Modesty in swimsuits

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If anyone causes one of these little ones–those who believe in me–to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
 
Attack the argument not the person, that is one of the community guidelines
 
You don’t have to look frumpy either.😊

Modesty and frumpiness aren’t one and the same.
 
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Satan deceived so many women and men and convinced them that showing off their body is acceptable. I am sure 100 years back church would had condemned swimsuits when they were first introduced.

Cardinal Pla y Daniel, Archbishop of Toledo, Spain, stated in 1959: “A special danger to morals is represented by public bathing at beaches… Mixed bathing between men and women, which is nearly always a proximate occasion of sin and a scandal, must be avoided.”

Imagine in 1959 the bathing suits would have been far more modest that 2019 yet we were advised to avoid mixed bathing . Then think about 2019.

Our Lady said to Sister Lucy at Fatima: “There will be fashions which will greatly offend My Divine Son”

Vast majority of swimsuites represent the fashion that will offend the Divine Son,
 
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When I lived in Hawaii I liked to surf or go canoeing.

I wore long sleeved board shirts and long board shorts up to my knees.

Reason is to protect myself from the sun. I burn easily.
 
Agree but at the same time both men and especaially women need to be careful with what they wear.

If anyone causes one of these little ones–those who believe in me–to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
 
Men and women need to be careful what they wear. I agree, but that doesn’t mean the modesty standards from 100 years need to be followed today. Modesty standards aren’t set in stone and they often shift depending on the culture, time, and situation
 
If you truly want to follow God keep in mind," The heaven and the earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away."
What Mary said in 1917 has not changed and I don’ think is going to change.

Your argument is fine from a secular perspective in my opinion

standards from 100 years need to be followed today.- if that is the case catholic church would have approved gay marriage at least in the western world
 
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Modesty standards are not Church doctrine or moral law. Homesexual acts will always be considered immoral. If we should follow the modesty standards from 100 years why not the ones from 2000 years? Modesty standards also differ between different cultures. So you think the correct modesty standards are Western European standards from 100 years ago?
 
Nothing wrong in following the standards 2000 years back as long as they don’t cause others to lust.
A person has the responsibility to dress in a way that does not expose certain parts of the body, lack of which would cause another to stumble
 
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What about the clothing in African or other native tribes in which women do not wear shirts and only wear a small skirts to cover up in the bottom?

I mean they were not influenced by Western Culture and so they have kept their clothing. Or are only Western or developed world standards correct?
 
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I don’t know for sure but tribes may have been like that forever but swimsuits which is the original question never existed until let’s say 100 years back. I am not from Western world btw.
My answer to rosemj is if your intent is comfort while swimming swimsuits are ok, but if you want to really follow God you may have to very careful with the type of swimsuit that you choose
 
Okay, thank you for sharing. I will try to be modest when wearing a swimsuit, but I personally have nothing against them. I am sorry if you do.
 
quite honestly from my experience and in my opinion this forum is not the right place to get an answer on what modesty is. I have seen in the past that people who talk about modesty are ripped apart.
Ask God what he would consider modest and may take a while but I think you may find an answer
 
“Temptation” is coming from a place deeper in the masculine soul than “self-control” can reach. Men can and must control their outward response to temptation - we can control whether to respond or not, to temptation, but we cannot control the temptation itself, beyond trying to stay away from it. That is why btw, the Church teaches that uninvited temptation itself is not a sin.
CCC 2846 This petition goes to the root of the preceding one, for our sins result from our consenting to temptation; we therefore ask our Father not to “lead” us into temptation…
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2848 “Lead us not into temptation” implies a decision of the heart: “For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also… No one can serve two masters.”<Mt 6:21, 24> “If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.”<Gal 5:25> In this assent to the Holy Spirit the Father gives us strength. “No testing has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your strength, but with the temptation will also provide the way of escape, so that you may be able to endure it.”<1 Cor 10:13>
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Temptations can be “escaped” - and must be “endured” - and can be “endured” without sin, by and with God’s grace. But is that a good thing for women to choose to do? Like drinking a “harmless” beer or three in front of a known struggling but abstaining alcoholic - is that a good thing to do, for his soul?

The question I think a woman ought to ask herself is, concerning her choice of public dress, does she want to lead men into temptations, which can result in sinful thoughts and/or deeds in them?

As a companion to the man, by divine design, I think her vocation regarding men is to be a positive influence in their lives - not a negative one (no matter how much men may try to convince her in the exact opposite direction).

Yes, I know, “it’s not your fault” - “it’s not your problem”. But it is. Sin, and temptations, are everyone’s problem. We are brothers, and sisters, and we are called to help, not hinder, our brothers and sisters in the journey (and battle) of life.
 
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Irishmom2 said:
You need to practice custody of your eyes.
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Salibi said:
Then instead of policing what women wear, learn some self-control.
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Women need to be careful what they wear also. We can’t just say “don’t look” to men.

Sadly @PadrePio Probably the majority of women’s swimsuits today cause some sort of temptation in most men. It makes it very difficult for men and something that is difficult for women to understand.

While it is true men should practice custody of their eyes I agree with you it is also very wrong to cause someone temptation.
 
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Do a Google search in “photos” for “1900’s swimsuits” - quite a difference.
 
Men are not women; women are not men. It is hard (or impossible) to really understand one another - but we need to listen to the other, and try in charity to understand, each how the other perceives things - because we are different, and we perceive things differently.
 
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