Mohammad

[Amir_the_Masihi]

Alrighty then - I am so not familiar with what you wrote about “eat the dung of animals”…

And I will inform you that I know the koran pretty good.

So - please post the sura/ayah regarding this.

The Qur’an speaks relatively little of Muhammad. Even less so of his followers. Indeed, there are more ayah concerning Jesus than there are of Muhammad.

If Ranp is correct, you’re more likely to find this “dung” story in the ahadith. Though, I’ve never heard of such a narration; it’s most likely a da’if or mawdu narration (weak or fabricated).

 

[thegame_786]

Are you saying that Mohammed did not appeal to prior scripture for validation of his prophethood? Because if you are, then you are in essence admitting that he is not a prophet of God, in which case I’ll be more than happy to agree with you.

Ok for the last time. Il give you an example. There is one book that has got a list of all fa premier league champions and the league table. later on there is another book that gives all the results that occured in all seasons.
Lets say a chelsea supporter changed the first book so that chelsea won a few more titles and finished always in the top 2. Obviously it would be impossible or very hard to change everything. Some data in the first book will still bve true but a lot of it will be wrong.
So some guy looks at the second book and looks at all the results, tallys up the points and then uses this information to look at the first book and to see if the results with the second book collaborate with the first. if they collaborate then that part of the first book is still true and hasn’t been changed.
This is similar to the Quran and Bible. If it is in the Quran and and then we find it in the Bible then it is verified (e.g bieng good to parents is in both books, simple example I know)
If it is not in the Quran or goes against Islam and it is in the Bible than it is wrong e.g Jesus Christ is the son of God.
As for this previous scriptures validating our prophet, than there are a lot of muslims who claim that our prophet is in the Bible. I have not studied that in depth so it wouldn;t be right to comment on it. But il still give my pennys worth lol. i personally believe that our prophet (pbuh) has been mentioned in the bible as the truthful one which was a name given to him before he even became a prophet due to his great personality. But thats my opinion.
Please don’t start all this you can’t believe in parts of the bible and call the rest corrupted that you don’t agree with. Yes we can do that as muslims.

 

[thegame_786]

How could one be a prophet and at the same time have sex with little girls, take innocent people’s freedom away through war,and hold power with the sword. Mohammad sounds more like the prophet of the devil, that surely doesn’t sound like qualities of a all powerful and loving God. Saint Paul was a loving and caring man who never had sex or raped babies like the thug called Mohammad!

You knw why this thread went from Muhammad (pbuh) to Paul is because of idiots like this guy. If this knob gets me alL agitated to the point where i want to retaliate than the obvious person i am going to speak about is Paul. I can’t say anything about Jesus or Mary. But no point in offending other people. I will though call the person who wrote this a slimy mother****er who will rot in hell with his vile offspring

Ban me. I DON;T CARE,

 

[LDNCatholic]

The question seems a bit iffy. I believe you are trying to imply that Islam holds the devil in high regards therfore its a religion from the devil lol.

No. From what I gather here is the Islamic belief about Jesus and Christians.

0-33 AD Jesus is born, lives, preaches Islam and is not crucified.

34AD onward Christianity is immediately led astray

Why would God allow the true religion to be brought back only to instantly lead it astray by allowing the devil to influence Saint Paul?

 

[noobio]

You knw why this thread went from Muhammad (pbuh) to Paul is because of idiots like this guy. If this knob gets me alL agitated to the point where i want to retaliate than the obvious person i am going to speak about is Paul. I can’t say anything about Jesus or Mary. But no point in offending other people. I will though call the person who wrote this a slimy mother****er who will rot in hell with his vile offspring

Ban me. I DON;T CARE,

You where the first one to mention Paul in post 13. It was you who made the thread go from Muhammad to Paul.

You said

Muslims think Paul got influenced by the Devil and led christians away from worshipping the true God. Thats why I’m hoping Jesus (pbuh) will come back soon to clarify it all up

 

[noobio]

You knw why this thread went from Muhammad (pbuh) to Paul is because of idiots like this guy. If this knob gets me alL agitated to the point where i want to retaliate than the obvious person i am going to speak about is Paul. I can’t say anything about Jesus or Mary. But no point in offending other people. I will though call the person who wrote this a slimy mother****er who will rot in hell with his vile offspring

Ban me. I DON;T CARE,

You where the first one to mention Paul in post 13. It was you who made the thread go from Muhammad to Paul.

You said

Muslims think Paul got influenced by the Devil and led christians away from worshipping the true God. Thats why I’m hoping Jesus (pbuh) will come back soon to clarify it all up.

 

[sedonaman]

… If it is in the Quran and and then we find it in the Bible then it is verified (e.g bieng good to parents is in both books, simple example I know)
If it is not in the Quran or goes against Islam and it is in the Bible than it is wrong e.g Jesus Christ is the son of God.

OK. Where in the Koran is the Sermon on the Mount that Jesus, the great prophet of Islam, gave? It is in the NT. Is it in the Koran? If not, why not? Is it a “corruption” also?

As for this previous scriptures validating our prophet, than there are a lot of muslims who claim that our prophet is in the Bible. …

I am familiar with that fabrication. Islam is so desparate for validation by the Bible, it had to invent this claim.

Please don’t start all this you can’t believe in parts of the bible and call the rest corrupted that you don’t agree with. Yes we can do that as muslims.

Do Muslims have something special that allows them to do that?

 

[sedonaman]

What is the obsession with muslims and St. Paul…??

St. Paul taught Christ crucified. Need I say more?

 

[sedonaman]

Man I’m not reading all that. If you could be kind enough to quote the Quran verses or point me to them and il do my best to explain why you’re wrong.

You ask for a few quotes in the Koran, but I’ve been down that road before, many times, and it leads to your claiming I “took the quotes out of context.” But the author takes the context of the whole Koran to prove his thesis, not just a few verses that can be easily re-interpreted extemporaneously. Thus, he avoids the “taken-out-of-context” charge. I have read it all from beginning to end; you don’t want to because you’re afraid you’ll be proven wrong.

 

[jakasaki]

The Qur’an speaks relatively little of Muhammad. Even less so of his followers. Indeed, there are more ayah concerning Jesus than there are of Muhammad.

If Ranp is correct, you’re more likely to find this “dung” story in the ahadith. Though, I’ve never heard of such a narration; it’s most likely a da’if or mawdu narration (weak or fabricated).

Perhaps there is some “dung” story in the hadiths, but the poster said it’s in the koran and I know it is not.

Now, if the poster made a reference to the hadiths, then I’d say OK - but then again, I would ask the poster to post that specific hadith.

 

[sedonaman]

You where the first one to mention Paul in post 13. It was you who made the thread go from Muhammad to Paul. …

This is an old tactic among Muslim bloggers. Change the subject from Islam/Mohammed to Christianity. Get Christians to spend time explaining Christianity and thus limit time spent questioning [AKA “insulting”] Islam and Mohammed". It has also been called jihad of the pen.

 

[arabic_catholic]

Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist–he denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 2:22

Mohamed preached a religion which says Jesus is not the son of God so he is an anti-christ

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute

2 peter 2

mohamed and his followers denied the crucifixion of Jesus therefore denies the Lord who bought them by his cross

you see when we were muslim , we never knew what is the meaning of the cross , and muslims will often tell you that allah saved Jesus from the death and took him to heaven

however this is against history and logic and even against the early christian writings

but the Muslims will never know what is the meaning of the cross!( Allah know best!)

they just want to believe that Islam is the true religion , and don’t want to see the big picture.

so they - and satanist- share a common thing , they are both against the cross

Mohamed no way is a prophet from God , and by the our book he is an anti - christ!

 

[noobio]

(Edited)

-Jesus willingly sacrificed himself. "The Father loves me because I sacrifice my life so I may take it back again. 18 No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.” ( John 10:17-19).

-When Jesus said "my God my God why have you forsaken me he was fulfilling a prophecy in Psalm 22.

-Jesus did pray so that his suffering can be taken away.You have to remember he was human, and therefore he was able to be afraid. But, Jesus was still willing to die.

Mark 14:49 “Every day I was with you, teaching in the temple courts, and you did not arrest me. But the Scriptures must be fulfilled.” When Jesus said, the scriptures must be full filled, he is laying down his life, so he can suffer or die on the cross to fulfil the OT.

Matthew 26:42 "He went away a second time and prayed, “My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.”

So, even after Jesus prayed that his suffering may be taken away, Jesus still gave himself to the Father.

 

[noobio]

Ok for the last time. Il give you an example. There is one book that has got a list of all fa premier league champions and the league table. later on there is another book that gives all the results that occured in all seasons.
Lets say a chelsea supporter changed the first book so that chelsea won a few more titles and finished always in the top 2. Obviously it would be impossible or very hard to change everything. Some data in the first book will still bve true but a lot of it will be wrong.
So some guy looks at the second book and looks at all the results, tallys up the points and then uses this information to look at the first book and to see if the results with the second book collaborate with the first. if they collaborate then that part of the first book is still true and hasn’t been changed.
This is similar to the Quran and Bible. If it is in the Quran and and then we find it in the Bible then it is verified (e.g bieng good to parents is in both books, simple example I know)
If it is not in the Quran or goes against Islam and it is in the Bible than it is wrong e.g Jesus Christ is the son of God.
As for this previous scriptures validating our prophet, than there are a lot of muslims who claim that our prophet is in the Bible. I have not studied that in depth so it wouldn;t be right to comment on it. But il still give my pennys worth lol. i personally believe that our prophet (pbuh) has been mentioned in the bible as the truthful one which was a name given to him before he even became a prophet due to his great personality. But thats my opinion.
Please don’t start all this you can’t believe in parts of the bible and call the rest corrupted that you don’t agree with. Yes we can do that as muslims.

Are you saying the bible has been changed ? If you think so then prove it. Just because the Qur’an says the bible is corrupted, that does not mean its true. I have seen all the passages that Muslims sight to prove Muhammad is in the bible, they all fail.

Also, what does the NT have in common n with the Quran ? We read in the NT, that Jesus is the son of God, crucified for the world because God loved us so much and our sins are forgiven because of that act, a resurrection, there is a fulfilment of the law, The concept of the Trinity is in the NT, the deity of Jesus is biblical. Where can I find any of this in the Quran. Where is any of this in the Quran ?

 

[KathleenGee]

In the history of revealed truth…God choosing to speak to man through chosen, mortal men who had true faith in Him…

Looking at the story of man’s beginning…Adam and Eve were given the Garden of Eden. They were in friendship with God, Who Himself is Wisdom. They had everything they needed, but were forbidden to eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good vs Evil.

It was Lucifer now coming to Eve as a most beautiful of creatures, tempting her to eat and to become as the gods…she did eat, and then shared with Adam, and then God spoke to them and they were ashamed.

The serpent was reduced to crawl, the woman was placed in dominion under her husband, loosing their original, reciprocating friendship, and the man had to toil the earth for a living by the sweat of his brow.

So, here the Light of God is made available to first man and woman. But then Satan appears in deception, and gives them a new idea to find happiness…disobeying God, mistrusting Him, and eating the Forbidden Fruit…which…makes man think he can be as God…superior…and decides who lives and who dies, when this is best kept to God alone.

God alone is the Author of Life. To say God changed His teachings through Christ, and now it was OK to kill and feel superior over others because of some kind of religion, this alone creates hatred and fratricide…the marks of destruction and death, not life and peace.

Jesus, then prophesized in the Old Testament would be no stranger to suffering…the ends that Adam and Eve were given for tasting the Forbidden Fruit. But Jesus Christ is the new Tree, Who Himself was prophesized in Isaiah who would die on a tree…

Jesus is the New Adam, His Eucharist the new Bread and Wine that gives us new life, strength to avoid sin, and to be united with Him in offering atonement for our sins at the Mass.

When we receive the Eucharist, we are not receiving that body and blood of Christ Who died on the Cross…We are receiving the Body and Blood of the Risen Christ Who gives us love, joy, and a new vision on life, and delivers us from ignorance, sin, and hate.

Revealed Truth comes to us. And the Evil One always comes later with another story…that leads to sin and death.

 

[noobio]

You knw why this thread went from Muhammad (pbuh) to Paul is because of idiots like this guy. If this knob gets me alL agitated to the point where i want to retaliate than the obvious person i am going to speak about is Paul. I can’t say anything about Jesus or Mary. But no point in offending other people. I will though call the person who wrote this a slimy mother****er who will rot in hell with his vile offspring

Ban me. I DON;T CARE,

If you want speak about Jesus why would you speak about Paul ? Jesus was the one who revealed himself to Paul and that was caused Paul to preach what he believed.

Also, don’t you think you should always show respect to someone no matter what they say ?

 

[noobio]

If you want speak about Jesus why would you speak about Paul ? Jesus was the one who revealed himself to Paul and that was caused Paul to preach what he believed.

Also, don’t you think you should always show respect to someone no matter what they say ?

I meant to say “if you are not going to speak about Jesus”.I just saw that mistake.

 

[Tyuiop411]

From my reading of the Qu’ran (though it was some time ago) I don’t think that it ever says that the Jewish and Christian scriptures are corrupted. I’m inclined to think the idea that the Gospel and the Tanakh are corrupted came later when some Islamic theologians realized that neither of them towed the Qu’ranic line.

 

[KathleenGee]

I would like to know what perceptions Muslims have my previous post.

 

[sedonaman]

…Also, don’t you think you should always show respect to someone no matter what they say ?

That’s kind of a broad and sweeping statement. How much respect would you have for someone you know is lying to you to get your confidence so he can swindle you?