Mitt Romney Presidential Campaign

[djeter]

One opinion I heard…if Obama gets over 50%, say 52/3/4% in the polls then when the election occurs, he will squeak by. But if he is still under 50% – that is 47/8/9, which you see now in so many of these polls, when the election occurs those undecideds will break to Romney and he will be the next President.

Made sense to me.

dj

 

[flyinghouse]

I really wish you guys would stop feeding the trolls. This discussion was pretty much dead before it started.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Democrats don’t believe the Rasmussen numbers any more than the Republicans believe the numbers that came out of PPP polling just after the event.

So the “real” reason could simply be that you can’t believe the numbers.

See: huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/23/akin-mccaskill-missouri-poll_n_1824907.html

Polling expert for the New York Times Nate Silver found that rasmussen has a Republican lean of 1.3. PPP on average leans democrat 3.1

fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/calculating-house-effects-of-polling-firms/#more-31415

 

[CrazyCarolus]

Shouldn’t both parties believe that adults should have some form of I.D … Isnt it only like 10 or 20 bucks? By the way, don’t think I’m republican, I dislike both.

 

[_Abyssinia]

ALERT!!! A bit of the REAL WORLD:

**“Voter ID, which is going to allow Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania. Done!” [Applause]

• Pa. House Republican Leader Mike Turzai speaks on June 23, 2012**

youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8

Perhaps he said that because photo ID stops a lot of voter fraud and that will give Romney a higher chance of winning

 

[bellasbane]

Perhaps he said that because photo ID stops a lot of voter fraud and that will give Romney a higher chance of winning

That requires evidence that voter fraud exists and is rampant in PA and an ID, which only serves to prevent the impersonation of a REGISTERED voter, is the solution.

None of that is true in PA.

 

[CrazyCarolus]

That requires evidence that voter fraud exists and is rampant in PA and an ID, which only serves to prevent the impersonation of a REGISTERED voter, is the solution.

None of that is true in PA.

At the end of the day… Shouldn’t they have an I.D. Just for the sake of a form of identification in daily matters? I can see how it would come in handy in more way than one.

 

[bellasbane]

bellasbane,

If the Republicans in that state feel that the Democrats are funneling people to the voting booth who are not legal residents of the state, or allowing people to vote in different precincts under different names, or some other voter fraud and they pass a voter ID law, they would have said exactly what that man said. So what he said doesn’t indicate that the Republicans intend on committing voter fraud, it may be just the opposite.

They weren’t able to produce any evidence for any of those accusations in court, but the judge ruled in their favor anyway.

 

[Teen4Christ]

Not a chance.

Romney is losing the black vote 94 to…0.

He won’t get the hispanic vote, nor the woman vote. He obviously won’t get the gay vote, or the union vote. He keeps making stupid comments and most Americans believe he’s out of touch. Ryan was a smart movie to energize the conservative base, but it will cost him some moderates.

 

[_Abyssinia]

That requires evidence that voter fraud exists and is rampant in PA and an ID, which only serves to prevent the impersonation of a REGISTERED voter, is the solution.

None of that is true in PA.

Al Schmidt, City Commissioner in PA released a report on 15 districts of 1687. Cases of non citizens, voter impersonation, double voting, people who were unregistered to vote were found to have voted

scribd.com/doc/100692297/City-of-Philadelphia-PA-Voting-Irregularities-Report-2012

 

[bellasbane]

At the end of the day… Shouldn’t they have an I.D. Just for the sake of a form identification in daily matters? I can see how it would come in handy in more way than one.

If someone wants to get an ID to facilitate their “daily matters” they are free to get one. That is not the same as the state mandating they have one to vote. Voting is the fundamental right and duty of every citizen in a democracy - infringing upon that right without just cause is a form of voter suppression.

 

[Tighty_Whitey]

You forgot the boost the GOP will get from all their voter suppression laws. It could tip the balance towards Romney in states like Ohio & Pennsylvania.

You should be ashamed of yourself as you are laying the ground work to provide an excuse as to why a failed president, a failed policy and a morally corrupt administration is going to have its head handed to it on election day. Furthermore you are ignoring the extreme harm that this adminstration has done to millions of Americans by ignoring this extremely poor economy. In short, stop snipping and if you can’t have an adult conversation abou these most serious issues, issues that our Bishops have implored us to be engaged in then I suugest you talk to a Priest.

Do you want the HHS mandate? Do you want Catholic hospitals to be sold? Do you want our church to have to fund abortions? Do you want immigration policy that is lawless?

Can you explain to me how a vote for Obama will lead to a reversal of the HHS mandate? Can you explain to me how our Church will not have to fund abortions in one casts their vote for Obama?
Can you explain to me how a vote for Obama means that our children won’t have to grow up in a country that has $26 Trillion in debt in 10 years?
Can you explain to me why Obama, who didn’t care about the economy during his first term, despite the specter of re-election, is going to care about it in his second?

While Christ dined with sinners, Christ also drove out the money changers from the temple and was none too polite about it.

Peace, g.

 

[qui_est_ce]

That requires evidence that voter fraud exists and is rampant in PA and an ID, which only serves to prevent the impersonation of a REGISTERED voter, is the solution.

None of that is true in PA.

Enacting a fair and constitutional law does not require evidence that rampant fraud exists.

That is like closing the barn door after the hose has already gone out.

 

[Orogeny]

If someone wants to get an ID to facilitate their “daily matters” they are free to get one. That is not the same as the state mandating they have one to vote. Voting is the fundamental right and duty of every citizen in a democracy - infringing upon that right without just cause is a form of voter suppression.

You mean like Ms. Applewhite? I’m sure someone convinced her that her rights to vote were being suppressed. Until she actually tried to get a photo id.

I suppose you should define what “infringinging” means. Registration? Residency requriements? How come those aren’t infringements?

Peace

Tim

 

[_Abyssinia]

Voter fraud can sway elections

In the '08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close; on the morning after the election, after 2.9 million people had voted, Coleman led Franken by 725 votes.

Franken and his Democratic allies dispatched an army of lawyers to challenge the results. After the first canvass, Coleman’s lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election.

During the controversy, a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons – all ineligible to vote – who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race.

Minnesota Majority took the information to prosecutors across the state, many of whom showed no interest in pursuing it. But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted – not just accused, but convicted – of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. “The numbers aren’t greater,” the authors say, “because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and ‘knowingly’ voted unlawfully.” The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong

Still, that’s a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn’t require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud

And that’s just the question of voting by felons. Minnesota Majority also found all sorts of other irregularities that cast further doubt on the Senate results

The election was particularly important because Franken’s victory gave Senate Democrats a 60th vote in favor of President Obama’s national health care proposal – the deciding vote to overcome a Republican filibuster. If Coleman had kept his seat, there would have been no 60th vote, and no Obamacare

townhall.com/columnists/byronyork/2012/08/13/when_1099_felons_vote_in_a_race_won_by_312_ballots/page/full

 

[qui_est_ce]

Not a chance.

Romney is losing the black vote 94 to…0.

He won’t get the hispanic vote, nor the woman vote. He obviously won’t get the gay vote, or the union vote. He keeps making stupid comments and most Americans believe he’s out of touch. Ryan was a smart movie to energize the conservative base, but it will cost him some moderates.

Your speculation. I know plenty of blacks and women who will vote Romney.

 

[qui_est_ce]

You should be ashamed of yourself as you are laying the ground work to provide an excuse as to why a failed president, a failed policy and a morally corrupt administration is going to have its head handed to it on election day. Furthermore you are ignoring the extreme harm that this adminstration has done to millions of Americans by ignoring this extremely poor economy. In short, stop snipping and if you can’t have an adult conversation abou these most serious issues, issues that our Bishops have implored us to be engaged in then I suugest you talk to a Priest.

Do you want the HHS mandate? Do you want Catholic hospitals to be sold? Do you want our church to have to fund abortions? Do you want immigration policy that is lawless?

Can you explain to me how a vote for Obama will lead to a reversal of the HHS mandate? Can you explain to me how our Church will not have to fund abortions in one casts their vote for Obama?
Can you explain to me how a vote for Obama means that our children won’t have to grow up in a country that has $26 Trillion in debt in 10 years?
Can you explain to me why Obama, who didn’t care about the economy during his first term, despite the specter of re-election, is going to care about it in his second?

While Christ dined with sinners, Christ also drove out the money changers from the temple and was none too polite about it.

Peace, g.

Well articulated.

 

[bellasbane]

Al Schmidt, City Commissioner in PA released a report on 15 districts of 1687. Cases of non citizens, voter impersonation, double voting, people who were unregistered to vote were found to have voted

scribd.com/doc/100692297/City-of-Philadelphia-PA-Voting-Irregularities-Report-2012

Read the report starting on page 14 - only 5 cases were identified that fit those criteria. Hardly enough to influence an election and no were near enough to justify disenfranchising thousands.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Not a chance.

Romney is losing the black vote 94 to…0.

He won’t get the hispanic vote, nor the woman vote. He obviously won’t get the gay vote, or the union vote. He keeps making stupid comments and most Americans believe he’s out of touch. Ryan was a smart movie to energize the conservative base, but it will cost him some moderates.

Are all these Black conservatives support Romney 0?

twitchy.com/2012/08/22/poll-shows-zero-percent-african-american-support-for-romney-black-conservatives-speak-up

And Latinos

twitchy.com/2012/08/22/black-conservatives-declaration-of-self-inspires-latinosforromney

There are many more

 

[wavejim]

Obama still stands a chance. While campaigning at a Navy yard in Florida this week a new report on the DoD was released. Look up the DoD MOVE act passed in 2009 following a poor voter turnout (2008) by our military men and women.

Looks like Obamas DoD is dragging its feet to help military members vote in 2012. Voter suppression? You decide.