Monsanto Provision Tucked in Spending Bill Draws Critics

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I think the provision seems reasonable, I just don’t like how it was done. I don’t like policy slipped into spending bills.

I believe the roundup ready soybeans are going off patent in 2014, so Monsanto should lose some of their monopoly power.
 
We now know that the DNA in plants “communicates” with the human DNA when consumed. Instructions are present in the DNA. Now we are messing with that instruction set without knowing the ramifications. My gut tells me this will be a problem.
 
Tell that to the people that used Napster for music file sharing. They didn’t have an agreement with anyone and found themselves being sued (successfully)for millions.
Ummm…Napster deals with copyright law, not patent law. Totally different legal animals.
 
Ummm…Napster deals with copyright law, not patent law. Totally different legal animals.
Indeed. A person can control whether or not they illegally download copyrighted products. A farmer has no control over whether or not the wind polinates his crops.
 
I think the provision seems reasonable, I just don’t like how it was done. I don’t like policy slipped into spending bills.

I believe the roundup ready soybeans are going off patent in 2014, so Monsanto should lose some of their monopoly power.
Not really, because they have already switched over to a newer variety under a newer patent according to their website. All they have to do is tweak Roundup so that the old seed variety isn’t resistant and their monopoly continues.
 
That is MUCH different. There are several problems with Monsanto not the least of which is their aggressive enforcement of their patents; even when accidental violations occur. This company has been known to sue farmers over cross-polination and strong arms them into buying their seeds.
Source of the claim for the “cross pollination” suit? Hint - its already been addressed in this thread.

How do you “strong arm” someone into buying your product? Has Monsanto forced you to buy anything? I’m sure Ford, GE and other corporations would pay millions to know this secret.

Please show how it is MUCH different. Just saying it doesn’t make it so (like your other claims).
 
I could certainly be wrong, but just looking it up briefly, it appears to me the “cross pollenation” claims are largely counterclaims or defenses against Monsanto patent infringement cases. Monsanto claims patent infringement because Farmer X has corn with Monsanto genes from seed he didn’t buy, and Farmer X claims the genes are due to cross-pollenation.
And the cross pollination claim can be checked two ways, did the farmer buy seed from another seed dealer, the genetics of the corn. The few times the “cross pollination” defense has been used they lose because the genetics don’t lie. Just like DNA.

The other issue is few farmers keep harvested corn and soybean hybrids back for seed. The germination rates are low and the hybrid benefits rapidly dissipate going from one generation to the next.
 
Indeed. A person can control whether or not they illegally download copyrighted products. A farmer has no control over whether or not the wind polinates his crops.
Nor can a farmer control the genetics of corn cross pollinated from a neighboring field.

The resulting grain from cross pollination would only reflect at BEST a 50% genetic match to Monsanto products and that would only be on the outer edges of the field. Can you name a case where that was the result of genetic testing? The one case that I sited showed a 98% genetic match with Monsanto products - physically and genetically impossible to attain though “cross pollination”.
 
We now know that the DNA in plants “communicates” with the human DNA when consumed. Instructions are present in the DNA. Now we are messing with that instruction set without knowing the ramifications. My gut tells me this will be a problem.
How does this happen? I have never seen this claimed before.

Some of the folks here live in California. I live in the Ozarks. The plants here are very different from the plants there. So, is my DNA “Ozark-specific” due to my having eaten plants grown here? (And, of course, I inhale the pollen) Is someone else’s “Simi Valley Specific”?

If I move to the Simi Valley, will I remain “Ozark specific”? How long will it take for my DNA to change to “Simi Valley Specific”?

I think I would like to see some reputable source for this assertion.
 
But that’s not quite the topic, is it? Isn’t it whether Blunt did something he should not have done by putting a provision in a spending bill which reinstates the USDA’s action after the 9th Circuit blocked it. Scipio feels it is an unwarranted “pork” provision. Since I think the 9th Circuit is nutty and left wing (the most reversed federal circuit in the nation) I think Blunt did a reasonable thing…
I don;t think it is right, but I also don’t think its right that a case that originated in 8th district court was decided by the 9th district court. No one can claim to be “clean” in this situation.
Frankly, I have to wonder about all of this accidental violations business. I have seen many a farm field in which one segment of a single field is planted with a Monsanto brand name and the very next one is planted with some other company’s seed, like Pioneer. I have seen fields in which there are several brands right next to each other. One group of rows is one thing and the very next row is something else.

I could certainly be wrong, but just looking it up briefly, it appears to me the “cross pollenation” claims are largely counterclaims or defenses against Monsanto patent infringement cases. Monsanto claims patent infringement because Farmer X has corn with Monsanto genes from seed he didn’t buy, and Farmer X claims the genes are due to cross-pollenation.
Exactly. Not one of those defenses has been successful because the resulting crop has a DNA that matches Monsanto products - not a hybrid of Monsanto and say Pioneer products. To get a “even” disbursement of a 50% hybrid between those two crops would require mixing seed in the seed tank otherwise you would only get a cross pollination product “from your neighbors” on the outer rows of a field. Certainly nothing you would harvest then plant and later spray with Roundup and unless you wanted to kill off nearly all of your planted crop. Even spraying Roundup on a 50% hybrid is a risk few farmers are willing to take. You could easily kill your entire planted crop.
 
I think the provision seems reasonable, I just don’t like how it was done. I don’t like policy slipped into spending bills.

I believe the roundup ready soybeans are going off patent in 2014, so Monsanto should lose some of their monopoly power.
They were going to lose it anyway. Roundup is nolonger the supreme herbicide that it was when introduced in the 1970s. While good some weeds have developed a resistance to it naturally (just like Monsanto did in the lab) and it’s effectiveness is being lost. Most likely when Monsanto’s patent ages out they will introduce a new herbicide and a line of side that can be used with it.

Bayer is already selling cotton and soybeans resistant to glufosinate, another weedkiller. Monsanto’s newest corn is tolerant of both glyphosate and glufosinate, and the company is developing crops resistant to dicamba, an older pesticide. Syngenta is developing soybeans tolerant of its Callisto product. And Dow Chemical is developing corn and soybeans resistant to 2,4-D.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup_(herbicide
 
They were going to lose it anyway. Roundup is nolonger the supreme herbicide that it was when introduced in the 1970s. While good some weeds have developed a resistance to it naturally (just like Monsanto did in the lab) and it’s effectiveness is being lost. Most likely when Monsanto’s patent ages out they will introduce a new herbicide and a line of side that can be used with it.

Bayer is already selling cotton and soybeans resistant to glufosinate, another weedkiller. Monsanto’s newest corn is tolerant of both glyphosate and glufosinate, and the company is developing crops resistant to dicamba, an older pesticide. Syngenta is developing soybeans tolerant of its Callisto product. And Dow Chemical is developing corn and soybeans resistant to 2,4-D.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup_(herbicide
What urban people probably don’t realize is that they’re likely developing herbicide resistant weeds in their own lawns through “lawn care” companies and products. Virtually all of those products have herbicides in them to kill weeds and make that nice, uniform lawn everybody likes.
 
What urban people probably don’t realize is that they’re likely developing herbicide resistant weeds in their own lawns through “lawn care” companies and products. Virtually all of those products have herbicides in them to kill weeds and make that nice, uniform lawn everybody likes.
Pollution of waterways from fertilizer and chemical runoffs are much worse in suburban areas than anything encountered in farming areas. Suburban and urban green areas have chemicals massively over applied compared to farms.
Your lawn and garden might be the last places you would look for pollution problems. But, behind beautiful landscapes are activities that may threaten your health and the environment. On average, homeowners use 10 times more chemical fertilizers and pesticides per acre than farmers use on farmland. Especially if applied improperly, these chemicals can find their way into drinking water wells and pollute nearby lakes and streams. Closer to home, children are particularly vulnerable to pesticides that are stored or used without proper safety precautions.
 
Some thought should be given to the timing of all of this.

You can’t put together a whole crop year’s worth of seed instantly. USDA approved the use for the present, so Monsanto goes ahead and invests, undoubtedly, a lot of money in getting this year’s crop worth of seed ready to go.

So then a court steps in and says “no”; a court that’s known to be ideological in its approach and is frequently reversed by the Supreme Court.

So what is Monsanto supposed to do with the “seed-in-process”? Flush it down the toilet? Eat the loss? You can’t carry seed over without it losing some of its usefulness, no matter what it is, and this seed, of course, will run out of patent.
 
Pollution of waterways from fertilizer and chemical runoffs are much worse in suburban areas than anything encountered in farming areas. Suburban and urban green areas have chemicals massively over applied compared to farms.
One reads about the reported upsurge in allergies and asthma in cities; something that does not seem to be happening in rural areas, and one has to wonder about how much of that stuff gets thrown into the air by spraying, mowing, etc. Not to be coarse, but anyone who mows his own lawn and returns from it with a snoot full of particulates knows the inside of his respiratory system is likewise, if less, affected.
 
How does this happen? I have never seen this claimed before.

Some of the folks here live in California. I live in the Ozarks. The plants here are very different from the plants there. So, is my DNA “Ozark-specific” due to my having eaten plants grown here? (And, of course, I inhale the pollen) Is someone else’s “Simi Valley Specific”?

If I move to the Simi Valley, will I remain “Ozark specific”? How long will it take for my DNA to change to “Simi Valley Specific”?

I think I would like to see some reputable source for this assertion.
Yes, this is new info. I’ll find the source.
 
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