Mohamed's name in the Old Testament claim?

[PbloPicasso]

Even if this were true it is completely irrelevant to the topic and the point, which is Islam has different meanings for the same words Christians use. We are not discussing the meaning of baptism in Mormonism; we are discussing what you brought up, and that is that Muslims believe that Jesus was the Messiah, implying that “Messiah” means the same in Islam as Christianity, which it cannot because Islam does not teach that Jesus is the Son of God, the Redeemer, nor the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. Perhaps this is why I’ve never gotten an answer from any Muslim on what it actually does mean to them; such an explanation would more than likely expose a major difference in the two “Messiahs”.

The erroneous claim that “Messiah” means the same in Islam as Christianity is a veiled attempt to convince the unwary that Islam and Christianity have a lot in common, which they do not, and raises the question as to why Islam is always compared to Christianity in the first place [even by Christians] and never some other religion. Is Christianity the yardstick to validate Islam, or to drag Christianity down to Islam’s level … or both?

And then there is still the question, is Islam really a religion?

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

Respect for another’s religion is a requirement, not a suggestion.

 

[Bwtby]

Come on guys, you know giving a truthful straight forward
2) lying to protect his false religion

Lol at false religion.

I have studied into Islam. And I was actually very hopefull; but for islam to be truth you must essentially abandon reason. And worship a God that is the best of decievers. A God that leads astray. While I do believe God can do as he pleases which includes lying or anything else we can dream up I do not believe he ever will.

This is ridiculous.

I don’t believe Muhammad’s name is anywhere in The Bible. Even if it was, it doesn’t prove anything. And the placement of his name in The Song Of Soloman, makes no sense. However, I don’t think Muhammad’s name has to be in The Bible for it to justify Islam.

And to make a point on Deedat, I don’t agree with everything he has to say, but the debates he has had, every ‘Christian’ he debated, made Christianity look like a joke.

I also don’t know why ANY Catholic would down Islam. Catholicism and Islam share so many namely similarities, more so than other Christian denominations, it’s not even funny.

 

[Bwtby]

^ On me?

 

[Bwtby]

I posted them in The Interfaith thread.

3 big ones.

Catholicism is the only Christian faith that believes in Purgatory. Islam teaches of a similar place called Barzakh.

Catholicism is the only Christian faith that holds Mary in the most high regard. Islam holds her the same if not higher. The Quran even details Mary’s early life, explaining how pious, sinless and devoted to her Lord, she was.

Catholicism is the only Christian faith that believes in venial and mortal sin. The Quran also states how sins are greater than each other. Not only that, but the ‘greatest of sins’ and ‘the mortal sins’ are mostly the same.

 

[sedonaman]

I posted them in The Interfaith thread.

3 big ones.

Those aren’t what I’d call the biggies. What about the Golden Rule?

 

[Bwtby]

Barzakh & Purgatory are both intermediate states.

What Christian Churches hold Mary in high regard? All Protestants, Born Agains, evangelicals, all only consider her a ‘vessel’. That’s from their words. Even Baptists, they may show Mary love, but they make sure it’s separate from what ‘we Catholics do’.

I didn’t say The Bible justifies Islam. I said I don’t think Islam needs The Bible to justify itself.

What about the Golden Rule?

 

[Bwtby]

So now I have lack of knowledge about my own faith because I don’t call Islam a false religion? Ha.

Well, I think you are misinformed about Islam and don’t care that you are. Joseph Smith and Mormonism, I hope you believe they are a false religion. Ellen G. White and The Seventh-Day Adventists, I hope you believe they are a false religion. Charles Taze Russell…Jehovah’s Witnesses…false religion…? Martin Luther?

 

[sedonaman]

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Well, I think you are misinformed about Islam and don’t care that you are. Joseph Smith and Mormonism, I hope you believe they are a false religion. Ellen G. White and The Seventh-Day Adventists, I hope you believe they are a false religion. Charles Taze Russell…Jehovah’s Witnesses…false religion…? Martin Luther?

Sr. Mary taught us in first year Catechism in 1949 that they are false because they were established by men and not by God. Was Sr. Mary wrong and damned to hell?

 

[Bwtby]

Sr. Mary taught us in first year Catechism in 1949 that they are false because they were established by men and not by God. Was Sr. Mary wrong and damned to hell?

All religion is established by men. I don’t believe anybody is damned to hell if you don’t follow the same or one religion or believe in everything a sect teaches. We’re all human and interpret things differently. Some other religions bring up good points and good arguments, and I don’t believe God has it out for you if you believe in certain parts of something else. If you are true to yourself, live properly, and feel that you worship the truth, why would anybody go to hell? According to alot of other Christians, we are the false religion, do you believe you’re going to hell?

 

[Bwtby]

You’re taken things too literal. I am saying… the Catholic faith and Islam have similar views. The same similar views alot of… the majority of Christians disagree with… which is why we are heavily separated. …Yet Islam shares with us. I don’t get how Muslims are ‘imperfectly worshipping God’.

 

[sedonaman]

You’re taken things too literal. I am saying… the Catholic faith and Islam have similar views. …

And I’m saying that they both can’t be true; either one or the other, or both, is/are false.

 

[JHow]

… I don’t believe anybody is damned to hell if you don’t follow the same or one religion or believe in everything a sect teaches. We’re all human and interpret things differently. Some other religions bring up good points and good arguments, and I don’t believe God has it out for you if you believe in certain parts of something else. If you are true to yourself, live properly, and feel that you worship the truth, why would anybody go to hell? According to alot of other Christians, we are the false religion, do you believe you’re going to hell?

This is perhaps one of the scariest things written in the Bible:

"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Clearly, not everybody gets into heaven, including many that claim allegiance to Christ. While no one can know, nor even really speculate on the state of someone else’s salvation, your statement is not convincing.

 

[sedonaman]

You’re taken things too literal. I am saying… the Catholic faith and Islam have similar views. …

Conclusions about Islam

So, we conclude from this intensive study that we must reject Islam’s claims as well. There are two main reasons for this rejection. First, though Islam has historically identifiable origins, these origins do not provide any reason for concluding that Mohammed’s teachings are an accurate view of God, the universe, and mankind. … Second, the evidence that Islam does offer to substantiate the accuracy of its claims has shown to be invalid.

 

[sedonaman]

 

[athair_siochain]

All religion is established by men. I don’t believe anybody is damned to hell if you don’t follow the same or one religion or believe in everything a sect teaches. We’re all human and interpret things differently. Some other religions bring up good points and good arguments, and I don’t believe God has it out for you if you believe in certain parts of something else. If you are true to yourself, live properly, and feel that you worship the truth, why would anybody go to hell? According to alot of other Christians, we are the false religion, do you believe you’re going to hell?

We,re all human and interpret things differently, !! the reason we have all been programmed to fit in with the thinking of those who programmed us…

Any one who believes in Hell Fire believes God is cruel.

I believe God is all about love. when God asks us to love our neigbour . God does not add " only if your neigbour is member of your God Club. (RELIGION)
Those people who say other religions are false , shows their hatred of their neighbour, so how can that be good,

There is no Hell Fire

 

[Bwtby]

This is perhaps one of the scariest things written in the Bible:

"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

And what do you think that means? To me, it means the same as

Of the people there are some who say: “We believe in Allah and the Last Day;” but they do not (really) believe. Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not!

Just because one says ‘Lord, Lord’ or ‘We believe’ does not mean they will make it to Heaven… which to me, the quotes are in reference to people we call ‘Spiritualists’ now at days, who believe in a God, but not his laws. And the monotheist God from Judaism, Christianity and Islam… his laws are the same!

 

[JHow]

And what do you think that means?

I think it is an admonition to be very discerning about what we believe and do, because clearly " If you are true to yourself" doesn’t guarantee salvation, neither does “feel that you worship the truth”.

 

[Bwtby]

…it’s refusal to acknowledge Christ for who he truly is… So what about the Jews? They deny the man altogether. Are they false believers as well?

Jesus never said, you’ll go to hell if you don’t believe in me (first person), he always said ‘his Father’. ‘Father’. ‘Him’. So if Jesus was really God, he sure spoke in 3rd person. ‘His Father which art in Heaven’. Obey HIM. …And all monotheists religions do. It’s always all about ‘HIM’. They only differ over a man. And where is one condemned to hell in The Bible over not believing Jesus was God incarnate? The Old Testament says Jesus was to be a ‘sign’. The ‘sign’ came. It’s not like Islam denies Jesus The Messiah, as the Jews do. Jesus even said himself, deny I, it will be forgiven. The Bible is a very metaphorical book. Which leaves endless interpretations. The Quran on other hand is a very straight forward book. You could call the religion imperfect if you want, I suppose, since it doesn’t agree with Jesus being the Son of God, but how it’s incomplete I don’t know. If you say Judaism is incomplete that would make sense. But being incomplete… that was the whole point of Islam is it not? Completion?

 

[Bwtby]

I am not saying they are the same religion.

And what is fudging?? Fudging?