Mixing O.T with N.T is this wrong?

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I have been having a long conversation with my dad about the Bible. I am a new convert, he is baptist. well, at least I thought he was. he has been giving me his problems with the Catholic church, mainly we are too much like Judism. we mix the old test with the new test. I have tried to do my best at pointing out the our scriptual backing on these points. what I need is a straight forward refute to his claim of a new religion that formed in the 1st chapter of Romans. I know this is a whacky interputation. but he says, the jews are left out of this new religion. others from the forums here have said he is using a dispensationalist point of view?? please any help would make my day.

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YBIC
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I have been having a long conversation with my dad about the Bible. I am a new convert, he is baptist. well, at least I thought he was. he has been giving me his problems with the Catholic church, mainly we are too much like Judism. we mix the old test with the new test. I have tried to do my best at pointing out the our scriptual backing on these points. what I need is a straight forward refute to his claim of a new religion that formed in the 1st chapter of Romans. I know this is a whacky interputation. but he says, the jews are left out of this new religion. others from the forums here have said he is using a dispensationalist point of view?? please any help would make my day.

Thank you
YBIC
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First off give thanks to the Lord of glory and to the father and to the Holy spirit!!
The oldtesatment and the new testament are distinctions of the two covenants. The old testament is mainly of the laws at which God set up through Moses. The New testament is a switch between the cannical laws of Moses but to the everlasting convenent with Gods son.
Once you read the transfiguration of the Glory of Jesus you have one of the disciples exclaim: It is good that we are here shall we give one tennant to Eliziah and to moses and to you? Then a cloud came and fear struck the discples and the voice in the cloud said this is my beloved son LIsten to him. Elizah and Moses both refer to the old testaments. Moses symbloizes the law and Elizah the prohets.
The father tells the disciples that the old convent which God set up in the laws are obsolte and that we should know look to Jesus his son who holds the everlasting and better convent his sacrfice upon the cross. The new law that christs gives is this: To love God with all your hear, you soul, and mind and to love your neigbor as your self. Love covers a multitude of sins.

To interwin the old and the new testaments as supposed to teaching and correction are fine but don’t look at the laws as means of our salvation. For salvation only comes through Jesus Christ which is the new and everlasting covenant.

When reading the old testament and the new testament by the Holy spirit revealing scripture to us tells the hidden teachings about Christ. Everything that was done in the OT was and is referenced back to Christ. Making the NT all the more exciting and all the more thankful for God and his Son.

Beginning with moses and even the prophets down to the holy of holies all reflected Christ and his mission as High priest.

Hopefully this helps. so Yes it is beneficial to read the OT and NT for growth for reproof and for correction. Glory to you oh Lord!!!
May God bless you and your family!!!
 
Um…Jesus was a Jew.

If there was no OT, there would be no NT.

There ya go.
 
Sacred scripture is a seamless garment from creation to today. Christ read from the sacred OT scrolls in the temple to introduce and teach the new covenant. He revealed the fulfillment of scripture in his perfect sacrifice of body and blood, to forever replace and infinitely improve upon animal and grain sacrifices, which were imperfect. Christ is more easily attacked if separated from the whole of scripture, as the OT, specifically the prophets, points always to Him. Tell dad that God is timeless and unchanging, and that He gave us scripture to use in its entirety, as it is truth and teaches unchanging truths. To exclude even one word, or to add even one word, is to profane and cause violence to the word of the Lord. It leads to errors in perception of God’s will for our lives. It places glasses upon the eyes of the reader, even when his or her vision is 20/20. Thus, the truth is distorted.

To base one’s faith upon only a particular portion of God’s revelation to man is to “cherry pick” how we love the Lord. He does no such thing with us.

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Christ’s peace be with you.
 
Laudatur Iesus Christus.

The following is the passage that seems most directly to indicate that the Old Testament must be used with the New to understand the Faith:

“Then every scribe who has been instructed in the kingdom of heaven is like the head of a household who brings from his storeroom both the new and the old.” (Matthew (NAB) 13:51.)

Spiritus Sapientiae nobiscum.

John Hiner
 
st, augustine said that the o.t.is revealed in the new, and the n.t. is hidden in the old,could be the other way round , however you get the drift.
 
Give him Christ’s own words…
Mt. 5:17
17 Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
 
Salvation history is seamless. There are more than two covenants. There are six. Adam was given a marriage covenant. The covenant with Noah was to his household. The covenent on Sinai was for Israel. The covenant of David was for a Kingdom. The covenant of Christ is a covenant for the world. We do not discard any part of the old that inheres in the New.

What exactly is it that your father feels needs to be disposed of?
 
Lots of good answers…
I’ll just add… It is us gentiles that were grafted into the Tree (of Israel)
Read Romans, it explains a lot.
And remind your father that Jesus was a Jew.
God is waiting for the Jews to turn away from denying Christ as Lord, …and then he will re-graft them back in. (he loves them very much) They (Israel) are his first born, specially made to serve God - Could any human ever forget their first born? even if he sins greatly – wouldn’t you hold out hope.

Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
 
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