have been wonderful. We would have been thrilled to do it. This kind of legalism is just nuts.
Your obligation is not “baloney,” nor is it legalism or “nuts.” What do you expect us to tell you? That it’s all good, that you are of course excused from Mass because you have some schedule that you are committed to. Whatever the reason your house has to be put on the market in 2 weeks, that still does not automatically exclude you from your obligation. Your helpers can’t come any other time, but still - that doesn’t exclude you from that obligation.

It is one hour, LaSainte. Maybe 2 hours if you count getting ready and driving to and from the church. I think your protestations argue that you know you had your priorities in the wrong place.
 
This is baloney. This situation was no different than having to work a job on a Sunday. My house needs to be on the market in 2 weeks. No, my husband wasn’t getting paid to break his back all day in the 100 degree sun, but it HAD to be done, and we STILL almost went to bed with no front door. Yes, EVERY HOUR yesterday was spent doing work that could. E done at NO OTHER TIME, as my family could only be in town to help for 2 days. My husband worked for 17 hours yesterday. Believe me, we would have loved, LOVED to be able to pay someone to come over and plant trees, paint walls, replace doors, tear down sheds, drive to the dump and pour concrete so that we could go to mass as a family. That would have been wonderful. We would have been thrilled to do it. This kind of legalism is just nuts.
Again I ask, what was your mother doing while your husband was working? You said you were watching the children, but couldn’t your mom have at least watched the children or go with you to mass to watch the children so at least YOU could have made mass?

I agree with a few of the other posters, why did you post your situation on here if you didn’t want to hear the actual responses? It seems to me you were only looking for validation for you missing mass and had already decided you were going to dismiss any comments that didn’t support your decision that you had a valid reason for missing mass this weekend.

Perhaps it was unavoidable for your husband to miss mass, but couldn’t you have found a way to get there yourself?
 
Is it a convenience or a need to put the house on the market in two weeks? Is it a convenience or a need to do all the work before putting the house on the market? Is it about the possibility of making some extra money in the sale or between selling or not selling at all? These are the considerations that should be made before choosing to skip Mass, they help understand if we are bound by a need or if we choose Mammon over God. Asking questions on CAF after fact and expecting a specific answer is just a rationalization to feel good about the choice that has already being implemented. I cannot tell you if you did wrong in missing Mass it is not my place to tell you, but for sure I can tell you that this thread here on CAF is wrong. Just go and talk to your confessor about it, it will help you to be more comfortable with your future decisions.
It is a need to get the house on the market, yes. The summer is here and if we don’t get it on the market now it probably won’t sell for a year. It is a need as well to have all this work done. Houses around here are selling for much less than what they were bought for. We have gone thousands in debt just to get the house ready and we need to sell it for much more than houses around here are going for just to break even. Believe me, we are not talking about MAKING any money here. We are just trying not to take a bath on it.

For everyone’s information, I was primarily looking for a relevant quote from the catechism or some other RELEVANT source, not just a bunch of knee-jerk emotional responses from people who just assume we were trying to slip one past God or get away wih something this weekend.

I have heard time and again how being scheduled to work a shift flipping burgers is a valid excuse, but somehow this, which is a real necessity for my family and one that could not be avoided, is not. Please explain the logic here.
 
I am tired of your nasty attitude when our answers do not support your own rationalizations.
 
I have heard time and again how being scheduled to work a shift flipping burgers is a valid excuse, but somehow this, which is a real necessity for my family and one that could not be avoided, is not. Please explain the logic here.
Because you chose to schedule the weekend the way you did. When someone else is doing the scheduling for a job, it is a different situation.
 
It is a need to get the house on the market, yes. The summer is here and if we don’t get it on the market now it probably won’t sell for a year. It is a need as well to have all this work done. Houses around here are selling for much less than what they were bought for. We have gone thousands in debt just to get the house ready and we need to sell it for much more than houses around here are going for just to break even. Believe me, we are not talking about MAKING any money here. We are just trying not to take a bath on it.

For everyone’s information, I was primarily looking for a relevant quote from the catechism or some other RELEVANT source, not just a bunch of knee-jerk emotional responses from people who just assume we were trying to slip one past God or get away wih something this weekend.

Hugely insulting to other posters - and you know it.

I have heard time and again how being scheduled to work a shift flipping burgers is a valid excuse, **Have been Catholic for 66 yrs and have never heard of that - except from you in this thread. (Ever.) ** but somehow this, which is a real necessity for my family and one that could not be avoided, is not. Please explain the logic here.
 
Because you chose to schedule the weekend the way you did. When someone else is doing the scheduling for a job, it is a different situation.
Is it really a “choice” when one has no other options? I guess we could have just slept without a front door and let the mosquitoes eat the children alive? I’m tying to think of how I could have scheduled this weekend differently and am not seeing any options.
 
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catharina:
Really? You have never heard of one’s job being a valid reason for missing Sunday Mass? Ok…
 
The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor. Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin. (CCC. 2180 and 2181)

Since you seem to be so angry with those of us that are responding that you could have done more to get to mass this past weekend, perhaps the best thing to do now is to talk to your own priest and explain the situation and ask for dispensation if you truly consider your reasons for missing mass to be valid.
 
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