Mitt Romney Presidential Campaign

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ishii said:
Still dodging the point, oldcelt. You said our laws reflect the sanctity of life. I demonstrated that they don’t with regard to abortion, and you have no answer to that. The question still stands - are you in favor of laws protecting the sanctity of life or not? Are you in favor of laws against rape? Or should “those who wish to engage in rape do so in line with their own conscience and beliefs” as you say?

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Speaking of one’s “own conscience,” here is an excellent homily about conscience (and the HHS mandate): youtube.com/watch?v=2PbTV2XgIqc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

(thanks Ishii! :tiphat: )
 
ishii said:
Conservatism wins, Meltzerboy. Drilling for more oil - lower energy prices wins. Or do you prefer hundreds of millions of dollars to failed green energy companies and veto of Keystone pipeline as an energy policy?
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Depends on how many more great whites you want lurking around the New England Atlantic coast and shutting down tourism. It’s Jaws for reals now!
 
Samuel63 said:
Is this the same Kennedy that routinely had a “waitress sandwich” during “recess.”
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Yeah, well, nothing he did changes Bork being what he is and no amount of Kennedy-bashing will change the fact of his bigotry and willingness to undermine the Constitution.
 
Oldcelt

A baby does not deserve to die regardless of who their FATHER is or the circumstances of their conception. If they are conceived as a result…that might just be God’s will…we don’t understand why God allows these things…buit the baby IS INNOCENT. DO NOT PUNISH the BABY for the FATHER"S CRIME.

And I dare you to tell Rebecca Kiessling, who was conceived after a rape…that she should have DIED (After all,. you said you support abortion for that).

You can NOT be Catholic and PRO CHOICE! Its as simple as that.
 
livingwordunity said:
I agree. I believe that those who support Obama are so hardened that even if Obama came out and said he is the Antichrist they would still support him, maybe even more since many of his supporters are militant atheists or are otherwise hostile toward traditional Christian doctrines and values.
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What “traditional Christian values” are we against exactly? Feeding the hungry, clothing the poor, kindness to strangers? What did Jesus say that we are against?
 
Julia_Mae said:
What “traditional Christian values” are we against exactly? Feeding the hungry, clothing the poor, kindness to strangers? What did Jesus say that we are against?
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The right to lfe and traditional marriage.

One does not fulfillvtheir obligation to help the poor and needy by voting for someone who promises to take other peoples money and do it for you.
 
Julia_Mae said:
Depends on how many more great whites you want lurking around the New England Atlantic coast and shutting down tourism. It’s Jaws for reals now!
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I heard about that - but no idea what connection that has to energy policy. 🤷

Ishii
 
Julia_Mae said:
Yeah, well, nothing he did changes Bork being what he is and no amount of Kennedy-bashing will change the fact of his bigotry and willingness to undermine the Constitution.
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If you are speaking of Bork, what part of the Constitution was he trying to undermine?
 
ishii said:
Doesn’t matter. If he chooses justices who don’t believe the constitution has a right to abortion then he is plenty right to life.
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If he gets elected, he’ll have 4 years to choose justices. Are we anticipating any retirements?
 
Julia_Mae said:
Yeah, well, nothing he did changes Bork being what he is and no amount of Kennedy-bashing will change the fact of his bigotry and willingness to undermine the Constitution.
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Please elaborate on Judge Robert Bork undermining the constitution. Throw in proof of his bigotry as well.
 
mary_bobo said:
Bay Buchanan is a senior advisor to Romney and that is good enough for me about the abortion issue. She is staunchly pro-life and I don’t think she would back someone who was not pro-life. Yes, he may have exceptions, but Paul Ryan doesn’t and both are ultimately better on that issue than Obama.
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And yet, regardless of personal belief, none will overturn Roe v Wade. Presidents do not have the authority to do so.
 
Julia_Mae said:
And yet, regardless of personal belief, none will overturn Roe v Wade. Presidents do not have the authority to do so.
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But judges he can elects can, and Romney would elect judges in line with his view of wanting to reverse roe vs wade. He will likely look at the record on decisions the judge has made on abortion. Obama would elect more pro abortion judges, which could back the reversal of roe v wade for decades
 
Julia_Mae said:
And yet, regardless of personal belief, none will overturn Roe v Wade. Presidents do not have the authority to do so.
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So? Do you think someone who supports unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand is morally fit to lead the country? Do you believe we should reject Church teaching that we CAN NOT vote for such a person? Can you find a single member of the Magestrium who has stated there are proportionate reasons that would allow a Catholic to vote for Obama?
 
_Abyssinia said:
But judges he can elects can, and Romney would elect judges in line with his view of wanting to reverse roe vs wade. He will likely look at the record on decisions the judge has made on abortion. Obama would elect more pro abortion judges, which could back the reversal of roe v wade for decades
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And the judges Reagan appointed could and the judges both Bushes appointed could…but they haven’t have they?
 
estesbob said:
So? Do you think someone who supports unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand is morally fit to lead the country? Do you believe we should reject Church teaching that we CAN NOT vote for such a person? Can you find a single member of the Magestrium who has stated there are proportionate reasons that would allow a Catholic to vote for Obama?
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And what about the moral fitness of a president who sends troops to war in Iraq or Vietnam when that war is not a just one? Or the moral fitness of a president who is involved in a political scandal such as Watergate or the Iran-Contra affair? Or that of a president who bombs innocent civilian populations in Japan? Or a president who has an affair in the Oval Office? When we begin to judge the moral fitness of presidents, I think we will find ourselves often pointing to something we consider immoral according to our own values. It might be better not to become the arbiter of another person’s moral values in the first place.
 
Julia_Mae said:
And yet, regardless of personal belief, none will overturn Roe v Wade. Presidents do not have the authority to do so.
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They can issue things like the Emancipation Proclamation that eventually led to the abolishment of slavery. They can appoint justices that actually READ the constitution instead of make things up that aren’t there.

They can also sign laws restricting abortion!
 
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