Modest swimwear as an example for my daughter

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simple_soul said:
*But you see I could say, in my opinion the OP pictures are actually designed to illicit lust too just in a more subtle way. (Serap, I know this is not why you wear it. I still trust your judgement.)

Thank you.*

And actually I believe I do know quite a few girl’s who do were bikini’s and I know them well enough to say with confidence that I believe they do have a pure heart.🙂

I believe this is true. My friend who is 45 and gorgeous wears a bikini and she’s still a virgin.

I could not tell you about anyone who is naked because I have not met some one naked yet. But I wonder…

I wonder too b/c on a clothing optional beach, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of lust that is evident. I’ve been to one in my city once and I felt the odd one out b/c I was clothed :o

Anyway thank you for helping me to bounce this around to understand it better.

Peace and God bless
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As long as we are trying with a pure heart; that’s all God asks of us.
 
rmbrulotte said:
The Catechism clearly states that modesty is an outgrowth of the pure in heart. The lack of modesty in someone properly formed in the faith would more likely indicate spiritual trouble, not the cause. Yes, immodestly could cause further damage, but there would have to be something lacking from the get-go in order for one to dress immodestly. (Unless there was ignorance of the cultural/religious norms of chastity and dress)

In my opinion most bikinis are actually designed to illicit lust, so while I suppose there could be a way one could wear a bikini without being immodest, I can’t think of one, unless one was alone with one’s husband. (I think being naked may be even more modest in some cases than the bikini because the bikini inspires an unhealthy curiosity whereas if one were to see a naked body they would most likely immediately look away in embarrassment. That is just my opinion though.😊) The Catechism says that there is a connection between purity of heart, of body, and of faith (2518).
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Amen! 👍

I have a great interest in modesty, and was surprised that I could not find a social group for this subject. So . . . I decided to start one myself. I would like to invite anyone who shares my interest in modesty to join! 🙂 Here is a link: Modesty in Dress and Deportment
 
Serap said:
As long as we are trying with a pure heart; that’s all God asks of us.
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Exactly:thumbsup:

Understanding this helps me understand why I never could fault my father or mother for the way they raised me. Even though they look back and say they made mistakes or should have done things better. I truly do believe from the bottom of my heart that they made thier choices in how they raised me with a pure heart.
 
Simple soul, or anyone else, please check out the blog I posted. Right now we are in the process of discussing this very issue along with womens accesories (jewelry, make-up, dyeing hair, etc). This is support for those who have been confused or hurt by extreme teachings (and the scrupulous) especially about modesty, NFP, education of children, discipline, women’s roles, etc.) I would love for you to join us and ask questions and offer your experiences.

thechurchfanatic.blogspot.com
 
simple_soul said:
Exactly:thumbsup:

Understanding this helps me understand why I never could fault my father or mother for the way they raised me. Even though they look back and say they made mistakes or should have done things better. I truly do believe from the bottom of my heart that they made thier choices in how they raised me with a pure heart.
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Your parents did their best. You always felt loved growing up despite their strict ways.
 
modesty and fear…

MUST they go together?

i don’t think so. the discussion seems to have assumed that apparent modesty and fear are cojoined twins.

how easy it is for the devil to destroy a decent message by attaching unwarranted fear and uncharitable judgment to it. how easily we are led to disregard a godly message because we scoff at the bad messengers. how easy it is to ruin a good message because we force it in fear instead of teach in love.

Jesus said, “be not afraid.”

He also said, “I was naked and you clothed me. … Whenever you did this for the least one of these, you did it for me.”

moreover, instructing the ignorant is a spiritual work of mercy. so i don’t believe that simply goodwill seeking is enough. the point of seeking is to find. i’m responsible to allow God to illuminate my darkened intellect through the graces of the sacrament. i’m responsible to inform my (of its own) inadequate conscience according to the Church’s teachings. i’m called by God to endeavor all this while trusting in HIS love and mercy.

in our culture (our culture being a standard we can use, according to the catechism sections quoted previously) certain fashions ARE associated with sexual enticement. i’ve contended this before and I contend it again, the pinup calendars in the grungy car shops and feed stores up the road do NOT exhibit women dressed in boy shorts and tank tops. they show women in bikinis, or tiny skirts with their tiny blouses half ripped off. (and to those who contend that some guys find uniforms sexy, the year the car shop guys exhibited the calendar of ‘women in uniform’, it more correctly should have been called ‘women climbing OUT of their uniforms’.)

in our culture, it is precisely these fashions and others like them that are associated with sexual provocation. if our culture is the standard, as the catechism says it legitimately is, our culture has clearly spoken. these fashions are intended for sexual provocation. that many men dont even care any more-- that many men are provocation-fatigued is more evidence still that we’re a desensitized culture. desensitized is not a virtue.

real, apparent, ostensible modesty is a good thing. endeavored in love, it’s a great thing.
 
 
 
Of course, if you really want a classic vintage bathing suit….it would have to be a classic Roman leather bikini!

internationalliving.com/2007/04/09-15-05/

museumoflondon.org.uk/English/Collections/OnlineResources/Londinium/Lite/classifieds/bikini.htm

But watch out!
Leather stretches when wet (quite a lot, so keep pulling them tighter or you’ll lose them!)
Then shrinks when drying (quite a lot, watch out! Go baking on the beach and you’ll end up with the wedgie of the century, Eeek!)
I don’t know how on earth those Roman women managed with those!
Thank goodness for synthetics!
 
former_Catholic said:
Of course, if you really want a classic vintage bathing suit….it would have to be a classic Roman leather bikini!

internationalliving.com/2007/04/09-15-05/

museumoflondon.org.uk/English/Collections/OnlineResources/Londinium/Lite/classifieds/bikini.htm

But watch out!
Leather stretches when wet (quite a lot, so keep pulling them tighter or you’ll lose them!)
Then shrinks when drying (quite a lot, watch out! Go baking on the beach and you’ll end up with the wedgie of the century, Eeek!)
I don’t know how on earth those Roman women managed with those!
Thank goodness for synthetics!
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The first link seems more like work-out wear. 😃 The first woman seems to be holding weights.

Maybe that should be another topic…

If your working out at gym for only woman…is it modest to wear a bikini? 😃
 
former_Catholic said:
Of course, if you really want a classic vintage bathing suit….it would have to be a classic Roman leather bikini!

internationalliving.com/2007/04/09-15-05/

museumoflondon.org.uk/English/Collections/OnlineResources/Londinium/Lite/classifieds/bikini.htm

But watch out!
Leather stretches when wet (quite a lot, so keep pulling them tighter or you’ll lose them!)
Then shrinks when drying (quite a lot, watch out! Go baking on the beach and you’ll end up with the wedgie of the century, Eeek!)
I don’t know how on earth those Roman women managed with those!
Thank goodness for synthetics!
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LOL!!! Oh gosh… I don’t know if I could handle wearing leather - especially in the heat. That would be quite uncomfortable.
 
Serap, I don’t mean to be rude, offensive or domineering but, I don’t think those are modest at all. In fact, I cringe at the idea that a Saint Therese or a Saint Gemma would wear such a dress to go swimming. They have a very low neckline, very short skirts and, well, I’m surprised that you even said that you wanted them to be ‘sexy’…:eek:

There is a diffirence between looking beautiful and sexy; there is no need to dress in a sexual manner in order to look beauitful. For me, a modest swimsuit should cover most of the thighs, either with a skirt or by ‘stockings’.

Also, without portraying you as a bad woman Serap:), but why would you want your daughter to be ‘sexy’? Its just wrong. Our bad culture sexualizes children and manipulates them against themselves and virtue with all these silly fads and fashions. My suggestion is that you don’t take your daughter swimming at all!👍

I’m kidding here! But those dresses just aren’t modest. I think that if the neckline was higher, and the skirt was longer (if possible reaching just a small bit under the knees), with the armpits and 1/4 of the arms covered, they would truly be fine and modest .

May Mary bless you Serap! Your love for your childre and family is very clear:).
 
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