Mitt Romney Just Hammered Obama On Libya In A Big, Wide-Ranging Foreign Policy Speech

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KP3243 said:
Father Mitch went deeper and has said if your vote leads to the abortion canidate being elected because you didn’t vote for the pro choice guy, you are getting into an area you might not want to be in, I am just throwing this out there because of the severity of this vote on our souls.
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It’s only an “either-or” choice insofar as people continue to believe so.
 
smndtupidisaftr said:
Why is it our responsibility to end the war? How do you even accomplish it when there are no clearly defined “good guys” and we probably won’t have the support of the local people for going in there?
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Luke 12:48 From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more. This is why Americans try to end wars and end dictatorships. When everyone is bad you help install the guy who is going to keep peace the longest and pay him for not starting wars like we did with Egypt until this past spring.
 
The U.S will always be involved in political events in the Middle East, no matter who is in office. We depend on the Middle East for oil. We need to be independent from the Middle East for our energy. I’m still voting for Romney, we need to put our country back on track.
 
KP3243 said:
Luke 12:48 From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more. This is why Americans try to end wars and end dictatorships. When everyone is bad you help install the guy who is going to keep peace the longest and pay him for not starting wars like we did with Egypt until this past spring.
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It’s fine that you want peace to occur. Believe me, I want peace just as much as you do. What I’m saying is that US involvement is not likely to make anything significantly better and it will engender anti-US sentiments.
 
smndtupidisaftr said:
It’s only an “either-or” choice insofar as people continue to believe so./QUOTE

Are you suggesting to people it is ok to vote for someone who supports an intrinsic evil because the Church is quite clear about this and why Catholics cannot vote for anyone who supports abortion or euthanasia that has to be your first line of reasoning when voting. Please look at the Cathechism and the Church’s view on war and then read what is said about abortion.
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jsaldar said:
The U.S will always be involved in political events in the Middle East, no matter who is in office. We depend on the Middle East for oil. We need to be independent from the Middle East for our energy. I’m still voting for Romney, we need to put our country back on track.
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I worry about this mercantilist view of how the US should acquire oil. It’s what spurred the idea of colonialism. Does the US government view the entire Middle East as its colonies?
 
tabycat said:
How about the innocents that aready have been murdered? Don’t they count? :confused:
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Yes, which is why I’m not voting for Obama either. None of the candidates have enough non-interventionist rhetoric/record.
 
smndtupidisaftr said:
It’s fine that you want peace to occur. Believe me, I want peace just as much as you do. What I’m saying is that US involvement is not likely to make anything significantly better and it will engender anti-US sentiments.
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The problem is this should have been taken care of months ago and shouldn’t have escalated into a full out civil war in the first place. There is a power struggle and dare I say it a power shift going on in the world. Putin and the Chinese are very successfully shifting the power away from the US and jumping on the anti American sentiments in the Middle East can do this because the US has stepped back in world affairs.
 
KP3243 said:
The problem is this should have been taken care of months ago and shouldn’t have escalated into a full out civil war in the first place. There is a power struggle and dare I say it a power shift going on in the world. Putin and the Chinese are very successfully shifting the power away from the US and jumping on the anti American sentiments in the Middle East can do this because the US has stepped back in world affairs.
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Okay, let’s just ignore all of the second part because it’s just global infighting and is irrelevant. Back to the smaller (by geometric comparison) issue. What do you think the US should have done in Syria? Whom should the government have supported, and after that goal was achieved what role should it have had after in the country?
 
KP3243 said:
smndtupidisaftr;9870079:
Hey its your soul and you salvation that is at risk I am just telling you what the Church is saying and the depths of consequences a vote has on your soul.
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Are you seriously arguing that by not voting for Romney I am going to hell?
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smndtupidisaftr said:
Okay, let’s just ignore all of the second part because it’s just global infighting and is irrelevant. Back to the smaller (by geometric comparison) issue. What do you think the US should have done in Syria? Whom should the government have supported, and after that goal was achieved what role should it have had after in the country?
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Why scramble After Stupid Minds as your username, if I might ask?
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Why scramble After Stupid Minds as your username, if I might ask?
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That’s actually not what it is. It’s “Something stupid is after you”, but it’s spelled “dtupid” after a misspelling a friend of mine maid one day talking to me online.
 
That is not the title of the article
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Bishop Gracida in his voting guide says
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Bishop Gracida–bishop of Corpus Christi from 1993-1997–was likely crossing a line when he said that a catholic must vote for the lesser of two evils who can win. He basically said we have to vote for GWB. Look where that got us!

Bishop Lori said we can’t vote for a candidate who supports an intrinsic evil. Well, I can think of three intrinsic evils Romney supports: abortion (rape and incest), contraception and arming the rebels of Syria.

The point is there is no official church policy on how to handle Romney vs. Obama vs. pro-life third party candidate.
 
Vouthon said:
I agree naturally with the Holy Father. Romney’s foreign policy aims in Syria are at odds with Catholic teaching. I believe that this is important to remember if one is going to vote for him.
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As long as one remembers that the Holy Father has said the decision to wage war or support war is a prudential judgment and catholics can disagree with him on this in good conscience.
 
smndtupidisaftr said:
KP3243;9870105:
Are you seriously arguing that by not voting for Romney I am going to hell?
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I don’t know that but the Church has said we have to take into consideration that our vote may cause a pro abortion canidate to get elected.

What if one leading candidate is anti-abortion except in the cases of rape or incest, another leading candidate is completely pro-abortion, and a trailing candidate, not likely to win, is completely anti-abortion. Would I be obliged to vote for the candidate not likely to win?

In such a case, the Catholic voter may clearly choose to vote for the candidate not likely to win. In addition, the Catholic voter may assess that voting for that candidate might only benefit the completely pro-abortion candidate, and, precisely for the purpose of curtailing the evil of abortion, decide to vote for the leading candidate that is anti-abortion but not perfectly so. This decision would be in keeping with the words of the Pope quoted in question 8 above.

Here is the rest of the article
ewtn.com/vote/brief_catechism.htm

I am just putting everything out there.
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