Misunderstanding Veganism

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spencelo said:
I’m glad you recognize the cruelty inherent in factory farming. In the case of small farms, where animals are still raised to be killed, I still have a problem: killing them deprives them of years of future pleasant experiences, which outweigh any human interests gained (if any) in a few tasty meals. I explain in more detail here: animalblawg.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/whats-wrong-with-happy-meat/
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What years of future healthy existence would they have if they were not bred at all since they would not be needed for food?:confused::confused::confused:

The fact that healthy livestock exist at all is because they exist for food.

If you want livestock to have ANY years of happy existence then they need to be bred for food.

Also by your argument about future happy existence you should be against abortion.

Are you therefore against abortion, or do you not have a consistent ethic?🤷
 
spencelo said:
I hope other Catholics will read it and seriously consider going vegan, even if only to boycott factory farming.
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Or maybe they could support their local beef, pig, or chicken farmer.

So… that pesky abortion question

For it or agin’ it?

I’d like to know.👍
 
triumphguy said:
What years of future healthy existence would they have if they were not bred at all since they would not be needed for food?:confused::confused::confused:

The fact that healthy livestock exist at all is because they exist for food.
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Then they shouldn’t be bred into existence, just like the humans in my breeding program hypothetical.
 
spencelo said:
Then they shouldn’t be bred into existence, just like the humans in my breeding program hypothetical.
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So you are not against suffering, you are actually against animals existing at all.

So: abortion. For or against?

Are human babies a stain on the earth. Are there too many? Do the unborn hamper our freedom? Do they take away our choice. Do they deserve to die?
 
triumphguy said:
So you are not against suffering, you are actually against animals existing at all.
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Untrue. I was talking about raising happy animals for food – I believe it would be wrong to kill them. If you bring a dependent, vulnerable creature into existence, then you have duties to him or her, which include not harming the creature unnecessarily. So either you bring the creature into existence and don’t kill it, or you don’t bring it into existence at all.
 
spencelo said:
Untrue. I was talking about raising happy animals for food – I believe it would be wrong to kill them. If you bring a dependent, vulnerable creature into existence, then you have duties to him or her, which include not harming the creature unnecessarily. So either you bring the creature into existence and don’t kill it, or you don’t bring it into existence at all.
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Or you believe that humanely butchering it for meat is not harming it unnecessarily. But is the natural end of the livestock animal.

So… abortion.

Are you are pro-abortion?
 
spencelo said:
Not preaching - just trying to engage you in meaningful dialogue on the thread topic. Will you stop buying animal products produced by factory farms? Again, i refer you to a ***Catholic ***perspective on this: catholicmoraltheology.com/are-we-all-michael-vick-our-addiction-to-animal-cruelty-a-call-to-conversion/
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It’s not dialogue when you don’t listen, and when you refuse to answer questions about the consistency of your arguments.

Do you only defend animal life, or do you believe the lives of the unborn are valuable too?
 
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