Mohammed's revelations

[jakasaki]

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Originally Posted by jakasaki
Muslims believe that the majority of verses of the koran were revealed to mohamad or engraved on his soul by the angel Gabriel in flawless verbal inspiration or dictation.

The so-called revelations of mohamad could not have come from the angel Gabriel.

**God would never send the same angel to mohamad at Mecca 600 years after the birth and death of his only Son to tell mohamad that He, God, does not have a son and that His beloved Son was never crucified! **

Contradictory revelations like these cannot originate from the Father of Jesus Christ.

God Bless,

Sister Amy - Wrote:

Engraved on his soul? What does that even mean??

Engraved - written on his soul - BUT that is NOT what is important to my reply… Perhaps it’s a poor choice of words on my end although the koran was NOT compiled during mohamads time, but from his followers.

What’s important to address from my reply is this… (see bold statement below) but you chose to nit-pick “engraved on his soul”

**God would never send the same angel to mohamad at Mecca 600 years after the birth and death of his only Son to tell mohamad that He, God, does not have a son and that His beloved Son was never crucified! **

Perhaps your understanding as to the bolded statement above may help me understand your thinking…

Thank you…

 

[Jehuty_X]

So, Mohammed just made up stuff, huh? Gabriel asked him questions and Mohammed spoke for Allah? I don’t think so, I think he was faking it all and made up everything. I don’t know how intelligent his companions were, but they apparently couldn’t tell he was duping them. I can just imagine them sitting with him in the desert, watching him talk to nobody, then Mohammed saying, “That was Gabriel who came to teach people their religion.”

// allah = satan , gabriel = one of satan’s demons (transformed as gabriel) , muhammed (pbnuh) = false prophet …

 

[jakasaki]

Originally Posted by jakasaki
Galatians 1:

8 - But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach (to you) a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed!

9 - As we have said before, and now I say again, if anyone preaches to you a gospel other than the one that you received, let that one be accursed!

Sister Amy Quote:

Words of God…

Words of Paul…

tough decision… not.

Words of God passed on to Paul for his mission and it’s not so tough for a believer… Paul had nothing to gain from this…

 

[Robertwilliam]

And Paul saw the Resurrected Jesus(PBUH) peace be upon him, not Muhammad (PBNUH) peace be not upon him.

 

[Sister_Amy]

maybe he meant this:

This is a revelation from the Lord of the universe. The Honest Spirit (Gabriel) came down with it. To reveal it into your heart, that you may be one of the warners. In a perfect Arabic tongue." (26:192-195)

am not sure about the translation though.

The word for reveal is more accurately rendered as “sent down.” There is nothing there about anything being engraved on one’s heart, of course. Figures.

 

[Sister_Amy]

And Paul saw the Resurrected Jesus(PBUH) peace be upon him, not Muhammad (PBNUH) peace be not upon him.

The things people believe… sigh.

 

[Sister_Amy]

am not explaining anything because what i quoted explains itself. As to shaytan, his business is to contradict God’s words, and Jesus’ words are clear to beware of false prophets and when Muhammad said Allah swears by horses and their hooves, maybe it was God’s question to you " do you really believe i swear by horses and therefore donkeys"? if not “come let us reason together” and tell me why you are not listening to my warnings.

 

[Jehuty_X]

The things people believe… sigh.

// yes like muhammed or mohammed (whatever his name is) (pbnuh!) as prophet (false prophet) and the (corruptable) qu’ran… sigh… tell me about…

 

[Sister_Amy]

Engraved - written on his soul - BUT that is NOT what is important to my reply… Perhaps it’s a poor choice of words on my end although the koran was NOT compiled during mohamads time, but from his followers.

Written on his soul? I really don’t know where you’re getting this. How can something be written on a person’s soul? Where did you ever hear of that?

The Qur’an was revealed (“sent down”) to Muhammad over a period of 23 years–he recited it to his companions who memorized it and recited it, and so on. Many of his companions had memorized the entire thing, and since many of them could write (unlike Muhammad, who was illiterate), they also wrote down some parts of it. Within two years after Muhammad’s death, these companions decided to collect the Qur’an into a single written volume. They had the whole thing memorized, and knew its order, the final step was just collecting it into a single volume. And done a mere two years after Muhammad’s death. (Unlike some other “scriptures,” I might add.)

What’s important to address from my reply is this… (see bold statement below) but you chose to nit-pick “engraved on his soul”

Might as well be correct, or would you like me to let you continue making mistakes?

**God would never send the same angel to mohamad at Mecca 600 years after the birth and death of his only Son to tell mohamad that He, God, does not have a son and that His beloved Son was never crucified! **

First of all, you need to get over this issue of God having a son. It’s so offensive to the glory of God, I can’t imagine how you can repeat it so arrogantly. God never said he had a son, not in all the years he was sending prophets to Israel. Glaring omission? Or total fabrication made up later on? If God had a son, perhaps people might have known about it ever since God started sending prophets and messengers. But nope, nobody knew about, because it’s completely incomprehensible. So you can whine about the Qur’anic refutation of your lovely suffering servant story all you like, but even the premise doesn’t make sense.

Perhaps your understanding as to the bolded statement above may help me understand your thinking…

One of the strongest passages in the Qur’an which convinced me that it was from God was a passage about Jesus, the one refuting the idea that Jesus was the son of God. Once I thought about it, I realized the whole notion never made any sense to begin with.

 

[Sister_Amy]

// yes like muhammed or mohammed (whatever his name is) (pbnuh!) as prophet (false prophet) and the (corruptable) qu’ran… sigh… tell me about…

A poster above actually said he believed that Paul saw Jesus. Totally unsubstantiated claim.

I wouldn’t believe Muhammad saw an angel or was a prophet, not unless there was some kind of “sign” to prove he was sent by God. But there are many “signs,” in fact there’s a whole book full of “signs.”

 

[Sister_Amy]

words of Muhammad

 

[Eucharisted]

inJESUS;4799684:

You happen to be one of the interesting posters with the cycle attack on Muhammad. If not one bizarre accusation, than another. One after the other.

Paul was talking about disciples of Jesus who were preaching a message different than his. It was a real problem for him–how could he gather followers if the real disciples were going around preaching the truth? So he had to say only he had the truth and of course, anyone who agreed with him.

It’s kind of sad that you’re still falling for it.

Yes, because Paul clearly made up the belief about Jesus’ Divinity. (sarcasm)

I trus you don’t understand Jewish theology? No? Well, then let me explain some to you, and you are free to verify it too!

Jesus called Himself “the Way, the Life, and the Truth”.

The Way, the Life, and the Truth means God in Judaism. Jews consider God to be the Way, to be the Life, and to be the Truth. Hence, Jesus was literally saying, “I am God.”

Jesus called Himself “I am”.

I am is the Name which God told Moses, and every Jew recognized it as God’s Name. That is why when Jesus said, “Before Abraham was, I am.” His enemies picked up rocks to stone Him with. Why were they wanting to stone Him? Because He had called Himself God, and according to the Law of Moses, anyone who calls Himself God (blasphemy) is punished by stoning.

These are only two of the many times that Jesus called Himself God, and they are recorded in the gospels, and the gospels are regarded as authentic reliable historical writings by scholars.

The Qu’ran lies when it says Jesus never called Himself God: He did. It is recorded in the gospels. Therefore, the Qu’ran has an error in it, and since it has an error in it, and especially regarding one of the most well-known men in history (Jesus), the Qu’ran is not incorruptible. Either Allah lied or Mohammed put words in his mouth, but either way, it is a lie that disproves the incorruptibility of the Qu’ran, and hence, the revelations of Mohammed, which in turn means Islam is false.

 

[dolphinlove]

You happen to be one of the interesting posters with the cycle attack on Muhammad. If not one bizarre accusation, than another. One after the other.

Paul was talking about disciples of Jesus who were preaching a message different than his. It was a real problem for him–how could he gather followers if the real disciples were going around preaching the truth? So he had to say only he had the truth and of course, anyone who agreed with him.

It’s kind of sad that you’re still falling for it.

:yawn:
Its kind of sad you believe muhammad and not the truth

 

[Robertwilliam]

If you think we mean that God had sex with Mary and had a son then THAT is abomination.
Jesus is the eternally Begotten Son of God without human mother
Born in the flesh without human father.
He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary.

 

[jakasaki]

**Edit: Blue font replies are mine - Jakasaki - **

Originally Posted by jakasaki
Muslims believe that the majority of verses of the koran were revealed to mohamad or engraved on his soul by the angel Gabriel in flawless verbal inspiration or dictation.

Since you are hung up with “engraved on his soul” - I’ll put it this way.

You have a person and that person has been taught a specific thing, and that specific thing is memorized over and over until it becomes “engraved on his soul”.

Written on his soul? I really don’t know where you’re getting this. How can something be written on a person’s soul? Where did you ever hear of that?

Answer is above

The Qur’an was revealed (“sent down”) to Muhammad over a period of 23 years–he recited it to his companions who memorized it and recited it, and so on.

It is obvious and evident that you thought about with horse blinders on…

**There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.
~Socrates **

 

[Booklover]

You happen to be one of the interesting posters with the cycle attack on Muhammad. If not one bizarre accusation, than another. One after the other.

All the accusations are taken from Muhammad’s behavior as testified by your own scriptures!

Paul was talking about disciples of Jesus who were preaching a message different than his. It was a real problem for him–how could he gather followers if the real disciples were going around preaching the truth? So he had to say only he had the truth and of course, anyone who agreed with him.

It’s kind of sad that you’re still falling for it.

Yep, Muslims hate Paul because of his prophetic statements about “angels of light” and “false prophets” which so aptly describe Muhammad!

It’s very sad that you’ve fallen for Muhammad’s lies!

Vickie

 

[Booklover]

inJESUS;4799668:

Of course Shaytan

will contradict God’s words… convincing Christians to love Jesus so much that they worship him… indeed, a most grievous sin he has directed them towards. You see, sometimes Shaytan will try to make the person think he is actually getting closer to God by committing that sin. So was the people of Nuh… the people think they are doing something righteous and in fact they are doing something abominable.

Muhammad didn’t preach a new message–only the same one. Worship the one true God, and Him alone.

He went even further than that, he created his own god, and as such is worshipped by his followers.

Vickie

 

[Booklover]

Keep trying to explain it away. Shaytaan will give you excuse after excuse. But if you wish to ask for guidance, you can always change paths.

Muslims underestimate the Devil. As one poster on the FFI forums so aptly put it:

“What an infantile mind “Allah’s Apostle” had. His conception of Satan is a person who farts, pisses in people’s ears and mysteriously makes himself small enough to go inside people’s noses.”

Make no mistake about it. Satan is a formidable antagonist, a murderer from the beginning and the “Prince of Lies”. Muhammad turned lying into a fine art. Get the connection?

Vickie

 

[Booklover]

I’ve already given you the answer–and it’s quite obvious. Embarrassing for you that you think you’ve given me a real question.

Arrogance will get you nowhere! The only “proof” you have is Muhammad “said so” and your blind belief in him.

Vickie

 

[inJESUS]

Of course Shaytan

will contradict God’s words… by giving differing messages *after *the previous ones. For God to see who will heed His warnings, He gives us warnings and proofs and teachings, not corrupt scriptures and then blames us for believing in His sovereinty and power that thwart the plans of the wicked. Your problem is a twisted view of God’s sovereignty and power and faithfullness and seriousness and justice. God will not ask humanity to throw thousands of years of scriptures and traditions to believe in the words of one man whose angel was thought to be a man called Dihya. This never happened with any prophet of God and this is against God’s justice and sovereignty.Christians have scriptures to find Jesus, you might say we have wrong “interpretations”, but at least we have what we need when you have nothing ,how convenient , so even if Jesus did not preach scripture corruption, you believe your sheikhs because otherwise Muhammad simply does not fit. Muhammad does not fit unless there is a conspiracy theory committed by humanity as a whole and no prophet ever was sent because previous messages were corrupted because God is just ,sovereign, and preserves His messages. Believing otherwise is admitting that the corrupt Bible exalts God more than Allah does in the Quran.

convincing Christians to love Jesus so much that they worship him…

we do not worship Jesus because we love Him. We worship Him because of who He said He is and it was monotheistic Jews who wrote about Him. How strange that all Muhammad’s followers were so faithful to Muhammad’s words even hundreds of years later but when it comes to Jesus who is believed by us to have died for us, not one cared about His words. Wake up . Before accusing us of corrupting the Bible, know that there have been different churches in different countries in different languages and churches and cultures that did not know each others . Only God can corrupt the Bible in such conditions . Don’t be naive.

indeed, a most grievous sin he has directed them towards.

it is not a sin to believe the Word of God is God, but it is a grievous sin for a mere human like Muhammad to ask humans to love him more than the whole world, using Jesus’ words. Jesus can utter such words because He is God, but Muhammad uttering them is mere arrogance, blasphemy and shirk because you love only God more than the whole world .

Muhammad didn’t preach a new message–only the same one. Worship the one true God, and Him alone.

even demons know there is one God. Pick up any false prophet and you will see he teaches one God. Musaylama, the false prophet who had thousands of followers before and during Muhammad’s time preached about the one God but that does not make him a prophet. Do not be fooled by thinking that the belief in one God is anyone’s free ticket to start a new religion when willingly denying scriptures that came before because God might ask about mistrusting Him and therefore His words and warnings.

btw, inserting a man’s name alongside God in the monotheistic creed is a new message…beating women is a new message…mutaa marriage is a new message…marrying another man before getting back to your first husband is a new message…God swearing by donkeys is a new message…and the list goes on, but of course he preached the same message that doesn’t exist anymore to be checked.

But the reason I used the Arabic word, “Shaytan” instead of the English “Satan” is because my post was directed at you, an Arabic speaker

Arabic language to me is a language, nothing divine or pure about it, because God does not have a language so you can address me using only English