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francisca
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francisca
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Let’s talk about “woman’s intention” which men of lust always target their prejudices on.
The question is :
As a SUBJECT of feminine sexuality, is it OK for a woman to have intention to attract men’s attention?
Enlighten me with your opinion, or just throw me your question, or the fact of life you are facing.
The question is :
As a SUBJECT of feminine sexuality, is it OK for a woman to have intention to attract men’s attention?
Enlighten me with your opinion, or just throw me your question, or the fact of life you are facing.
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Ranklyfrank
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The documentary tested for lust as a factor in human relationships in double blind studies. It showed that lust largely depended on ques relative to competition for mates, whether consciously or unconsciously. It also showed that while both men and women had the same physiological reactions over similar times when exposed to stimuli, the males were less likely to censor these than women. the deciding factor appeared to be a built in difference in what constitutes success. Fro women it was delayed as pregnancy has consequences; in men not, because impregnation means propagation in any case. The one mitigating factor was that when the same profiles of people in relationships were given the same stimuli, the ones who were given it in a love context tended to pass over the more obvious sexual attractions in favor of their relationships. Otherwise lust was portrayed as one of the driving factors in creativity and accomplishment, those depending on the maturity of the individual. In other words, it was portrayed as raw fuel which could be use to either cause a conflagration or fuel a dynamic of creation. I think that is pretty close.
I think what is pertinent about all that here is the matter of what we are trained to take as signals. Some are cross-cultural, some are more specific. All require assimilation in terms of mores and social behavior, that happening to different degrees from profligacy to prudery dependent on many factors not necessarily related to an overt moral code, civil or religious.
As for your second post, women do use behavior signaling helpfulness and sociability as an attractant. This again runs the spectrum of possibility of everything from commercial enterprise to dating to relationships and even to worship. In our society I think we are very ignorant of the potential and power of women in many areas, and therefore even of femininity within spiritual practice. And in any case, it is likely that a woman will act attractively if she wants a man, or if she is less principled, if she wants something. How she does that, and when and why is a matter of her scope of known options whether default biological, socialized, religiously modified, or whatever. And her withholding that, say in a sanctioned marriage, may indicate a problem.
I think what is pertinent about all that here is the matter of what we are trained to take as signals. Some are cross-cultural, some are more specific. All require assimilation in terms of mores and social behavior, that happening to different degrees from profligacy to prudery dependent on many factors not necessarily related to an overt moral code, civil or religious.
As for your second post, women do use behavior signaling helpfulness and sociability as an attractant. This again runs the spectrum of possibility of everything from commercial enterprise to dating to relationships and even to worship. In our society I think we are very ignorant of the potential and power of women in many areas, and therefore even of femininity within spiritual practice. And in any case, it is likely that a woman will act attractively if she wants a man, or if she is less principled, if she wants something. How she does that, and when and why is a matter of her scope of known options whether default biological, socialized, religiously modified, or whatever. And her withholding that, say in a sanctioned marriage, may indicate a problem.
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ignatius777
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Creating an ocassion of sin is as bas as the sin itself
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Ranklyfrank
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Do Catholic women do that? Walk around all the time wondering if they are making an occasion of sin for some bozo? That couldn’t be a happy mental life!
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francisca
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Are you sure of the word they use is “lust” not “sex” ? I just remember I watched something like the above, long long time ago : A documentary about the difference of sexual behavior between man and woman. They use actor to test man and woman, their willingness to flirt. So the actor/ actress pick random people on the street and ask them to kiss him/ her on the month. The result shows that most of men samples were willing, some of them even did “french kiss” the actress, but only one or two women were willing but they only “peck” the actor, the rest refused immediately and walk off. It could be the same doc you talked about. The conclusion was more/ less : Woman is more selective because she has to get pregnant and nurse the child, but man is more aggressive in order to spread his seed. But the one I watched was not about “science of lust”, it was about “science of sexual behavior”.
I think culture and religion do shape the society moral values, not necessarily personal values of each individual in it fully conform with them, but each individual living in the said society will be exposed to these cultural and religious values. Nothing to do with civil law.
What I meant by attraction in my post: woman also similar to man in the fact that she is also a subject, even though her sexuality is not masculine, rather she is feminine. So in this feminine nature of sex subject, woman most innate sexual instinct, she’s just naturally trying to always be attractive. This is a passive kind of sexual behavior. Woman sometimes doesn’t even know why all the clothes in the shopping malls looks so exciting. This is because woman sexual instinct as a sex Subject (and not object of sex) is to show off beauty.
The masculine role of man as a sex subject is more active. Having all the flowers around him, he has to choose what to do with them. Unlike woman who shop for lipstick, man pursue woman. And all this is just natural good sexuality, the one God give us all.
What makes sex become lust is prejudices against sexuality. All the bad talk, the bad values, the bad context those are imposed to it. Otherwise it’s just a fair game : Women try to be attractive, men decide what to do about it.
Even as a wife, I still love to shop for beautiful clothes, not necessarily I am in active hunting for hot man somewhere. Supposedly another man attracted to me and pursue me actively, as a subject of sex I can say yes or no. Now because my husband love, and treat me as “somebody”, I will say no to the other. The fact that I can say yes or no is to act as a SUBJECT.
Similar to this, man also can say yes or no, he is “NOT IN ANYWAY powerless”, he is a subject, and even more than woman, man is the active player. If a man say no to a woman, she can’t do anything about it. So if you say yes or no to a prostitute, you are playing your role as a sex SUBJECT with authority over your own sexuality. If you decide to pursue the woman of your dream, in this case you also play your role as a sex subject. When the woman of your dream say yes or no to you she is a subject to. This is the healthy sexuality God give us.
If a young man made a bad choice in his role as sex subject-- if he was provoked by his friend or even tempted by pictures of a woman-- he can’t say “I was not a subject, I was so powerless”. He was powerful, but he made a bad decision. But the thing is this, by the time he is a mature man, he has made many many and many bad decisions as a sex subject, he begin to have prejudices over sexuality. Having fail to control his own sexuality, then he begin to treat woman as the cause of his own failures. The devil now own him, he is now a slave.
If nothing of the previous paragraph ever happened to you, be happy, because sexuality is a good fair game. Do not listen to prejudices towards woman’s clothes, for if you do, you will lust. The truth is, you should fall in love, not to lust.
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francisca
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I just remember I watched something like the above, long long time ago : A documentary about the difference of sexual behavior between man and woman. They use actor to test man and woman, their willingness to flirt. So the actor/ actress pick random people on the street and ask them to kiss him/ her on the month. The result shows that most of men samples were willing, some of them even did “french kiss” the actress, but only one or two women were willing but they only “peck” the actor, the rest refused immediately and walk off. It could be the same doc you talked about. The conclusion was more/ less : Woman is more selective because she has to get pregnant and nurse the child, but man is more aggressive in order to spread his seed. But the one I watched was not about “science of lust”, it was about “science of sexual behavior”.
I think culture and religion do shape the society moral values, not necessarily personal values of each individual in it fully conform with them, but each individual living in the said society will be exposed to these cultural and religious values. Nothing to do with civil law.
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francisca
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What I meant by attraction in my post: woman also similar to man in the fact that she is also a subject, even though her sexuality is not masculine, rather she is feminine. So in this feminine nature of sex subject, woman most innate sexual instinct, she’s just naturally trying to always be attractive. This is a passive kind of sexual behavior. Woman sometimes doesn’t even know why all the clothes in the shopping malls looks so exciting. This is because woman sexual instinct as a sex Subject (and not object of sex) is to show off beauty.
The masculine role of man as a sex subject is more active. Having all the flowers around him, he has to choose what to do with them. Unlike woman who shop for lipstick, man pursue woman. And all this is just natural good sexuality, the one God give us all.
What makes sex become lust is prejudices against sexuality. All the bad talk, the bad values, the bad context those are imposed to it. Otherwise it’s just a fair game : Women try to be attractive, men decide what to do about it.
Even as a wife, I still love to shop for beautiful clothes, not necessarily I am in active hunting for hot man somewhere. Supposedly another man attracted to me and pursue me actively, as a subject of sex I can say yes or no. Now because my husband love, and treat me as “somebody”, I will say no to the other. The fact that I can say yes or no is to act as a SUBJECT.
Similar to this, man also can say yes or no, he is “NOT IN ANYWAY powerless”, he is a subject, and even more than woman, man is the active player. If a man say no to a woman, she can’t do anything about it. So if you say yes or no to a prostitute, you are playing your role as a sex SUBJECT with authority over your own sexuality. If you decide to pursue the woman of your dream, in this case you also play your role as a sex subject. When the woman of your dream say yes or no to you she is a subject to. This is the healthy sexuality God give us.
If a young man made a bad choice in his role as sex subject-- if he was provoked by his friend or even tempted by pictures of a woman-- he can’t say “I was not a subject, I was so powerless”. He was powerful, but he made a bad decision. But the thing is this, by the time he is a mature man, he has made many many and many bad decisions as a sex subject, he begin to have prejudices over sexuality. Having fail to control his own sexuality, then he begin to treat woman as the cause of his own failures. The devil now own him, he is now a slave.
If nothing of the previous paragraph ever happened to you, be happy, because sexuality is a good fair game. Do not listen to prejudices towards woman’s clothes, for if you do, you will lust. The truth is, you should fall in love, not to lust.
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francisca
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I don’t, and I hope not the rest too… Girls, do not let people impose their standard on you.
If they can dress modest, what right do they have to say that your is not?
So in other words, they dress modest in order to condemn those who don’t !
Some good whether we are creating here in the church !
Sorry Ranklyfrank, I just want to clear up my throat to those who are out there who think they’re so modest and wise, iin order to make us walk around making an occasion of sin for some bozo…
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Shin
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Personal theories which we make up are unreliable.
Catholics rely on moral law that is unchangeable, because it is the simple reality. Reality does not impose itself, being told about it is not imposition.
Modesty is a virtue, occasions of sins are things we have responsibility for.
If you say, when asked about your brother or sister, “I am not my brother’s keeper”, then you lack charity, and love of neighbor.
If you feel no responsibility towards being part of the cause of sin in others, that is morally evil.
The natural law teaches everyone from the beginning of their lives to be ashamed of appearing naked before another, because it is shameful to reveal that which is properly hidden. This is part of every human being. It is God’s way of helping us to become moral.
It teaches people to blush when bad suggestions are made to them. Blush with shame. Shame is a helper given to us to discern good and evil.
A woman who has overcome shame and who likes to tempt men by appearing in ways that attract them, is morally corrupt. And a man who likes to seduce women by speaking to anyone he meets in that fashion, is too.
Many people are this way, and grow accustomed to it because of corrupt cultures, but true Catholic culture is different than this.
We should not look upon others with lust or view them this way. But, because of original sin, we have ‘concupiscence’, which causes a reaction to lust unless we avoid certain things.
A single sin of lust is a mortal sin that can condemn a soul to Hell forever. Christ has taught us this. Therefore men and women have a responsibility to live their lives in ways that prevent this from happening. It is a shared responsibility, that springs forth from love of neighbor, not the bad reasons falsely put forth.
Love of neighbor guides our lives to be lived in ways that do not harm other people. Selfishness causes us to live our lives in which we claim no responsibility for how we act and how this affects other people.
We should be children of God who care for one another by not being harmful to other people through vanity, laziness, or culpable ignorance in regards to how we affect others, etc.
Everyone needs to make more progress in modesty. The thing to do is start today.
Catholics rely on moral law that is unchangeable, because it is the simple reality. Reality does not impose itself, being told about it is not imposition.
Modesty is a virtue, occasions of sins are things we have responsibility for.
If you say, when asked about your brother or sister, “I am not my brother’s keeper”, then you lack charity, and love of neighbor.
If you feel no responsibility towards being part of the cause of sin in others, that is morally evil.
The natural law teaches everyone from the beginning of their lives to be ashamed of appearing naked before another, because it is shameful to reveal that which is properly hidden. This is part of every human being.
It is God’s way of helping us to become moral.It teaches people to blush when bad suggestions are made to them. Blush with shame. Shame is a helper given to us to discern good and evil.
A woman who has overcome shame and who likes to tempt men by appearing in ways that attract them, is morally corrupt. And a man who likes to seduce women by speaking to anyone he meets in that fashion, is too.
Many people are this way, and grow accustomed to it because of corrupt cultures, but true Catholic culture is different than this.
We should not look upon others with lust or view them this way. But, because of original sin, we have ‘concupiscence’, which causes a reaction to lust unless we avoid certain things.
A single sin of lust is a mortal sin that can condemn a soul to Hell forever. Christ has taught us this. Therefore men and women have a responsibility to live their lives in ways that prevent this from happening. It is a shared responsibility, that springs forth from love of neighbor, not the bad reasons falsely put forth.
Love of neighbor guides our lives to be lived in ways that do not harm other people. Selfishness causes us to live our lives in which we claim no responsibility for how we act and how this affects other people.
We should be children of God who care for one another by not being harmful to other people through vanity, laziness, or culpable ignorance in regards to how we affect others, etc.
Everyone needs to make more progress in modesty. The thing to do is start today.
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Shin
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‘But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart.’
Our Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:28)
‘The good of our soul is more important than that of our body; and we have to prefer the spiritual welfare of our neighbor to our bodily comforts. . . If a certain kind of dress constitutes a grave and proximate occasion of sin, and endangers the salvation of your soul and others, it is your duty to give it up.’
Pope Pius XII
‘Let your modesty be known to all men. The Lord is nigh.’
Philippians 4:5
'It might be said that society speaks through the clothing it wears. Through its clothing it reveals its secret aspirations and uses it, at least in part, to build or destroy its future."
Pope Pius XII
Our Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:28)
‘The good of our soul is more important than that of our body; and we have to prefer the spiritual welfare of our neighbor to our bodily comforts. . . If a certain kind of dress constitutes a grave and proximate occasion of sin, and endangers the salvation of your soul and others, it is your duty to give it up.’
Pope Pius XII
‘Let your modesty be known to all men. The Lord is nigh.’
Philippians 4:5
'It might be said that society speaks through the clothing it wears. Through its clothing it reveals its secret aspirations and uses it, at least in part, to build or destroy its future."
Pope Pius XII
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Tigg
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I believe most normal people (men and women) can appreciate beauty without lust. Most women want to look their best, dress nicely and have their hair done. This is part of an “ordered” lifestyle, and I believe, ingrained in our femininity. Perhaps looking upon a beautiful woman (even though dressed modestly) would cause a man to sin, but I would contend that would be because he has an inclination to lust. Some struggle more than others with sexual sins and it is a great cross for them to bear.
In this scenario, both male and female would be culpable. Those living in the light of God would recognize this for what it is.
I disagree that it’s never the clothes. We all live with concupiscence as part of our fallen human nature and we are to run from temptation and likewise not be an occasion of sin for others. Culturally speaking, you cannot honestly apply the tribal African behavior to the U.S., for instance, since they are conditioned from birth and accept the human body with an openness that other societies, like ours, do not. And if a woman is dressing only for her sexual appeal (meaning to entice the opposite sex) I would suggest she is not living to the full potential of being female.
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ignatius777
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My point is simply that the level of modesty you wish to live by is on you but that may create an acassion of sin for someone else but of course it is up to each individual to live up the standard of modesty they believe they are called to. No matter how you dress (which may or may not be a temptation to me) its up to me to not lust after you if I am married.
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francisca
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I say if the people say this is how I’d dress, it will become the local culture.
I don’t mind practicing modesty. I do not like people telling me that their dress is more modest than mine, out of their own prejudices towards sexuality, their own idea that woman causing their lust.
As a subject of sex, woman has their right to be pretty. If we dress pretty then people say woman invite lust, then this is a perverted view towards woman. The more woman conform to such request, the more irrational their expectations will be. If woman cover her knee, they will request that we cover our ankle too. This is because after we cover our knees, they will still find out that it doesn’t stop their lust. Soon they will ask woman to cover her hair too, and wear veil to cover her lips. It will happen this way because lust is a set of prejudices towards sexuality. In this case, it’s towards woman’s sexuality. The more you cover your woman, the more alive the prejudices. If woman wears burqa, she conforms to social value that entails “woman’s body is bad”, “woman is a dangerous creature”, “woman is the cause of sin”, therefore she has to be covered. Woman has become nothing but object without own will or right to do what she wants to do, or to say what she needs to say. This is a pervert way to see woman, because in reality woman is pretty, she give birth to us, she teaches our children good things, she is man’s equal friend.
I don’t mind practicing modesty. I do not like people telling me that their dress is more modest than mine, out of their own prejudices towards sexuality, their own idea that woman causing their lust.
As a subject of sex, woman has their right to be pretty. If we dress pretty then people say woman invite lust, then this is a perverted view towards woman. The more woman conform to such request, the more irrational their expectations will be. If woman cover her knee, they will request that we cover our ankle too. This is because after we cover our knees, they will still find out that it doesn’t stop their lust. Soon they will ask woman to cover her hair too, and wear veil to cover her lips. It will happen this way because lust is a set of prejudices towards sexuality. In this case, it’s towards woman’s sexuality. The more you cover your woman, the more alive the prejudices. If woman wears burqa, she conforms to social value that entails “woman’s body is bad”, “woman is a dangerous creature”, “woman is the cause of sin”, therefore she has to be covered. Woman has become nothing but object without own will or right to do what she wants to do, or to say what she needs to say. This is a pervert way to see woman, because in reality woman is pretty, she give birth to us, she teaches our children good things, she is man’s equal friend.
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francisca
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We can’t run from any temptations if we are not the one get tempted. How can clothes be the reason? Woman can dress the most concealing dress, yet men of lust still want her, and blame her for that. (please read post #4, #5, #8).
We should not entertain perverted irrational prejudices. We don’t allow our men come into conclusion that our dress is the cause of their sin. We can bring about change to the society and culture we live in. We can educate our men to be gentleman even to a prostitute. Jesus did not look down on prostitute. If the amazonian and african tribe men can behave well, why can’t our men?
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francisca
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I want more gentlemen like you in our society
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Heliotropium
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This is a very simple question to answer. Modesty according to the teachings of the Catholic Church which Christ founded for the teaching and instruction of the faithful. The Church is the pillar of truth you should follow and not the maxiums of society.
God bless
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Shin
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Unreal? Draconian? Try Catholic and saintly.
If you’re unwilling to pray and be open to learning to appreciate that work of the Holy Spirit, and instead going to label bad motivations behind these practices… it would be your own fault if you do not understand and instead condemn them.
‘One cannot sufficiently deplore the blindness of so many women of every age and condition; made foolish by desire to please, they do not see to what a degree the indecency of their clothing shocks every honest man, and offends God.’
Pope Benedict XV
‘Girls and women dressed immodestly are to be debarred from Holy Communion and from acting as sponsors at the Sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation; further, if the offense be extreme, they may even be forbidden to enter the church.’
Decree of the Congregation of the Council (by the mandate of Pope Pius XI)
“The Church is the house of God. It is forbidden for men to enter with bare arms or in shorts. It is forbidden for women to enter in trousers, without a veil on their head, in short clothing, low necklines, sleeveless or immodest dresses.”
St. Alphonsus Maria de Liguori, Doctor of the Church
What I don’t understand is the lack of love of neighbor in this regard, and I find the blunt ignoring and denial of the actual definition of the virtue of modesty troublesome too.
People can have trouble accepting they’ve committed sins. This I understand. And go into denial. This too. But it’s to our benefit to learn about our mistakes, not to cover them up.
The beautiful example of St. Agnes, the modest words of St. Alphonsus Maria de Liguori, the rules of St. Padre Pio… they’re all the true modesty we have to live by to please God.
People shouldn’t make stuff up based on their own rationalizations and deductions… that’s not how you determine good and evil… you gain it from the constant teaching of the Church, the true and continual witness of the saints bears this forth for us.
Some cultures are corrupt and do not wear enough clothing normally… or wear bad clothing normally… and sometimes priests and bishops are slow to correct this from cultural corruption, this is not the Church supporting immodesty, just the immodesty affecting some within her…
It’s not all relative. We have that declared by the Popes, saints, natural law, it’s as clear before all as it can be.
If you’re unwilling to pray and be open to learning to appreciate that work of the Holy Spirit, and instead going to label bad motivations behind these practices… it would be your own fault if you do not understand and instead condemn them.
‘One cannot sufficiently deplore the blindness of so many women of every age and condition; made foolish by desire to please, they do not see to what a degree the indecency of their clothing shocks every honest man, and offends God.’
Pope Benedict XV
‘Girls and women dressed immodestly are to be debarred from Holy Communion and from acting as sponsors at the Sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation; further, if the offense be extreme, they may even be forbidden to enter the church.’
Decree of the Congregation of the Council (by the mandate of Pope Pius XI)
“The Church is the house of God. It is forbidden for men to enter with bare arms or in shorts. It is forbidden for women to enter in trousers, without a veil on their head, in short clothing, low necklines, sleeveless or immodest dresses.”
- words from a sign on the door of San Giovanni Rotondo
St. Alphonsus Maria de Liguori, Doctor of the Church
What I don’t understand is the lack of love of neighbor in this regard, and I find the blunt ignoring and denial of the actual definition of the virtue of modesty troublesome too.
People can have trouble accepting they’ve committed sins. This I understand. And go into denial. This too. But it’s to our benefit to learn about our mistakes, not to cover them up.
The beautiful example of St. Agnes, the modest words of St. Alphonsus Maria de Liguori, the rules of St. Padre Pio… they’re all the true modesty we have to live by to please God.
People shouldn’t make stuff up based on their own rationalizations and deductions… that’s not how you determine good and evil… you gain it from the constant teaching of the Church, the true and continual witness of the saints bears this forth for us.
Some cultures are corrupt and do not wear enough clothing normally… or wear bad clothing normally… and sometimes priests and bishops are slow to correct this from cultural corruption, this is not the Church supporting immodesty, just the immodesty affecting some within her…
It’s not all relative.
We have that declared by the Popes, saints, natural law, it’s as clear before all as it can be.
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Ranklyfrank
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You know what? I’m reading all this stuff on here and I’m getting a GD headache. How about the two step program that works for everyone, religious or not, that saves us all this haranguing and psychic agony? It is really simple:
- GROW UP!
- Be an example of The Golden rule, or as you in the Church call it, The Great Commandment.
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Heliotropium
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Finding the “middle ground” with the teachings of the Church, and the Saints is in my opinion not a very good avenue to walk down. I would hate to be in front of God during my Judgment and have Him ask; “***Why did you not listen to my Saints? Why didn’t you listen to the Holy Fathers that I myself through the Holy Spirit chose to be the successors of my beloved Apostle Saint Peter? Why did you ignore my instruction which I gave to you in the scriptures? Did I not say to my Apostles; “He that heareth you, heareth Me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth Me; and he that despiseth Me, despiseth Him that sent Me.”—Luke 10:16.” ***
What will I say then? Would I dare say to Jesus; "well I thought it better to find a middle ground?" I mean what would my neighbor think of me if I followed such strict rules and guidelines that would surely make me a laughing stock of the world?” No I think not my brother and sisters I think not. I would rather at my Judgment hear Jesus say; “Well done, good and faithful servant!”—25:21. You were a contradiction to the world for my sake! You followed all my instructions and bore ridicule and persecution from the worldy for my sake! Today you will be with me in Paradise”—Luke 23:43
I pray that all of us hold steadfast in teachings God has handed down to us in Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, The Churches Magisterium, through the venerable, blessed and cannonized Saints, the Popes, and all of the preists, religious, clergy, and lay people that do their best to uphold all of these things even though the world calls them crazy, outdated and fanatic. We are called to be the salt of the earth and a contradiction to the norms of society. The light in the darkness!
I pray that we will all see each other in heaven and I ask that eveyone pray for me.
God Bless
God Bless
What will I say then? Would I dare say to Jesus; "well I thought it better to find a middle ground?" I mean what would my neighbor think of me if I followed such strict rules and guidelines that would surely make me a laughing stock of the world?” No I think not my brother and sisters I think not. I would rather at my Judgment hear Jesus say; “Well done, good and faithful servant!”—25:21. You were a contradiction to the world for my sake! You followed all my instructions and bore ridicule and persecution from the worldy for my sake! Today you will be with me in Paradise”—Luke 23:43
I pray that all of us hold steadfast in teachings God has handed down to us in Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, The Churches Magisterium, through the venerable, blessed and cannonized Saints, the Popes, and all of the preists, religious, clergy, and lay people that do their best to uphold all of these things even though the world calls them crazy, outdated and fanatic. We are called to be the salt of the earth and a contradiction to the norms of society. The light in the darkness!
I pray that we will all see each other in heaven and I ask that eveyone pray for me.
God Bless
God Bless
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