Monitoring America

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Nine years after the terrorist attacks of 2001, the United States is assembling a vast domestic intelligence apparatus to collect information about Americans, using the FBI, local police, state homeland security offices and military criminal investigators.

The system, by far the largest and most technologically sophisticated in the nation’s history, collects, stores and analyzes information about thousands of U.S. citizens and residents, many of whom have not been accused of any wrongdoing.

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HydraBob said:
Nine years after the terrorist attacks of 2001, the United States is assembling a vast domestic intelligence apparatus to collect information about Americans, using the FBI, local police, state homeland security offices and military criminal investigators.

The system, by far the largest and most technologically sophisticated in the nation’s history, collects, stores and analyzes information about thousands of U.S. citizens and residents, many of whom have not been accused of any wrongdoing.

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Hi, HydraBob,

Big Brother is here and TSA screeners make him look like a sexual abuser.

God loves you,
Don
 
And just like the Patriot Act, some will think this is a really good idea!
 
Tigg said:
And just like the Patriot Act, some will think this is a really good idea!
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Slowly…day by day…our Freedoms are being whittled away…

God Bless you.
+Peace On Earth, Good Will Toward Men.
Love, Dawn
 
Everyone seems to agree this is a serious problem, but what can we do?
 
Tigg said:
And just like the Patriot Act, some will think this is a really good idea!
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Yes, and they’ll inevitably trot out the old “If you’ve got nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about” argument.
 
PatThompson said:
Everyone seems to agree this is a serious problem, but what can we do?
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As a nation, turn back to God and wakeup to what’s going on or else slowly fall into tyranny and be delivered into the hands of our enemies.
 
HydraBob said:
As a nation, turn back to God and wakeup to what’s going on or else slowly fall into tyranny and be delivered into the hands of our enemies.
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'Tis so.

God is allowing us to wallow in the filth we have made for ourselves-to teach us a lesson.

Our Loving Father will then call His children back to Himself. We will be “paddled.”

In other words, eventually, He will say: Enough!

God Bless you.
+Peace On Earth, Good Will Toward Men.
Love, Dawn

PS I believe sin has taken such a hold-we can no longer turn ourselves back to Him-He will have to turn us around.

Watch.

And, Pray.

.
 
HydraBob said:
As a nation, turn back to God and wakeup to what’s going on or else slowly fall into tyranny and be delivered into the hands of our enemies.
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In either event, persevere in prayer as well as loving God and people.
 
Anybody use the internet?

From bunkers in Texas, military pilots use images from Predator drones in Afghanistan to watch, in real time, bad guys setting bombs in roads, and requesting orders to take them out.

The National Security Agency has a bunch of satellites parked in orbit just waiting for phone calls from bad guys talking about their next terrorist mission.

The National Reconnaissance Office is processing lots of satellite images hoping to catch missile tests by rogue states, transfers of illiegal cargoes and other activity that may help warn against terrorist attacks against the United States and our allies.

So unless you’re a criminal, or terrorist, you should have no worries. The FBI won’t be pounding on your door in the middle of the night to confiscate your porn, but possibly, your dope.

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
Anybody use the internet?

From bunkers in Texas, military pilots use images from Predator drones in Afghanistan to watch, in real time, bad guys setting bombs in roads, and requesting orders to take them out.

The National Security Agency has a bunch of satellites parked in orbit just waiting for phone calls from bad guys talking about their next terrorist mission.

The National Reconnaissance Office is processing lots of satellite images hoping to catch missile tests by rogue states, transfers of illiegal cargoes and other activity that may help warn against terrorist attacks against the United States and our allies.

So unless you’re a criminal, or terrorist, you should have no worries. The FBI won’t be pounding on your door in the middle of the night to confiscate your porn, but possibly, your dope.

Peace,
Ed
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No, you have plenty to worry about. Those agencies are not immune from political influence, and at some point an administration may decide that your dissenting viewpoints on some topic are troublesome and merit special “attention”. Remember the FBI files that mysteriously appeared in the Clinton White House, or the Nixon Administration’s abuses of federal agencies’ powers?
 
When the tipping point is reached and enough people depend on the benevolence of their government to survive, this is what you get. Your servant becomes your master and most people are OK with that as long as the flow of payments doesn’t slow.

The Founding Fathers would be shocked and sickened to see what we did with their country. The creation of a soft and dependent population too willing to go “open kimono” in exchange for Big Brother’s protection wasn’t part of the plan I’m sure.
 
TedDC said:
No, you have plenty to worry about. Those agencies are not immune from political influence, and at some point an administration may decide that your dissenting viewpoints on some topic are troublesome and merit special “attention”. Remember the FBI files that mysteriously appeared in the Clinton White House, or the Nixon Administration’s abuses of federal agencies’ powers?
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I was there for the Nixon Administration. Can you be more specific?

Thanks,
Ed
 
TedDC said:
I’m thinking of John Dean’s plan to use IRS audits to harass people on the “enemies list”.
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OK. What do you suggest be done in the current situation? I am against unreasonable government intrusion and harassment. However, there are people here that would do this country harm as has been demonstrated last year in Detroit with the so-called “underwear bomber.”

We are in a state of war and since the enemy lacks fleets of bombers, cruise missiles and other sophisticated technologies, he is taking a lower tech approach.

Peace,
Ed
 
To an increasing number of Americans, the government does not act in there interests at all.
 
edwest2 said:
Anybody use the internet?

So unless you’re a criminal, or terrorist, you should have no worries. The FBI won’t be pounding on your door in the middle of the night to confiscate your porn, but possibly, your dope.
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I don’t for one moment believe this, Ed. Total tyranny is not quite here yet, but it’s coming. Everything that has been done to limit civil liberties has been done in the name of “protecting us.”
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
~ Benjamin Franklin ~
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Personally, I’m with Ben. For those who have no eyes to see, think back to the early days of Bush and what ensued, little by little, in incremental steps. The John Warner Defense Authorization Act, the Military Commissions Act, the Patriot Act and all the presidential directives signed to complement these. I do believe Habeas Corpus was restored after it was challenged, no? No one listens to the constitutional lawyers and half the world is asleep.

Now they are attacking the internet (nothing new-they’ve been working on net neutrality for quite some time) and give us bogus reasons for doing so and tell us it’s for the good of We, the People! The internet is our last bastion of truth since the MSM is now state-controlled. Please do not tell me to trust a government that will not even close our borders. The corruption, the arrogance, the greed, the power grab and the lies do little to instill confidence in anything they attempt to do.
 
Tigg said:
I don’t for one moment believe this, Ed. Total tyranny is not quite here yet, but it’s coming. Everything that has been done to limit civil liberties has been done in the name of “protecting us.”

Personally, I’m with Ben. For those who have no eyes to see, think back to the early days of Bush and what ensued, little by little, in incremental steps. The John Warner Defense Authorization Act, the Military Commissions Act, the Patriot Act and all the presidential directives signed to complement these. I do believe Habeas Corpus was restored after it was challenged, no? No one listens to the constitutional lawyers and half the world is asleep.

Now they are attacking the internet (nothing new-they’ve been working on net neutrality for quite some time) and give us bogus reasons for doing so and tell us it’s for the good of We, the People! The internet is our last bastion of truth since the MSM is now state-controlled. Please do not tell me to trust a government that will not even close our borders. The corruption, the arrogance, the greed, the power grab and the lies do little to instill confidence in anything they attempt to do.
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The Internet is the last bastion of truth? I think it’s the first bastion of radical anarchy. All you need is an anonymous name, an anonymous web site, and for a few bucks a month you can spread simple lies, sophisticated lies and ultra-sophisticated lies. The internet began as a secure communications system called ARPAnet. You don’t think the military would release it into the wild without building in acres of surveillance first? Key word search? Seriously. Get a grip.

I’m not telling you to trust anybody, OK?

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
The Internet is the last bastion of truth? I think it’s the first bastion of radical anarchy.

Peace,
Ed
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I believe it contains truth you will never read in your morning paper, which needs to be discerned and separated from the obvious propaganda and tomfoolery.

Wishing everyone on CAF a very Blessed Christmas and an increased trust in the Lord in the coming New Year!
 
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