Mohammed the peace maker

[algebra]

Mohammed taught moderation in behaviour.

I do not believe that Mohammed was “inspired” by G_D.

He was just the political and spiritual leader of his people. A gifted man in the ways of the world.
A rare man, because power corrupts completely; however Mohammed was remarkably resistant to the corrosiveness of the power he wielded.

I only post this because there are many posts that unfairly malign his character.

I was a muslim, currently married to a muslim. So my knowledge of his teaching - islam, is perhaps deeper than that of most people on this board.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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Salaam/peace

…I was a muslim, currently married to a muslim. .

A Muslim woman can not marry a non-Muslim . So , you are a woman who left Islam , became a Jew & married a Muslim man ? That’s really very interesting. I think , it’s the first time I heard that a Muslim woman became a Jew.

Did u write your convert to Judaism in any website ? Pl. share the link. Thanks.

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

What is your concept of a “inspired” by G_D?

Is there any person in the past whom you think he was an ispired man from GodAllahParmehserYHWH?

Do you make a distinction between “inspiration” and “revelation”?

Thanks

 

[Sam_777]

I was a muslim, currently married to a muslim.

Hi **algebra,

** Please can you tell us what was the reaction of your husband when he knew that, and what the things in Islam that led you to do that?

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

Mohammed taught moderation in behaviour.

I do not believe that Mohammed was “inspired” by G_D.

He was just the political and spiritual leader of his people. A gifted man in the ways of the world.
A rare man, because power corrupts completely; however Mohammed was remarkably resistant to the corrosiveness of the power he wielded.

I only post this because there are many posts that unfairly malign his character.

I was a muslim, currently married to a muslim. So my knowledge of his teaching - islam, is perhaps deeper than that of most people on this board.

I don’t think Muhammad deserves the generosity you’ve given him, because I believe Jesus was crucified and he denied this historical fact.

 

[paarsurrey]

“I believe Jesus was crucified and he denied this historical fact”.

I don’t think that Jesus was crucified on Cross. This is only a mythical concept invented by Paul at Rome; and the Catholic Church only towed his line. History does not prove that Jesus died on Cross.

I don’t think that it has a direct bearing on peace making efforts of Muhammad - the Khatamun Nabiyyeen. Jesus not dieing on Cross and dieing a natural and peaceful death in India is more peace promoting than dieing on Cross at hands of the errant Jews of his time.

The Krishna/Christ **Second Coming 1835-1908 **has elaborated these points in his famous book:

alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/index.html.

1. Introduction: This mentions as to how Jesus not dieing on Cross is peace promoting in the world.
2. Chapter-1: gives arguments from deep study of Bible that Jesus did not die on Cross.
3. Chapter-2: is on the evidence of the Holy Quran and authentic traditions in proof of Jesus’ survival from the Cross.
4. Chapter-3: evidence derived from the books of medicine of that time.
5. Chapter-4: Evidence from books of history:

SECTION 1: Evidence from ancient Islamic books which contain a mention of Jesus’ journey towards India.
6. SECTION 2: Evidence from books on Buddhism.
7. SECTION 3: On the evidence from books of history which show that the coming of Jesus to the Punjab and neighboring territories was inevitable.

One may read the book as a whole, a short book, or the chapter one feels most interested.

I love Jesus and Mary as I love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

 

[FightingFat]

I don’t think that Jesus was crucified on Cross. This is only a mythical concept invented by Paul at Rome; and the Catholic Church only towed his line. History does not prove that Jesus died on Cross.

This Islamic tendency is clearly Docetic. In fact, the crucifixion of Jesus is the most widely accepted fact about Him, attested to by extra-biblical sources which contain information independent of the New Testament documents. The Babylonian Talmud, for instance, in the treatise on the Sanhedrin says about Jesus: “On the eve of the Passover Jesus was hanged.”

Likewise Josephus Flavius, the well-known Jewish historian, mentions the crucifixion of Jesus in his Antiquitates Judaicae.

All the Gospel traditions and the Pauline letters report the crucifixion of Jesus. In this matter, even the most skeptical critics accept their testimony, and there is a very good reason why. For the Early Church the execution of Jesus as a common criminal, abandoned by God and men, was the greatest scandal she had to face. She had to accept that Jesus was the Messiah in spite of His complete failure. There was nothing in the messianic traditions of Israel that would have made plausible the death of the Messiah as part of a divine plan. Thus it is highly implausible that the Early Church would have invented an end for Jesus that would have made Christian preaching more difficult and missionary work less successful.

This argument also stands for the validity of the datum that both the Sanhedrin and the Roman procurator, Pontius Pilate, were involved in the trial of Jesus, which would not have been favourable publicity among the loyal Gentile citizens of the Roman Empire or the Jewish people!

No, the only conclusion one can draw from the evidence is that the New Testament traditions preserved the fact of the crucifixion and death of Jesus in spite of the embarrassment it caused for the Church, simply because it was the TRUTH.

Even Soviet historians (who clung the longest to the 19th century view that Jesus was merely a myth, a symbolic projection of the messianic expectations of the masses craving for liberation) have eventually conceded that Jesus was a historical person executed under Roman law.

 

[ralphinal]

Peace is not the time when there is no conflict because everyone is forced to agree. Peace is the time when you accept Christ and become a true temple of The Holy Spirit. No matter how the seas of life toss you, you are at peace as an adopted child of God, not a slave.

 

[spoiltvictorian]

Algebra, I don’t agree. Also, your username reminded me that the “arabic” numerals are really Hindu numerals, learned from Islam’s murderous, greedy, destructive invasions of India.

 

[Sister_Amy]

How are you doing these days, algebra?

I haven’t seen you around in a while.

 

[algebra]

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Salaam/peace

A Muslim woman can not marry a non-Muslim . So , you are a woman who left Islam , became a Jew & married a Muslim man ? That’s really very interesting. I think , it’s the first time I heard that a Muslim woman became a Jew.

Did u write your convert to Judaism in any website ? Pl. share the link. Thanks.

No I am jewish by birth, I accepted islam when I married my wife.
Its a long story, if you are interested in knowing about it feel free to ask me in pm.

 

[algebra]

Hi

What is your concept of a “inspired” by G_D?

Is there any person in the past whom you think he was an ispired man from GodAllahParmehserYHWH?

Do you make a distinction between “inspiration” and “revelation”?

Thanks

There is a distinction between inspiration and revelation.

I could very well be inspired in my actions by G_D, however I was not given any revelation.

I believe certain jewish prophets could only have been inspired by G_D. Indeed the apostles of Jesus definitely were inspired by G_D.

Why do I believe that Mohammed was not ‘inspired’?

Some islamic laws are bound in the culture and time of 7th century arabia.

If Mohammed was inspired the laws he taught would transgress time, be as relevant today as they were then.

However this is not the case. Some laws are good. Some are downright misogynistic.

 

[algebra]

Hi **algebra,

** Please can you tell us what was the reaction of your husband when he knew that, and what the things in Islam that led you to do that?

I am a man, I converted to be able to marry my wife. Having said that, I spent a good deal of time learning islam.

 

[algebra]

I don’t think Muhammad deserves the generosity you’ve given him, because I believe Jesus was crucified and he denied this historical fact.

Why does it bother you that he should do this - deny the death of Jesus?

You know the truth - be content.

As for Mohammed, even if he verbally denied the death of Christ.

With his every generous action he affirmed G_Ds generosity to us, and therein the death of Christ.

 

[algebra]

Peace is not the time when there is no conflict because everyone is forced to agree. Peace is the time when you accept Christ and become a true temple of The Holy Spirit. No matter how the seas of life toss you, you are at peace as an adopted child of God, not a slave.

A good point, at no point did Mohammed teach or force anyone to agree with him.

Indeed at no point did Christians or Jews ever have to convert to islam by force.

 

[TomaszA]

A rare man, because power corrupts completely; however Mohammed was remarkably resistant to the corrosiveness of the power he wielded.

I’m not so sure he was as resistant as you think.

When we compare the Meccan and Medinan Surat we can sense a certain distinction. In Mecca the Muslims were ostracized and had no means of defending themselves, you tend to get a “Turn thy cheek” attitude from these surat, commanding Muslims to be patient in difficult times and trust in God. When Muhammad and his followers moved to Yathrib the situation changed, now he had a larger group of followers capable of fighting and he certainly used them to raid Meccan caravans. These raids ultimately led to the battle of Badr which the Muslims won. This victory was used to show that God was on Muhammad’s side, and in time more people embraced his religion until it was an even greater force.

As Muhammad grew in power I think his zeal for greatness increased as well. We are all familiar with the fact that he had more wives than he ever permitted his followers. Although it is true that some of his marriages were political, i.e. strengthening tribal ties, many were not. One of the most unfortunate cases is Muhammad’s marriage to Zaynab, if I’m not mistaken this was the wife of Muhammad’s adopted son, whom Muhammad got to divorce so that he could marry her. Of course, the reason Muslims give is that God wanted to show that such marriages were permissible, I personally don’t find such an explanation convincing.

There are other issues, far more serious, but these are instances that I personally believe reflect the carnality of Muhammad.

 

[algebra]

How are you doing these days, algebra?

I haven’t seen you around in a while.

Well, thank you for asking.

 

[algebra]

These raids ultimately led to the battle of Badr which the Muslims won. This victory was used to show that God was on Muhammad’s side, and in time more people embraced his religion until it was an even greater force.

The raids were usually conducted to recoup the losses the muslims faced being forced into exile by the meccans.

I do not believe Mohammed was a messenger of G_D.
As a political commander he shows remarkable restraint given the early treatment of the muslims in Mecca.

As Muhammad grew in power I think his zeal for greatness increased as well.
There are other issues, far more serious, but these are instances that I personally believe reflect the carnality of Muhammad.

I would disagree here, I think Mohammed genuinely believed his own spiel as time went by.

His early successes convinced even him that G_D was on his side.

As a result the man began to believe - what is good for me, has got to be good for the entire world.

Now islam has a lot of positives to it, significantly the example of the prophets life itself is a great example of simple living and restraint.

I agree with you regarding the wives, Mohammed was definitely possessed by a demon of lust.

 

[Shade]

Mohammed taught moderation in behaviour.

I do not believe that Mohammed was “inspired” by G_D.

He was just the political and spiritual leader of his people. A gifted man in the ways of the world.
A rare man, because power corrupts completely; however Mohammed was remarkably resistant to the corrosiveness of the power he wielded.

I only post this because there are many posts that unfairly malign his character.

I was a muslim, currently married to a muslim. So my knowledge of his teaching - islam, is perhaps deeper than that of most people on this board.

Mohamed did not consistently practice moderation in behavior and his life is as important to the practice of Islam as the Quran. His character is a very serious problem; specifically his wars and libido are the cornerstone of ethical dilemmas faced by modern Islam.

 

[algebra]

Mohamed did not consistently practice moderation in behavior and his life is as important to the practice of Islam as the Quran. His character is a very serious problem; specifically his wars and libido are the cornerstone of ethical dilemmas faced by modern Islam.

I would disagree with you here.

What excesses would he be guilty off?

The man was a revered leader of his people.
He wielded absolute power.

There are very few cases of him abusing his power.