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The Religious orders, have the exemption.
FYI, the thread is about Romney’s Presidential Campaign, not Obama. There’s a thread for his campaign.
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FYI, the thread is about Romney’s Presidential Campaign, not Obama. There’s a thread for his campaign.
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SuperLuigi
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No it’s not. It’s about the fact that Obama, Biden and H. Clinton are willing to be a doormat for a guy who is lobbying China to quit borrowing us money!
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All good points, iloveangels. Don’t forget Obama energy policy: he gives hundreds of millions to “green” energy companies that fail . He does very little to increase the supply of energy in a way that would reduce prices. Gas is well over $4/gallon! High gas prices hurt the poor and working class and those struggling to make ends meet more than anyone else! Its like a regressive tax. In that way, Obama’s policies are anti-poor. Sounds strange to say that in light of the attitude of some Democrat catholic posters here who support Obama because they think in doing so they are fullfilling their duty to help the poor. I wonder what they think of the effect of high gas and energy prices and their effect on the poor and everyone else? How is appeasing your environment lobby base at the expense of the poor compassionate? I would like a Democrat catholic (or non) to explain. Energy - one more reason among many to vote against Obama.The list of things that make Obama unqualified is huge, and this is only one of them, Jim. You know that.
The ECONOMY Is #1. He hasn’t managed it. We still have over 8% unemployment.
Obamacare. And particularly since I’m in CATHOLIC ANSWERS FORUMS, this should be important. The Democratic party has ATTACKED the Catholic Church directly and viciously. This doesn’t mean anything to you?
Will it mean something to you when your parish priest starts having to pay fines and go without health insurance?
Do you really think that the orders you are affliated with are going to pay for abortion as its bundled into the insurance that they will be mandated to buy by the federal government? Or will they opt for the fines? I’m curious.
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JimR-OCDS
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Nope, it was correct not to agree to putting missiles in Poland, even conservative Pat Buchanan agrees with this and was highly critical, when Bush promised them missiles.
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iloveangels
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I believe you. They have played around with the equations they use in the last few years so the number looks lower than it is. That’s been well-documented.
About your priest having to pay a fine and not have health insurance? Not only is it a quote. It’s what we’re going to be facing in 2014, on the ground. Up close and personal.
Maybe. I think people are going to be shocked when things start to shut down. Or when they get asked to donate $$$$$$$ to keep things open the old-fashioned way. WE’ll find out how much people really care about helping others then, when the cash comes out of their pocket instead of the govt’s pocket, won’t we?
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Good point----
An incumbent for president re-election would make the EPA and the Department of Interior czars.
I’m not the first to say it, but people would regret it soon.
Could you imagine whats going to happen to all those old people living in downtown Chicago, Atlanta and St. Louis who can’t cool their homes in the summer because of high energy prices?
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You are basing that final paragraph on what? Has anyone proposed fines on the Church? Has anyone moved to revoke their tax free status? Have storm troopers come through smashing churches? Has anyone been accosted on the way to church?
The mere fact that the Church is able to freely oppose these laws shows that your scenario is not supported in reality. The mere fact that you and I can come here and freely express our views without fear of arrest or torture is another.
Need I go on.
The US political system is a struggle of ideas. If your ideas can gain the support of the majority of Americans, they will be tried.
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JOhn, get your head out of the clouds.
Obamacare passed into law. It’s being implemented today already in your doctor’s office and mine. It includes the insurance requirements that are mandatory or fines WILL be paid. People are required to buy insurance, and that insurance covers a list of “benefits” among which must be birth control, abortion and the morning-after pill.
Catch up.
And technically, according to the recent Supreme Court ruling, it’s not a fine. It’s a tax and it will be collected via the IRS. Anyone not complying will pay it or they will come and audit you.
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The so-called Olympics gaffe of Romney pales in comparison to Obama confiding to Medvedev - " I’ll have more flexibility after the election." Flexibility to do what? I am pretty sure that Romney is going to bring this up in the debates. I wonder how Obama is going to answer, especially without his telemprompter?
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I wasn’t trying to assess the morality of putting missiles in Poland, just the diminutive nature of democrat leaders.
Some of them think they could have talked Hitler out of WWII.
I’m all for not instigating Russia, so don’t get me wrong there, but I feel much safer with realists in office than idealists.
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Which has nothing to do with Romney’s reckless statements about Obama not agreeing to put missiles in Poland.
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I didn’t think Romney had a gaffe. In fact, there were numerous security issues—from the mayor of London getting stuck on a pole to intruders marching with athletes in the opening ceremony.
Could you imagine the press coverage and the posts on here if Romney said all was fine and something bad did happen…
He just can’t win on that, can he!
Oh, it was Mendy he made the promise to? Well, I always figured Vladmir was pulling the strings anyways.
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Somebody doesn’t want to talk about what the Democrats have done to Catholics.
Jim, do you think that the OCD will buy the mandated insurance for its members? You know the insurance that covers abortion.
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Yes it did. That’s why I commented on it.
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JimR-OCDS
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Romney was not involved with British security at the London Olympics, he had no clue what they were doing for security and to tell them on their own turf that they’re doing a lousy job while your a guest of their nation, is the epitome of bad diplomatic skills.
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JimR-OCDS
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Your snide remark about democrats talking Hitler out of WWII, has nothing to do with the real issue being presented here.
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oldcelt
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As does Romneycare in MA.
As for your other comments, ad hominems are a weak defense…I’m quite caught up, I just disagree with you.
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Of course Vladi is pulling the strings - I’m sure “Mendy” reports back to him. You are right on realists vs. idealists. The Democrats at their worst are naive idealists who think all they need to do is “talk” and engage in meaningful dialogue with our adversaries (while our adversaries grow stronger). The GOP at their worst are idealists who are sometimes too quick to think our adversaries can be dealt with by defeating them militarily and imposing democracy on them. Neither is a desirable foreign policy in my view. I think Scoop Jackson and Ronald Reagan are good examples of foreign policy realists.
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The HHS mandate requires virtually all employers to buy insurance that covers abortion, birth control and reproductive services of various kinds including the morning-after pill.
The ONLY religious exemptions are very clearly laid out:
Most religious orders will not qualify for exemption if they have any outreach activity or they run any sort of school, hospital, food bank, public kitchen, college etc. etc. They will all effectively be cloistered (or quarantined, depending on how you think about it.). Religious apostolates will be a thing of the past.
Taxes levied on corporate, aka group violations are currently set at $100/day per individual for non-compliance. This means that a group of poeple in a convent buying their insurance together, who opt not to buy government mandated coverage will pay $100/day/individual tax.
Taxes levied for private individuals, not belonging to any group, will be lower. However, members of religious orders will not qualify for these if they have been buying their insurance together in the past, which they have been doing.
THE DEMOCRATS DID THIS TO YOU. I FIND IT STUNNING THAT IT DOESN’T SEEM TO BOTHER ANYONE IN HERE.
The ONLY religious exemptions are very clearly laid out:
- The organization must hold a nonprofit tax status,
- have as its primary focus the “inculcation of religious values” (i.e., teaching or preaching doctrine),
- employ individuals who share its core religious beliefs, and
- primarily serve co-religionists or people who share the same beliefs.
Most religious orders will not qualify for exemption if they have any outreach activity or they run any sort of school, hospital, food bank, public kitchen, college etc. etc. They will all effectively be cloistered (or quarantined, depending on how you think about it.). Religious apostolates will be a thing of the past.
Taxes levied on corporate, aka group violations are currently set at $100/day per individual for non-compliance. This means that a group of poeple in a convent buying their insurance together, who opt not to buy government mandated coverage will pay $100/day/individual tax.
Taxes levied for private individuals, not belonging to any group, will be lower. However, members of religious orders will not qualify for these if they have been buying their insurance together in the past, which they have been doing.
THE DEMOCRATS DID THIS TO YOU. I FIND IT STUNNING THAT IT DOESN’T SEEM TO BOTHER ANYONE IN HERE.
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