Modern Theism, etc., Re: Sister Elizabeth A. Johnson

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Frankly, I think people forget that God is transcendent and all too often try to make God in the image of man - things like arguing whether God is masculine, feminine when in reality he is neither or portraying him as some kind of monarch in the sky (which smacks of paganism).

Indeed, I would say the findings of modern science in biology and cosmology give us a better idea of God’s nature, than much of the OT.
 
Indeed, I would say the findings of modern science in biology and cosmology give us a better idea of God’s nature, than much of the OT.
razredge, I am not convinced that modern biology and cosmology give us a better idea of God’s nature, so much as they enrich our existing understanding of God.
 
razredge, I am not convinced that modern biology and cosmology give us a better idea of God’s nature, so much as they enrich our existing understanding of God.
I can take ‘enrich our existing understanding of God’.

What I mean is if you look at God in the OT especially, quite often hey comes across as a God created in the image of man - like Zeus, a tinkerer, who doesn’t really know what he’s doing (eg. he made Eve after realising all the other animals wouldn’t work as companions to Adam)

Wheras modern science gives us a better idea of the transcendence of God as the one who created the simple physical laws that gave rise to such complexity such as life - which is a far more difficult and Godlike task than some divine being going around making things appear.
 
From the bishops’ statement, p. 16:
For the fullness of “truth,” according to Sr. Johnson’s argument, one needs Jesus + Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, etc. (see 174-79).
This is another mischaracterization of Johnson’s point, which is that:
Glimpsing the Holy through the religious experience of peoples of other faiths, Christians grow in knowledge and love of the great mystery of the living God. (Quest, 174)
Nostra Aetate acknowledged the elements of truth found in other religions. Christians learning about these elements of truth, can not help but grow in knowledge about how humans have variously responded to God’s call.

The bishops do not do a better job at critiquing Johnson’s view of panentheism, stating that her panentheism
lacks any characteristic that would constitute a real difference between it and pantheism. (16)
Johnson explicitly states that her panentheism is not pantheism: pantheism states that God and the created order are one and the same; panentheism states what Ephesians 4:6, Acts 17:28, and St. Augustine (CCC 300) all state: that God is “higher than my highest and more inward than my innermost self.” In fact, the bishops quote CCC 300, not realizing that 300 is a classic panentheistic statement.

Pantheism simply gives the name “God” to the created order.

Panentheism states that God transcends the world, while at the same time existing “more inward” the world than any created thing can.
 
This latest offering from the bishops further qualifies the overall errors of Sr. Johnson’s book and is prevalent in dissent in general. Sr. Johnson is not a bad or evil person but is accepting of the philosophical presuppositions and notions that lead away from that which is divinely revealed. I believe these presuppositions and notions are related to the deficient philosophical notions accepted by the culture overall. Is it not our underlying beliefs of what we think is “true” and what is “truth” used to judge that which is presented to us and which colors what we add to our body of knowledge in our intellect?

If we use Kant, as mentioned in the Bishops reply, as an underlying presupposition as to how we know, we will reason Divine truths differently than a Thomistic one. If we know nothing of Thomism other than what others say is wrong with it, using a notion that the “opposite of error is truth”, then seemingly we will not be able to understand those reasonings coming from a Thomistic presupposed notion.

It will not do that the end result reached is apparently acceptable, overlooking the erroneous presuppositions, because the end does not justify the means and that the underlying error may, and in most cases will, lead to other errors. It is necessary that all reasonings be true in and of themselves in the correct context and being understood in the correct level in the hierarchy of truth.

This underlying erroneous presupposed notions and failing to understand the truths of Thomism as well as the error of applying an overall approach denigrating “neo-scholasticism”, is seemingly the problem of “Quest for the Living God”. It is the same underlying philosophical problems related to misunderstanding transcendence, theological problems understanding the true gratuity of grace, misunderstanding the transcendent nature of the office of a bishop and linking it to the personal failings he may have as a justification for dissent from his authority, and misunderstanding God as being closer in nature to His Creation than He is. This immanence error is seen in a lot of Sr. Johnson’s work including this one.

In the end the authority issue and the justification her supporters offer as to why the Bishops have criticized her book (that she is a female! :doh2:) place Sr. Johnson in a very bad light, a light dissenters fail to avoid, and often bask in, to their detriment.
 
28 October 2011:

In a statement released this morning from the United States Catholic Conference, the bishops’ Committee on Doctrine reaffirms their March critique of the book “Quest For The Living God” By St. Joseph Sr. Elizabeth Johnson, saying again that it is an inadequate expression of Catholic Faith.

ncronline.org/news/theology/bishops-reaffirm-‘quest-living-god’-not-adequate-theology
You are an angel making up for my sins of omission regarding this thread.

Thank you,
granny

The quest for truth is worthy of the adventures of the journey.
 
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