Monstrance - "Pagan Sun Symbol"

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Perhaps he would like to suggest a monstrance design of his own.

But why are you arguing about the monstrance rather than the Eucharist?
 
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Titus 1:15 To the pure all things are pure, but to the corrupt and unbelieving nothing is pure. Their very minds and consciences are corrupted.

Malachi 4:2 But for you who revere my name the sun of righteousness(Jesus) shall rise, with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall.

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun to its setting my name is great among the nations, and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a pure offering; for my name is great among the nations, says the Lord of hosts.

Habakkuk 3:4 The brightness was like the sun;rays came forth from his hand,where his power lay hidden.

2 John 1:7 Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh; (also the holy Euchrist )any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist! 8 Be on your guard, so that you do not lose what we have worked for, but may receive a full reward. 9 Everyone who does not abide in the teaching of Christ, but goes beyond it, does not have God; whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 Do not receive into the house or welcome anyone who comes to you and does not bring this teaching; 11 for to welcome is to participate in the evil deeds of such a person.
 
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Ask Mr. Know-it-all just where he got this information from, since it is not in the bible. Also, why billions of the faithful have somehow completely overlooked this shocking and amazing revelation.

Honestly, if this person is so gullible (or malicious) as to believe that, best to disengage for a time and simply pray.

Oh, might ask in parting if the Light of the world shines more brightly than the sun…
 
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Imagine - the sun - a pagan symbol - lol
Pagans try to use everything as a symbol - from the dawn of creation.
I find it fun how some oddball modernist - are using the rainbow - as a symbol.
Any God created good thing - a pagan tries to stain and ruin.
 
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He is saying the Monstrance is designed as a pagan “sun symbol”
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Hello, my friend, and I see your query has been answered quite fully. I do have something on my mind, though, which may be relevant. Or at least interesting, somewhat. 🙂

In one of the episodes of Bishop Robert Barron’s Catholicism series he delves into this sort of thing very well. The early sign of the cross, for example. Christians of every sort have been questioned about why a pagan symbol of cruelty and death would be used to denote the life of faith. As Father Robert says, to the early church it was a kind of in-your-face response to the opposition. We’re going to take your symbol and transform it into ours; we’re going to take something horrendously fearful and turn it into a symbol of love and forgivevess.

Barron goes on to include the best of all the old pagan art work and architecture, the Pantheon in Rome being a prime example. What once served nothing is now serving God.

And the best scene of this particular episode went as follows. During the ceremonies following the election of Pope Benedict in 2005, a long distance shot of the balcony from which he would appear in St. Peter’s Square focused in on Cardinal George of Chicago. While other Cardinals were milling around, he was still and looking out over the masses of people and the sky line beyond, stroking his chin and looking thoughtful. When he returned to his home Diocese he was asked by some press people about that moment which had caught their attention. What was going through his mind just then? He said, I was looking at the ruins of the great Circus Maximus where Christians had been taunted and persecuted, tortured and put to death in the early centuries, and wondered, where are the successors of Caesar today? Who are the successors of Marcus Aurelius, and who even cares? But the Christians of that time- where is the successor of St. Peter? Well, he’s standing right here beside me. And Christians have since occupied everything that was once used against them.

I love that. I am in awe over the power in that story. The greatest empire the world had ever seen is gone. But the tiny group they tried to exterminate now fills the earth. And if we’ve taken some of their symbols and imagery along with everything else, well… in your face! 🙂
 
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edward_george1 said:
there’s even one in a church somewhere, I think in St Louis, that’s shaped like the Blessed Mother.
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The “Blessed Mother Holding Jesus” monstrance has gotten pretty popular. I’ve seen it on the East Coast also.
And have also seen monstrances shaped like a cross, as well as many that are just plain circles without “rays”.

I frankly wouldn’t care what some Baptist who doesn’t even believe in the eucharist thinks. I’d just laugh for a couple minutes and move on, because he’s going to find idolatry in everything we do including the fact that we adore Jesus in the Eucharist.
 
Remember the adage about not having a battle of wits with an unarmed person . . .

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No one would adore an empty Monstrance. It’s the Eucharist within that we worship. The Eucharist is held by a Luna.
 
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Some Baptists commit the ancient heresy of iconoclasm - the rejection of images out of hand. That is the sole ancient connection that they have to the early Church. This sounds like it might possibly be one of them…

So, what are we to take up in order to follow Christ? (Luke 9:23)

Yes, that’s right, that pagan Roman symbol of death: the cross.

So, what is he accusing our Lord of?
 
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