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phil19034
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It still exists… these people are not real Catholics. I know that’s not politically correct to say, but they are not.
Mom pleads with Notre Dame female students to stop wearing leggings, sparks
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Scott84
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That depends on what your definition of modesty is. At the parish I am undergoing RCIA at, there is this young woman who always wears leggings. And let me tell you if she were to slip a quarter down the back, you’d be able to tell if it was heads or tails.
Tis_Bearself
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Congratulations on totally missing my point. It takes a really tortured reading of my post for you to conclude that I was saying it’s okay to come to Mass in a bikini.
I would suggest you re-read it in context and perhaps then you will understand what I was saying. I actually suspect you understood it anyway, but wanted to make some extreme comment. I’m not going to rise to the bait, sorry.
I would suggest you re-read it in context and perhaps then you will understand what I was saying. I actually suspect you understood it anyway, but wanted to make some extreme comment. I’m not going to rise to the bait, sorry.
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Hoosier-Daddy
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I think if mommy doesnt like it. She could steer her children away from Notre dame. That being said. I’m not sure women realize what “yoga pants” actually look like. Or maybe they do…
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AlNg
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I thought that you were a Catholic once you were baptized in the Catholic Church. So do you say that if a baptized Catholic were to hand out a condom at a Catholic college, then she would no longer be a member of the Catholic church? Would the Vatican stop counting her as a Catholic in its count of world Catholics which currently stands at about 1.3 billion?
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AlNg
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Let’s read it again:
I think it does matter if a " if a woman shows up in leggings, a teeny bikini, or totally nude".
I will have to disagree with it being OK for women showing up totally nude in public places and saying that a man should be able to handle it when women show up totally nude at some event, whether it be for a date or for a party or a simple get together.
As I mentioned, the Amish women and the Jehovah’s Witnesses recommend that their women dress modestly, as I see that they do, according to my personal experience. IMHO. it is only natural for a non-gay heterosexual man to have lustful thoughts when a woman either dresses sexy or if she shows up nude for a party or some other event. What reason would a Catholic woman have to show up nude at a party or a dance or for a date?
I don’t think it is prudent for women to show up nude for a date and then say it doesn’t matter because a man should be able to handle it?
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Emeraldlady
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I agree with this. I would go as far to say that all mothers of young adult males who are striving for the chaste life of a practicing Catholic male would agree. I’ve got sons and a daughter of this age and I think people are either ignorant or deceiving themselves not to acknowledge that females have a responsibility in this area.Tis_Bearself:
Let’s read it again:
I think it does matter if a " if a woman shows up in leggings, a teeny bikini, or totally nude".
I will have to disagree with it being OK for women showing up totally nude in public places and saying that a man should be able to handle it when women show up totally nude at some event, whether it be for a date or for a party or a simple get together.
As I mentioned, the Amish women and the Jehovah’s Witnesses recommend that their women dress modestly, as I see that they do, according to my personal experience. IMHO. it is only natural for a non-gay heterosexual man to have lustful thoughts when a woman either dresses sexy or if she shows up nude for a party or some other event. What reason would a Catholic woman have to show up nude at a party or a dance or for a date?
I don’t think it is prudent for women to show up nude for a date and then say it doesn’t matter because a man should be able to handle it?
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Lea101
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It may be natural for them to have sexual desire, but it’s not natural for them to lust and hence God despises it when people have lustful thoughts.
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Feanor2
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Where is this place that women arrive nude to parties and other events?
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FirstFiveEighth
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Probably Las Vegas. Or a nudist beach. Or a faculty board meeting in England with a professor protesting Brexit. Cambridge's 'Naked Professor' to host adult only anti-Brexit show - Cambridgeshire Live (Warning- semi-obscured pics included)
But it is being argued that a woman showing up naked is no different than a woman showing up in a t shirt and jeans or a Victorian dress. Of course this shouldn’t be an excuse for a man to suddenly start harassing or assaulting women. But surely we can agree that one is a wee bit more distracting than the other, and dare I say, inappropriate.
Also for the record I’d just like to say that seeing loads of people naked, even women, is not exactly appealing. I think everyone is assuming Greek gods and goddesses are the norm. Not the case! For goodness sake, keep your clothes on.
But it is being argued that a woman showing up naked is no different than a woman showing up in a t shirt and jeans or a Victorian dress. Of course this shouldn’t be an excuse for a man to suddenly start harassing or assaulting women. But surely we can agree that one is a wee bit more distracting than the other, and dare I say, inappropriate.
Also for the record I’d just like to say that seeing loads of people naked, even women, is not exactly appealing. I think everyone is assuming Greek gods and goddesses are the norm. Not the case! For goodness sake, keep your clothes on.
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Theo520
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Sexual desire is lust, and it is natural.
It takes real effort, a conscious will to put down such thoughts.
Fit girls not wearing much doesn’t help
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Hoosier-Daddy
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Its called college… lol
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phil19034
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We have had this discussion multiple times. I’m sorry, but you know exactly what I mean.phil19034:
I thought that you were a Catholic once you were baptized in the Catholic Church. So do you say that if a baptized Catholic were to hand out a condom at a Catholic college, then she would no longer be a member of the Catholic church? Would the Vatican stop counting her as a Catholic in its count of world Catholics which currently stands at about 1.3 billion?
For example: if a Baptized Catholic becomes an atheist, as far as Canon Law is concerned, that person is still Catholic. But in all practical reality, you cannot be a Catholic and an atheist at the same time.
Just because Canon Law still considers a person Catholic does not mean that they are still Catholic in practice.
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phil19034
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Dr. Peter C. Kleponis, Ph.D., LPC. SATP is a world renowned Catholic psychologist who focuses a big part of his practice on porn addiction.AlNg:
It may be natural for them to have sexual desire, but it’s not natural for them to lust and hence God despises it when people have lustful thoughts.
One of the major things he says the research indicates is that men & women primarily experience sexual attraction differently.
Men are primarily sexually attracted via sight. While women are primarily sexually attracted/stimulated by environmental factors (situation, mood, romance, etc).
This is why porn for men is usually just pictures and why men fast forward through the dialog in pornographic movies. While female porn typically involves stories (steamy “romance novels”) and they like the dialog in soft porn movies (in order words the dialog was written for the women).
Women like to use their imaginations, while men use their eyes.
NOTE: this doesn’t mean that women can’t be stimulated by their eyes or men by their minds. However, the statistics show that men are far more likely to be first stimulated by their eyes alone than women are.
No matter how much men try to fight it, men and women are wired differently. Men are sexually stimulated primarily with our eyes first - which is why the percentage of men who can be sexually stimulated by only a photograph is far higher than the percentage of women.
If I still had the numbers from Dr. Kleponis, I would site them. But it really is amazing.
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Lea101
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It’s really not. The Church distinguishes the two. Sexual desire is normal and part of being human, but you start sinning once you dwell on it for your pleasure (ie lust).
I’m not denying the differences, but your first statement is an oversimplification of human sexuality. It also implies that it’s all biological, when sexuality is also influenced by the things around us as well.
As porn (both visual, audio, and text) become increasingly accessible, more and more women’s souls are in danger. Men are also becoming more increasingly objectified as well. Porn (visual) being catered to women are being made more as well.
It really shocks me that people don’t believe that young women out there are really…experiencing things when they see a fit young man topless or doing suggestive stuff out there.
I bring this up because I was talking about male modesty, which catholics/religious people in general downplay a lot. Nobody is denying what men experience, I was bringing up the female experience which people don’t really enjoy talking about.
Fact is, lust is a very, very common sin amongst women that they themselves don’t enjoy talking about because apparently we are seen as the fairer sex.
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Theo520
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Why can’t desires that are natural also be sins?
Anger is natural, Guttony is also natural. The desire for pleasure is natural but does often lead to sin.
Resisting sin takes conscious effort, we go against what is natural.
Calling something ‘natural’ doesn’t mean it is good.
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Lea101
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You said sexual desire is lust. The Church notices a difference between the two.
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Theo520
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look up the word, lust is by definition a “very strong sexual desire”.
The church recognizes that it is good when channeled to your marriage partner
and that the desire causes sin when allowed to lead one to adultery or just personal satisfaction.
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Lea101
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2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.
It’s not merely a strong sexual desire. That may be the secular definition, but in the Church, it is seen as a disordered desire when it’s sought for itself.
E.g. If you feel sexual desire for an attractive woman, you’re not sinning until you start to dwell on it for your own pleasure. You simply acknowledge the arousal and distract yourself/not focus and enable this desire.
There’s a popular saying ‘You cannot keep birds from flying over your head
but you can keep them from building a nest in your hair’.
In other words, lust is a choice. I’m not saying it’s easy to avoid lust because it is incredibly hard at times. But it’s not the biological reaction to sexually arousing material.
It’s not merely a strong sexual desire. That may be the secular definition, but in the Church, it is seen as a disordered desire when it’s sought for itself.
E.g. If you feel sexual desire for an attractive woman, you’re not sinning until you start to dwell on it for your own pleasure. You simply acknowledge the arousal and distract yourself/not focus and enable this desire.
There’s a popular saying ‘You cannot keep birds from flying over your head
but you can keep them from building a nest in your hair’.
In other words, lust is a choice. I’m not saying it’s easy to avoid lust because it is incredibly hard at times. But it’s not the biological reaction to sexually arousing material.
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