Moral Dissident Marches On In Rochester, NY

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Fr. Charles Curran, a leader in an effort to gain signatures to oppose the Pope Paul VI Encyclical Humanae Vitae, will be speaking in the Diocese of Rochester, NY. This ad was is in the Catholic Courier paper edition but not on the online edition.

 
The only thing “illusionary” in the 40 years since Vatican II is this theologian’s persistent belief in his grossly dissident and obsolete opinions. :whacky:
 
Father Curran on abortion:

“… Even in the question of the morality of abortion it is impossible to speak about *the *Roman Catholic position as if there cannot exist within Catholicism a legitimate dissent from that teaching” (*New Perspectives in Moral Theology, *1974, p. 179).

The teaching of the Catholic Church on abortion:

“… Most recently, the Second Vatican Council, presided over by Paul VI, has most severely condemned abortion: ‘Life must be safeguarded with extreme care from conception; abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes’ (17). The same Paul VI, speaking on this subject on many occasions, has not been afraid to declare that this teaching of the Church ‘has not changed and is unchangeable’ (18)” (*Declaration on Procured Abortion, *Section 7).

Father Curran on fornication:

“One cannot brand all pre-marital sex under the same blanket condemnation of fornication. There is quite a bit of difference between sexual relations with a prostitute and with a spouse to be” (*Contemporary Problems in Moral Theology, *1970, p. 169).

The teaching of the Catholic Church on fornication:

"… For you can be quite certain that nobody who actually indulges in fornication or impurity or promiscuity—which is worshipping a false god—can inherit anything of the Kingdom of God. Do not let anyone deceive you with empty arguments (Eph.5:3-8.cf.4: 18-19)…

“In addition, the Apostle points out the specifically Christian motive for practising chastity when he condemns the sin of fornication not only in the measure that this action is injurious to one’s neighbor or to the social order but because the forni-cator offends against Christ …” (*Declaration on Sexual Ethics, *1975, Section 11).

Father Curran on sterilization:

“I disagree with the past Catholic teaching on sterilization :!!’’ I maintain that in practice Catholics can dissent from the authoritative Church teaching condemning direct sterilization” (*New Persprectives in Moral Theology, *1974, p. 203).

The teaching of the Catholic Church on sterilization:

“… Equally to he excluded, as the teaching authority of the Church has frequently declared, is direct sterilization, whether perpetual or temporary, whether of the man or of the woman” (*Humanae Vitae, *1968, Section 14).

Father Curran on divorce:

“I conclude that the Roman Catholic Chuch should change its teaching and practice on divorce. Divorce and remarriage must be accepted as a reality in our world that at times can take place even without personal guilt on the part of the individuals involved. Indissolubility or permanency is a radical demand of the Gospel that is seen as a goal but not an absolute norm” (*New Perspectives in Moral Theology, *1974, pp. 271-272).

The teaching of the Catholic Church on divorce:

“Again, this love is faithful and exclusive until death. Thus in fact do bride and groom receive it to be on the day when they freely and in full awareness assume the duty of the marriage bond” (*Humanae Vitae, *1968, Section 9).

From a Letter to the Apostolic Delegate
 
An excerpt from


http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/IMG/trans.gifCharles E. Curran

I sat in a television studio on April 19, 2005, and once again heard the words habemus papam–Joseph Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI. My disappointment was much greater than it was fifty years earlier. As prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), Ratzinger concluded a seven-year investigation of my theological writings in 1986 with the judgment, approved by John Paul II, that “one who dissents from the magisterium as you do is not suitable nor eligible to teach Catholic theology.”
I maintained that my dissent was not from core tenets of Catholic faith, but from noninfallible church teachings. In fact, the U.S. bishops in their 1968 pastoral letter Human Life in Our Day recognized the legitimacy of such dissent if there are serious reasons for it, if the teaching authority of the church is not impugned, and if scandal is not given. My dissent satisfied those criteria. So I asked Cardinal Ratzinger, “Is theological dissent from noninfallible church teaching ever permitted; and, if so, under what conditions is it permitted?” He refused to answer.
 
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felra:
The only thing “illusionary” in the 40 years since Vatican II is this theologian’s persistent belief in his grossly dissident and obsolete opinions. :whacky:
And why is Charles Curran granted permission to speak in the Diocese of Rochester??? In a Catholic Church???

And why is this speaking engagement announced in the Catholic Courier of Rochester, NY???
 
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contemplative:
And why is Charles Curran granted permission to speak in the Diocese of Rochester??? In a Catholic Church???

And why is this speaking engagement announced in the Catholic Courier of Rochester, NY???
 
As a fellow Rochestarian I am so sad to hear this, though not surprised. And people of this Diocese wonder why we have no vocations to the priesthood and the churches are “merging” because of lack of priests?

The Catholic Courier is really diappointing. This is the same publication that publishes Fr. Richard “I’m only wearing the collar for the picture” McBrien.

Pray for our Diocese.
 
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LynnieLew:
As a fellow Rochestarian I am so sad to hear this, though not surprised. And people of this Diocese wonder why we have no vocations to the priesthood and the churches are “merging” because of lack of priests?

The Catholic Courier is really diappointing. This is the same publication that publishes Fr. Richard “I’m only wearing the collar for the picture” McBrien.

Pray for our Diocese.
There is Curran & McBrien and a host of ugly underlings burgeoning from the halls of St. Bernards school of theology and ministry…plus more.
 
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felra:
The only thing “illusionary” in the 40 years since Vatican II is this theologian’s persistent belief in his grossly dissident and obsolete opinions. :whacky:
Obsolete is correct. The “older” set keeps plugging away waiting for their big break. They will be all gone some day and the Church will still be here teaching what She always taught.
 
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contemplative:
And why is Charles Curran granted permission to speak in the Diocese of Rochester??? In a Catholic Church???

And why is this speaking engagement announced in the Catholic Courier of Rochester, NY???
Fr. Curran is a priest of that diocese and his bishop (Bishop Clark) has made no efforts to silence him, and, one might say, even seems to encourage him.
 
Hmmm… I didn’t think he was actually living in this diocese
 
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LynnieLew:
Hmmm… I didn’t think he was actually living in this diocese
He is not, but he is still incardnated in the Diocese of Rochester, and is therefore bound to the bishop of Rochester and is a priest of that diocese.
 
Ugh! I spotted that last night while looking through the Courier. Funny, but if you didn’t know better you’d think there was nothing in least bit controversial about him coming to town!

So, is there any organised effort already under way to prevent him from spewing his apostacy here?

-J
 
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Regenhund:
Ugh! I spotted that last night while looking through the Courier. Funny, but if you didn’t know better you’d think there was nothing in least bit controversial about him coming to town!

So, is there any organised effort already under way to prevent him from spewing his apostacy here?

-J
I don’t know. I can’t assume there is an organized effort to prevent him from speaking. A simple call to the Diocese of Rochester will get you through to the Bishop’s office where a complaint can be simply expressed. A letter of protest and complaint can be written to Bishop Clark as well.

Diocese of Rochester
328-3210
Bishop’s office/ext. 1225
1150 Buffalo Road
Rochester, NY 14624-1890
 
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contemplative:
I don’t know. I can’t assume there is an organized effort to prevent him from speaking. A simple call to the Diocese of Rochester will get you through to the Bishop’s office where a complaint can be simply expressed. A letter of protest and complaint can be written to Bishop Clark as well.

Diocese of Rochester
328-3210
Bishop’s office/ext. 1225
1150 Buffalo Road
Rochester, NY 14624-1890
I’m in the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston, but I’m still planning to send an e-mail and write a letter addressed to the pastor and cc’d to the bishop and the Bishop of Rome. This is outrageous.

In Christ,
Irenaeus
 
Fr. Charlie Curran is all washed up, his ideas are now at least a couple generations behind the curve. Now that his ideological archnemesis Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger is now the Fisherman, I think he and his ideologues who occupy higher Catholic acedemia in America are now beginning to see the writing on the wall. In that the Church will ultimately be Catholic, with the stuff the nuns taught them (or tried their best to) in their Baltimore Catechism days will in large part remain unchanged.:yup:
 
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Catholic29:
Fr. Charlie Curran is all washed up, his ideas are now at least a couple generations behind the curve. Now that his ideological archnemesis Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger is now the Fisherman, I think he and his ideologues who occupy higher Catholic acedemia in America are now beginning to see the writing on the wall. In that the Church will ultimately be Catholic, with the stuff the nuns taught them (or tried their best to) in their Baltimore Catechism days will in large part remain unchanged.:yup:
The writing on the wall reminds me of the passage in Daniel I think. Father Curran’s dissident ways remind me of what our blessed Lord writes at the Babylonians feast Tekel, tekel, mene upharsin maybe? Correct me if I’m wrong. The prophet then announces “God has judged your kingdom and finished it.”
 
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felra:
This theologian’s persistent belief in his grossly dissident and obsolete opinions. :whacky:
Dissident, yes, but hardly obsolete. I would not at all be surprised to find out that more Catholics use birth control than not. And I don’t imagine that the percentage will get any lower.

In certain areas, there’s not a hair’s difference between the practices of Catholics and non-Catholics.
 
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