Mohammad and Zainab

[planten]

To sum up again, the matter about Muhammad and Zainab, I may repeat that it was necessary that the last prophet Muhammad marry Zainab to dispell the false and foul teachings of the church about divorce and about not marrying divorced persons. It was necessary to dispell the wrong notions about any adopted or begotten son. It was necessary to tell the world that an adopted son was not any real son and the same thing is about any supposedly begotten son (Jesus). That is all false ideas.

 

[jakasaki]

** Reuben and swariffin have started the **bad words about our prophet Muhammad. ****That was a silly thing to do. Allah did not breath into the private parts of Mary. You want every one to believe the unbelievable things:

In fact, Mary was married since the begining for a purpose and the virgin birth was for a purpose,

but yourself are not ready to believe any decent logical rational thing. How come Mary was married since the beginning when she did not exist? I feel that you people are just joking. You have no religion. You are broken down…

If this is christianity then it is nothing. It appears that you have admitted defeat that is why you are all bent upon foul language. Of course there could be retaliation, in kind…

bad words about our prophet Muhammad.

There have been NO bad words against mohamad. Users have only pointed all of his “characteristics”.

Let’s say I smell real bad and I’m walking down the street passing a few people on the way.

They get a whiff of me… and… OMG… I can hear them say, “wow she’s stinks from here to high heavens…”

These people did not say anything bad about me, they just told the truth…

God Bess…

 

[inJESUS]

Is my english that bad as to mean that Mary’s marriage was eternal ?

Planten, she was married before giving birth, for heaven’s sake.

 

[dolphinlove]

Your God called a young virgin to him and impregnated her. Not even make it ,look like she was raped or somthing , and risking that she can be stoned for adultry.

Are you now calling God a rapist?
How dare you!
We dont know the age of Mary when she conceived Jesus, but i can assure you, it was a miracle from God, and we are his children, and we must not question God for his actions, as they are perfect.
It was Gods will that Jesus was to come here, it was Gods will that Mary was to have Jesus, and since it was Gods will, i will NOT question him.
Mary was a virgin, so how can you justify calling God a rapist? The pregnancy was truly a miracle.

Now, stop attempting to call God a rapist, i dont think he would appreciate it somehow.
Now, what do you call a man who at, 58 years of age has sex with a 9 year old girl? Now that is a rapist!

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

… what do you call a man who at, 58 years of age has sex with a 9 year old girl? Now that is a rapist!

Please , don’t provoke Muslims all the time. There is no age bar in Islam or other major religions
including yours against young marriage. It was a legal marriage .

If u people keep using nasty words about lawful matters , then how can u expect that we will tolerate it without any protest ?

 

[dolphinlove]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Please , don’t provoke Muslims all the time. There is no age bar in Islam or other major religions
including yours against young marriage. It was a legal marriage .

If u people keep using nasty words about lawful matters , then how can u expect that we will tolerate it without any protest ?

I am not provoking anybody, im standing up for God!
If you think its ok for your fellow muslims to say such things about God, i can say what i like about your prophet, the difference is, im not making up things, they are a fact.
I dont care if there is or isnt an age regulation in tact. The fact is, its sick that a 58 year old had sex with a 9 year old.
Its common sense NOT to do such an act, but with the religion that your prophet made up, such things are allowed.
Im sorry if the truth hurts you, but face the facts, this is what your prophet did, and you must accept that.
Or, you could always follow Jesus, who did NO sinning at ALL, was a man of peace and never ever had to do any sort of violence to spread the word.
Go on, compare the 2, i think you might find if there is a good representative of God, its Jesus, and Jesus ONLY.

 

[Reuben_J]

To sum up again, the matter about Muhammad and Zainab, I may repeat that it was necessary that the last prophet Muhammad marry Zainab to dispell the false and foul teachings of the church about divorce and about not marrying divorced persons. It was necessary to dispell the wrong notions about any adopted or begotten son. It was necessary to tell the world that an adopted son was not any real son and the same thing is about any supposedly begotten son (Jesus). That is all false ideas.

To summarize:

**Muslim sexuality derives from Mohammad’s own sexuality. This includes:

• Pedophilia
• Marrying daughter-in-laws
• Marrying others wives; if necessary kill their husbands and relative first in order to get them. Of course is for those who can afford it but in any case it is commonly practiced by Muslim rulers. It is quite common to hear Muslim sultans/kings who would grab other people wives and took them for their own.
• Have sex with slaves; Muslims are allowed to own slaves and these are extra sources for sex.
• Marrying multiple wives.

Other sexual practices that are derived or implied from Mohammad’s teaching:

• Men having sex with young boys.
• Temporary marriages, with a view to obtain legal sex.
• The casualness of marriages; you can divorce your wife just by saying the word divorce and that’s it.

There may be more but this is what I can think for the moment. Anyway these facts have been discussed in some of the present threads here.

Other Muslims sexual practice which I have heard but not too familiar with the actual fact is about having sex with babies. It’s not actual penetration but rubbing male sexual organ against the thighs of babies.

Call them what you want but these are real. And this is Islam and Mohammad.

I wish to emphasize again that all these are derived from Mohammad’s own sexual practice because it is Muslims belief that what he taught he practiced. He taught by examples.**

 

[dolphinlove]

Other Muslims sexual practice which I have heard but not too familiar with the actual fact is about having sex with babies. It’s not actual penetration but rubbing male sexual organ against the thighs of babies.

Oh my goodness, the things that come out of islam will never cease to amaze me. This is sick.

 

[Reuben_J]

I dont care if there is or isnt an age regulation in tact. The fact is, its sick that a 58 year old had sex with a 9 year old.

Its common sense NOT to do such an act, but with the religion that your prophet made up, such things are allowed.

It may be easy to condone that it is morally acceptable for a 58 year old man to marry a 9 year old girl and to have sex with her. To me this is disgusting and worse than animals. I am sorry to be so vehemently blunt against this practice but I cannot accept it for the life of me.

Mohammad was an old geezer, perhaps a bit senile, who abused a child (Aishah) when he took her for his wife. Let Muslims do this kind of marriage if that is what they want but in Christianity it is to be absolutely and totally rejected.

 

[dolphinlove]

It may be easy to condone that it is morally acceptable for a 58 year old man to marry a 9 year old girl and to have sex with her. To me this is disgusting and worse than animals. I am sorry to be so vehemently blunt against this practice but I cannot accept it for the life of me.

Mohammad was an old geezer, perhaps a bit senile, who abused a child (Aishah) when he took her for his wife. Let Muslims do this kind of marriage if that is what they want but in Christianity it is to be absolutely and totally rejected.

Its a fact if a 58 year old man took a 9 year old girl to a church and asked a priest to bless a union between the 2, i can see the priest ringing the police and getting the man arrested. No Catholic priest would ever allow this type of union.

 

[planten]

Is my english that bad as to mean that Mary’s marriage was eternal ?

Planten, she was married before giving birth, for heaven’s sake.

**Thanks inJesus. I know that she was married to Joseph the Carpentar before giving birth to Jesus. She was married to a man. But church says that she was pregnant too. How do you explain such pregnancy? Be real. Talk real now , please.

What do you mean by she (Mary) was eternally married? To Whom? To God Almighty? Please explain.**.

 

[planten]

Its a fact if a 58 year old man took a 9 year old girl to a church and asked a priest to bless a union between the 2, i can see the priest ringing the police and getting the man arrested. No Catholic priest would ever allow this type of union.

Now the subject has been shifted from Zainab to Aisha. That is all bad work of the Catholics. They have admitted that they do not have any sane replies to any objections against the church teachings. They have now come down to open abuse, like the Protestants. First there was one person abusing. Now all have joined hands with their hands up.

Shall we open a chapter for the Catholics and we will let the Catholics work out the illegal birth of jesus and the secret marriage of Jesus to Mary Magd as reported by a very learned man, Leonardo Da Vinci. Also, a son is reported to have been born from the secret marriage of Jesus and Mary Magd.

 

[dolphinlove]

Now the subject has been shifted from Zainab to Aisha. That is all bad work of the Catholics. They have admitted that they do not have any sane replies to any objections against the church teachings. They have now come down to open abuse, like the Protestants. First there was one person abusing. Now all have joined hands with their hands up.

Shall we open a chapter for the Catholics and we will let the Catholics work out the illegal birth of jesus and the secret marriage of Jesus to Mary Magd as reported by a very learned man, Leonardo Da Vinci. Also, a son is reported to have been born from the secret marriage of Jesus and Mary Magd.

So now your going to making up things again to prove your point? very big of you planten, us Catholics only say the truth, we dont need to make up utter rubbish to get our points across.

 

[inJESUS]

In my opinion, nothing can defend the zainab-Muhammad thing; any human who is not obliged to believe Muhammad is a prophet will see this incident for what it really is, a man having desire to a married woman who happens to be the wife of whom he considered a son.

Regarding his marriage to Aisha, the best thing to say is that it was “normal” back then. Yes many things were “normal” in 7th century Arabian desert mentality, but Muhammad is supposed to be the example of all ages and all people and his example of marriage to Aisha resulted in traumatized little girls throughout ages, and this is a fact

 

[doughnut]

This is freaky. I used to think of Muslims in a rather favorable light, and having quite a number of Muslim friends, they were nice people, I was often under the impressions that they were misunderstood, and misrepresented by a few extremeist, and unneccessarily hated.

After reading the posts of a few muslim representations on this board, I’m truly frightened. If that is how devouted Muslims looked at an issue (I am inclined to give more credit to muslim contributors than what non-muslims said in regards to Islamic faith of course) and with the large population of Muslims in the world, I do fear terribly now.

 

[meedo]

Oh my goodness, the things that come out of islam will never cease to amaze me. This is sick.

I think that happens in your wet dreams and not in islam. Can you get proof?

 

[Reuben_J]

In my opinion, nothing can defend the zainab-Muhammad thing; any human who is not obliged to believe Muhammad is a prophet will see this incident for what it really is, a man having desire to a married woman who happens to be the wife of whom he considered a son.

Regarding his marriage to Aisha, the best thing to say is that it was “normal” back then. Yes many things were “normal” in 7th century Arabian desert mentality, but Muhammad is supposed to be the example of all ages and all people and his example of marriage to Aisha resulted in traumatized little girls throughout ages, and this is a fact

A profound statement indeed. It all boils down to this : Mohammad – Zainab affair is indefensible. It is only defended because of the Quranic revelation that Mohammad received. However, there is big problem for this. Muslims here refused to acknowledge this was an affair where Mohammad did have an interest in Zainab. Any other explanation would put their Allah and Mohammad in a bad light indeed.

The marriage to Aishah in all fairness can be put in a different thread altogether. I am seeing it from pedophilia and children abuse, while Zainab is more about the casualness of Muslim marriages. But the big point here is if Mohammad teachings albeit Quran is for ages, then it fails tremendously.

 

[Reuben_J]

doughnut:

This is freaky. I used to think of Muslims in a rather favorable light, and having quite a number of Muslim friends, they were nice people, I was often under the impressions that they were misunderstood, and misrepresented by a few extremeist, and unneccessarily hated.

After reading the posts of a few muslim representations on this board, I’m truly frightened. If that is how devouted Muslims looked at an issue (I am inclined to give more credit to muslim contributors than what non-muslims said in regards to Islamic faith of course) and with the large population of Muslims in the world, I do fear terribly now.

In some areas of Islamic doctrines, yes, I agree, you and I should fear them. I fear for the women and the children who are regarded less than pieces of meat and personal properties. Islamic laws gives Muslim men such insurmountable leverage that their women practically are defenseless against them. Even if they can appeal but because the Islamic laws give Muslim men such partial leeway, they will have their ways ultimately against the women.

There are other aspect of Islamic laws and doctrines that you can be afraid of but they are not covered in this thread.

 

[Sam_777]

dolphinlove;4777459:

Its a fact if a 58 year old man took a 9 year old girl to a church and asked a priest to bless a union between the 2, i can see the priest ringing the police and getting the man arrested. No Catholic priest would ever allow this type of union.

Shall we open a chapter for the Catholics and we will let the Catholics work out the illegal birth of jesus and the secret marriage of Jesus to Mary Magd as reported by a very learned man, Leonardo Da Vinci. Also, a son is reported to have been born from the secret marriage of Jesus and Mary Magd.

This is will be my last post for you planten if you continue to post that same blasphemy, you are not only blaspheming against Christianity, but also against Islam, its clearly mentioned in YOUR quran the birth of Jesus and his ascend to heaven.

(Quran 3:45): “Behold! the angels said: "O Maryam! Allah giveth Thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Al-Masih 'Isa. The son of Maryam, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;”

(Quran 4:158): “Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.”

 

[planten]

This is will be my last post for you planten if you continue to post that same blasphemy, you are not only blaspheming against Christianity, but also against Islam, its clearly mentioned in YOUR quran the birth of Jesus and his ascend to heaven.

(Quran 3:45): “Behold! the angels said: "O Maryam! Allah giveth Thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Al-Masih 'Isa. The son of Maryam, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;”

(Quran 4:158): “Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.”

Please do not quote Quran to me to prove the purity of Mary. That is all beside the point. Try to advise your name sake cathoilcs to behave themselves about our prophet Muhammad and about our religion (Islam). If they desist from scandal then I will also not remind you of anything against your beliefs.

You have seen the abuse in many posts but did you speak up a word against that?. So it seems that you supported the abusers. And Mary and Jesus were not any more pious than Zainab and Muhammad. If you are disturbed by my writing then move in the right direction and come out against all abuse.

Allah did not raise Jesus up onto Himself in body. Jesus died here in this world at the age of 120 years and got buried. Only his soul was lifted upto heavens like the souls of all other prophets of God.
I suggest that you should not be hurt by my writings only. If you are a fair person then you should feel hurt by the bad writings of every one.