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noobio
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The St.Paul that Jesus believed in is the real Jesus. Paul believed Jesus was crucifified and ressurected. He also believed Jesus is God. Why would anyone believe in a book about Jesus written after 600 years Paul ? Why would God allow people to worship a false God for 600 years ? I rather believe the writtings of Paul who was led by thew Holy Spirit.Muslims think Paul got influenced by the Devil and led christians away from worshipping the true God. Thats why I’m hoping Jesus (pbuh) will come back soon to clarify it all up
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roelblomsma
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I’d like to invite all of you to read the qu’ran and the the by muslims accepted versions of Mohammed’s biography. It will become clear that this ‘prophet’ was actually a tyrannical warlord who was quite pleased after having killed and plundered village after village, especially when he had an exuse to murder women in horrible ways. I understand that tolerance and religious should go hand in hand, and that we christians should give a good example, but unfortunately, the Islam is out on world domination, the installation of the Sariha among all people. Also, I’d strongly recommend any christian not to travel to any ‘moderate’ islam state, because there is no tolerance and no mercy for those who claim Jesus is God. Neither in the qu’ran nor in the eyes of the muslims. Mohammed is the Anti-Christ in all ways you can imagine.
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sedonaman
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That’s a good question, but apparently that’s what he [more specifically, Allah] did.
"Deceptive God, Incompetent Messiah: What Islam Really Teaches About Allah and Jesus
By David Wood
answering-islam.org/Authors/Wood/deceptive_god.htm
Islam is a problematic religion, if it can be called a religion, of which I have serious doubts. I say problematic because any of its claims regarding its relationship with Judaism and Christianity and its view of the nature of God, Man, and the Universe do not hold up to in-depth questions.
Mohammed starts out by claiming to be the last in the line of prophets beginning with Abraham, down to and including Jesus and His apostles. The first test of a true prophet is whether or not he contradicts prior revealed truth. Any reading of Islam will immediately reveal that Mohammed does contradict prior truth. He also relies on OT and NT scriptures to verify his prophethood. So the question then arises as to why does anyone need Mohammed, because the OT and NT do not allow for him? Those scriptures were “corrupted” by the Jews and early Christians is Islam’s answer. But Islam then runs into a more difficult question: how can Islam be true if it relies on “corrupted” scriptures? Any idea that relies on error is itself in error.
Then we have the non-crucifixion of Jesus. His actual crucifixion has been verified by an independent source, Josephus, who was a Jewish historian at the time. Since rejection of Jesus’ salvific sacrifice is critical to the success of Islam, an alternate explanation had to be concocted to explain His sudden disappearance. So we have the notion that Allah swept him up to heaven and made it only appear that He was crucified. It would be understandable for Allah to want to deceive his enemies, but why would he want to deceive even the followers of one of his mighty prophets who would then spread the falsehood that He was crucified and rose from the dead? Since Jesus is alleged to have taught Islam, one could assume with some certainty that He would have taught it to His followers also, otherwise He would serve no purpose for Islam, and his early followers wouldn’t have anything to “corrupt”. And so Islam is left with, “Allah deceives whom he wishes.”
For detailed reading, see “Evidentiary Religions – Islam Introduction”
biblestudying.net/islam1.html
Also see, “St. John of Damascus Critique of Islam”
orthodoxinfo.com/general/stjohn_islam.aspx
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thegame_786
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First of all I am sorry if i causes any good people any offence. What made me laugh in this was that I mention Paul and somebody says what are muslims obsession with Paul. Apart from my post I don’t think many muslims have mentioned Paul on this forum. But one mention from me and muslims are obsessed.
Come on people. If anything some catholics are obsessed with Allah and his prophet Muhammad (pbuh). They seem to enjoy posting inflammatory remarks and then act innocent when a muslim retaliates by saying muslims can’t take critiscism.
To be honest after reading the anti-islamic posts something snapped in me and I just had to give some people a taste of their own medicine so to speak. I’ve got no opinion on Paul to be honest. He could have corrupted christianity or he could have been a true disciple of Christ. Either way it doesn’t bother me.
All i want to say to anyone who was offended by my previous posts in this thread is that this was a saint and you got offended. Imagine how muslims feel about the stuff that is said about Allah and his Prophet
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thegame_786
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Ok can you show me where in the Quran or hadeeth it says that the Quran relies on the Bible for its authenticity. Im really curious that you found this. Can you give any sources. Or is just this mindless talk to prove Islam is false. Cos you can say it but it doesn’t mean its true. Yes we believe that the Bible was the true book and we believe it was corrupted. But when have muslims said that this Bible that has been corrupted can be used to verify the Quran.
You are getting confused between muslims using the Quran to verify certain passages in the Bible and using Bible passages to verify the Quran. I hope this clears your misunderstanding (I bet it doesn’t though).
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sedonaman
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You obviously didn’t read the references I provided in my post. THIS biblestudying.net is the one that cites the Islamic verses you asked for.
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Ranp
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Jesus Christ feed 5,000 with a little bread and a few fish.
The followers of Mohammad had so little to eat that the Koran records that they had to eat the dung of animals.
Doesn’t sound like God was listening to the prayers of Mohammad and his followers.
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thegame_786
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Jesus Christ feed 5,000 with a little bread and a few fish.
The followers of Mohammad had so little to eat that the Koran records that they had to eat the dung of animals.
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That was hilarious. Not. Seriously what was that about. What were you trying to prove. Your God gave Jesus a party before getting him tortured and killed like a mad donkey who kicked a VIP.
I'd rather eat dung then be killed horribly. Or wait. Maybe Jesus enjoyed it. Maybe he didn't look upto the heavens and ask God why he was forsaken. Wasn't Jesus praying then lol and why didn't God listen.
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thegame_786
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Man I’m not reading all that. If you could be kind enough to quote the Quran verses or point me to them and il do my best to explain why you’re wrong.
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LDNCatholic
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You’re wrong. Saint Paul is a common topic.
You still haven’t answered my question,
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sedonaman
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Are you saying that Mohammed did not appeal to prior scripture for validation of his prophethood? Because if you are, then you are in essence admitting that he is not a prophet of God, in which case I’ll be more than happy to agree with you.
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FaithJoy
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How could one be a prophet and at the same time have sex with little girls, take innocent people’s freedom away through war,and hold power with the sword. Mohammad sounds more like the prophet of the devil, that surely doesn’t sound like qualities of a all powerful and loving God. Saint Paul was a loving and caring man who never had sex or raped babies like the thug called Mohammad!
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jakasaki
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Whoa there…!!
With only 20 posts & being a “newbie”… you hardly qualify to state that “… I don’t think many muslims have mentioned Paul on this forum…”
It’s been mentioned by all CAF muslim members - even the Ahmadis for many years.
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There is a disconnect within Islam in that Islam considers itself the actual interpreter of Judaism and Christianity.
I have read a great misunderstanding and denial of the historical Christ and St. Paul, as well as Islam’s inability to understand Christ’s message and fulfillment of Biblical prophecies.
Islam can interpret itself, but not Judeo-Christianity, let alone acknowledge the Jews’ covenant of the Land with the Lord.
A good arbitrator would be for Muslims here to dialogue with Amir.
I have read a great misunderstanding and denial of the historical Christ and St. Paul, as well as Islam’s inability to understand Christ’s message and fulfillment of Biblical prophecies.
Islam can interpret itself, but not Judeo-Christianity, let alone acknowledge the Jews’ covenant of the Land with the Lord.
A good arbitrator would be for Muslims here to dialogue with Amir.
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jakasaki
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Alrighty then - I am so not familiar with what you wrote about “eat the dung of animals”…Jesus Christ feed 5,000 with a little bread and a few fish.
The followers of Mohammad had so little to eat that the Koran records that they had to eat the dung of animals.
And I will inform you that I know the koran pretty good.
So - please post the sura/ayah regarding this.
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BraveNewFamily
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Answer :NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!
He was not a prophet from God in any way.
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thegame_786
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The question seems a bit iffy. I believe you are trying to imply that Islam holds the devil in high regards therfore its a religion from the devil lol. I might be reading too much into the way you phrased your question and if im wrong i apolagise.P.S. I’m not saying the devil is more powerful than God but it is fair to say that he is powerful and extremely manipulative. I don;t need to give any proof for this. Just have a look around you.
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Agreed. But his power is nothing compared to God.
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