Modern church buildings a thing of the past?

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These pictures make me long for my youth in Germany where there was always a wonderful Church just around the corner. It’s sad that the first thing that truly touched me spiritually, stepping in a beautiful Cathedral as a child, is the thing I have to give up in my adult life to be a good Catholic.

There is a real Church just a few miles down the road, but it’s not the one closest to my house so I can’t rightly attend 😦
 
Morgan_Hiver said:
Why is it that every time a Catholic church is shown in a movie or television show it is never a Vatican II design? It seems like everyone who isn’t a Catholic associates the church with old, beautiful, inspired buildings (a true house of the lord!) but for some reason there are more modern buildings than traditional.

Will there ever come a time when VII designs are re-remodeled to look like a real Catholic church?

How are things in Europe? Have the churches there been stripped of tradition as well?
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Not only have the Church buildings been stripped of tradition, but also, our Altars have been stripped of tradition as well. This is a sad truth, that I hope to see changed.
 
Bporte00 said:
There is a real Church just a few miles down the road, but it’s not the one closest to my house so I can’t rightly attend 😦
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There is no longer any obligation to attend the parish closest to you. You should attend the parish that is the best spiritually for you. Sometimes good churches are few and far between, and some people will drive for over an hour to get to Mass, especially if they are looking for a Tridentine Mass (Mass in Latin using the pre-Vatican II ritual). There’s nothing wrong with this. I was received into the Church in a parish in another town from where we lived - passing by or near at least four Catholic churches on the way there - and after I switched to the Byzantine rite I have been driving an hour and fifteen minutes to get to Liturgy, although I live across the parking lot from a very beautiful Gothic church. Don’t worry about doing this; this sort of thing is perfectly fine and often even encouraged.
 
Modern or contemporary would not be bad *if it drew on antecedents. *I think we’re getting back to that, seeing newer churches with clean lines, but those lines follow the traditional paths, as it were. The style that I regard as most pleasing is the mission style, from the old Missions of California. That should have been used, IMHO, for the new cathedrals in Los Angeles and Oakland, CA. They weren’t, unfortunately. And the cathedral in San Francisco looks like the agitator in a washing machine.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Modern or contemporary would not be bad *if it drew on antecedents. *I think we’re getting back to that, seeing newer churches with clean lines, but those lines follow the traditional paths, as it were. The style that I regard as most pleasing is the mission style, from the old Missions of California. That should have been used, IMHO, for the new cathedrals in Los Angeles and Oakland, CA. They weren’t, unfortunately. And the cathedral in San Francisco looks like the agitator in a washing machine.
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The first part is exactly how the second parish I mentioned looks like. 🙂

The last sentence…well…:rotfl:
 
Roman Catholic Doctrine Vs. The Doctrinal Teaching of the Word of God

Eternal life is a merited reward [1821, 2010]. - Roman Catholicism
Eternal life is the free gift of God (Romans 6:23)

No one can know if he will attain eternal life [1036, 2005] - Roman Catholicism
The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God (1 John 5:13)

The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation [846]. - Roman Catholicism
There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, “for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12)

Purgatory is necessary to atone for sin and clean the soul [1030-1031]. - Roman Catholicism
Purgatory does not exist. Jesus made purification for sins on the cross (Hebrews 1:3)

Mary was preserved from all stain of original sin from the first instant of her conception (the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception) [490-492].
Mary, a descendant of Adam, was born in sin (Psalm 51:5; Romans 5:12)

Mary is the Mother of the Church [963, 975]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary was the earthly mother of Jesus ( John 2:1)

The Magisterium is the authoritative teacher of the Church. [85-87]. - Roman Catholicism
The Holy Spirit is the authoritative teacher of the church (John 14:26; John 16:13, I John 2:27)

The pope, as the Bishop of Rome, is the successor of Peter [882, 936] - Roman Catholicism
Peter had no successor, nor was he a pope.

The pope is infallible in his authoritative teaching [891]. - Roman Catholicism
God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19)

Scripture and Tradition together are the Word of God [81, 85, 97, 182]. - Roman Catholicism
Scripture is the Word of God (John 10:35, 2 Timothy 3:15-17, 2 Peter 1:20-21). Tradition is the words of men (Mark 7:1-13).

The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the Sacrifice of the Mass. [1364,1405, 1846]. - Roman Catholicism
The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7, Hebrews 1:3).

God desires that consecrated bread and wine be worshiped as divine. [1378-1381] - Roman Catholicism
God forbids the worship of any object, even t hose intended to represent Him (Exodus 20:4-5, Isaiah 42:8)

Justification is lost through mortal sin [1033, 1855, 1874] - Roman Catholicism
Justification cannot be lost. Those whom God justifies will be saved from the wrath of God (Romans 5:8-9).

Justification is furthered by sacraments and good works [1212, 1392, 2010] - Roman Catholicism
Justification is the imputation of the perfect righteousness of God (2 Corinthians 5:21). In Christ the believer has been made complete (Colossians 2:10).

Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments [183, 1129, 1815, 2002]. - Roman Catholicism
Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Good works are the result, not the cause, of salvation (Ephesians 2:10).

Mary, “the All-Holy,” lived a perfectly sinless life [411, 493]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary was a sinner; God alone is sinless (Luke 18:19, Romans 3:23, Revelation 15:4).

Mary was a virgin before, during, and after the birth of Christ [496-511]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary remained a virgin until after the birth of Jesus (Matthew 1:25). Later she had other children (Matthew 13:55-56, Psalm 69:8).

Each Sacrifice of the Mass appeases God’s wrath against sin [1371, 1414]. - Roman Catholicism
The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God’s wrath against sin. (Hebrews 10:12-18).

The Bishops, with the Pope, as their head, rule the universal church. [883, 894-896]. - Roman Catholicism
Christ, the head of the body is the Head of the Church. (Colossians 1:18).

The faithful receive the benefits of the cross in fullest measure through the Sacrifice of the Mass [1366, 1407]. - Roman Catholicism
Believers receive the benefits of the cross in fullest measure in Christ through faith (Ephesians 1:3-14).

God has exalted Mary in heavenly glory as Queen of Heaven and Earth [966]. She is to be praised with special devotion [971, 2675]. - Roman Catholicism
The name of the Lord is to be praised, for He alone is exalted above heaven and earth (Psalm 148:13). God commands, “You shall have no other gods before Me.” (Exodus 20:3).

Mary is the co-mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions 9 968-970, 2677] - Roman Catholicism
Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5, John 14:13-14, 1 Peter 5:7).

Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participate with Christ in the painful act of redemption [618, 964, 968, 970]. - Roman Catholicism
Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18-19).

The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the Sacrifice of the Mass [1323, 1382] - Roman Catholicism
The Sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).

Indulgences dispensed by the Church for acts of piety release sinners from temporal punishment [1471-1473]. - Roman Catholicism
Jesus releases believers from their sins by His blood. (Revelation 1:5).

The Magisterium has the right to define truth found only obscurely or implicitly in revelation. [66, 88, 2035, 2051]. - Roman Catholicism
No one has the right to go beyond what is written in Scripture (1 Corinthians 4:6, Proverbs 30:5-6).

Scripture and Tradition together are the Church’s supreme role of faith [80, 82]. - Roman Catholicism
Scripture is the church’s rule of faith (Mark 7:7-13, 2 Timothy 3:16-17).
 
edowitz1 said:
Roman Catholic Doctrine Vs. The Doctrinal Teaching of the Word of God

Eternal life is a merited reward [1821, 2010]. - Roman Catholicism
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Actually, that’s the Pelagian heresy, not Catholic teaching. Study up before you misrepresent us, please. :rolleyes:
Eternal life is the free gift of God (Romans 6:23)
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As taught by the Council of Trent and the constant teaching of the Catholic Church.
No one can know if he will attain eternal life [1036, 2005] - Roman Catholicism
The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God (1 John 5:13)
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We do know that we have eternal life through the grace of Christ. What we don’t know infallibly is whether we are in the state of grace or not, or whether we will persevere in grace until the end of our lives. We are still free to sin.
The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation [846]. - Roman Catholicism
There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, “for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12)
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And what do you think the Catholic Church is but the Body of Christ? How are these two statements incompatible when they imply each other?

(And note the term “Roman Catholic Church” is incorrect. There are many rites of the Church besides the Roman. I am a Greek Catholic; I am as fully Catholic as anyone else including the Pope whom we pray for three times in every Liturgy, but I’m not a Roman Catholic.)
Purgatory is necessary to atone for sin and clean the soul [1030-1031]. - Roman Catholicism
Purgatory does not exist. Jesus made purification for sins on the cross (Hebrews 1:3)
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He atoned for our sins (“making purgation of sins”) - but that does not mean that these merits have been applied to us fully. Are you a sinner, or are you completely perfect and free from all attachment to sin? If the latter, then you have no need for purgatory. I for my part am a sinner - and frankly, so are you.
Mary was preserved from all stain of original sin from the first instant of her conception (the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception) [490-492].
Mary, a descendant of Adam, was born in sin (Psalm 51:5; Romans 5:12)
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“Wherefore as by one man sin entered into this world, and by sin death; and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned.”

Is Jesus a man? Did Jesus sin?

What about stillborn infants?

Is God incapable of making exceptions to this very general (and very true) statement that “all have sinned”?

And which is it - is Mary completely purified to the point where there would never in her life have been the need for any purgation as you said in your last claim, or is she subject to sin?
 
Hollywood uses traditional churches and priests in collars and nuns in habits because it needs a strong visual element to tell the non-Catholic audience that these sites and people are Catholic. By extension, it argues in favor of traditional designs, Roman collars, and religious men and women in habits. I think as we see above the pendulum is swinging back toward tradition in some places, Deo gratias.
 
Here is a link to the Co-Cathedral of the Sacred Heart in the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston. Regretably, they no longer seem to have photos of the construction process or of the interior (at least I could not find any). This is what I would call a contemporary church with its roots and antecedants intact.

sacredhearthouston.org/
 
Here is the main church in Ave Maria, Florida. It was built a few years ago.
 
poker10 said:
Here is the main church in Ave Maria, Florida. It was built a few years ago.
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That is indeed a lovely church ON THE OUTSIDE. I only hope it looks just as reverent and beautiful on THE INSIDE.
 
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