Morality of Flipping Cars/Houses

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Yes. Because although financial risk needs to compensated, the degree to which it does is debatable. Bosses go off and play golf and are somehow good at making a few decisions each day, which their staff carry out. To bosses, their lives are not always super-stressful, particularly because their job falls perfectly within their skill set. They may have been raised to understand entrepreneurial things handily. To the underling following the commands, it can be super-stressful to enact the commands from HO. They forgo their family life to please the boss. They actually bring in the money for the company. Meantime, the boss chomps on a 20 % profit margin because he has money, a few extra brain cells, and just the right specialized knowledge. Is that fair?
 
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This may be the case for some, but you cannot possibly believe that all (or even most) business owners are like this. If you do, you have very little understanding of of how business - including small businesses - work.
 
My father is an entrepreneur, and I’m a small business owner with no employees except my tired self. I do believe that the success of all businesses with employees rests on exploiting somebody else.
 
So you’re saying you’re both immoral? Because earlier in the thread you said all business owners are somewhat immoral.
 
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Have you ever bought or sold a home? Normally the realtor does a valuation on the property and the buyer has an inspection done to determine any issues that needs to be resolved. You would have to try pretty hard to not know the value of what you are selling…deliberate, willful ignorance.

You are presuming that buying a run down house below the value of a house in good condition is fraudulent. Not at all. The buyers earn the profit by investing time, money, labor and financial risk into bringing the house up to a higher standard. Often, only a flipper will buy a property and if they didn’t, the property would sit for years in bad condition and become a blight in the neighborhood. Flippers provide a great service.
 
It seems most replies are a little naive, ignoring the factor of a rising cost of homes, which many house flippers are greedily taking advantage of (even some of those that do some remodeling, albeit especially those who do not). Their “work” can then accelerate the rise in prices which were already daunting for those in need of a home. Doing this in neighborhoods which are accessible only to the wealthy is one thing; doing it to the middle class is another.

Those who have engaged in this practice are unlikely to reply to this issue in any way that puts their own integrity in question.
 
Obviously I don’t think it’s immoral to just watch the show. lol. I’m talking about the subject of the show.
Buying and Selling… Nothing wrong - unless deceit is involved.
 
In the case of any business with employees, the fact that the hardest work is done by the lowest on the totem pole, and those lowest often do not get out of their situation, leads me to believe business is somewhat immoral.

There is work in a boss making conditions right for the employees to have a job in the first place. But remember, the boss draws a salary. Each year he gets better at handling his financial risk and he gets better at making conditions right for the employees. Why should he continue to get the lion’s share of the profit? Because he who has the gold makes the rules.

As for being self-employed, the tax benefits are obvious. Due to taking on risk, the self-employed get tax breaks which employees earning the same amount of money for somebody else do not get. Only the taking on of risk is the difference. But that risk becomes easier because you get used to it.
 
Each year he gets better at handling his financial risk and he gets better at making conditions right for the employees. Why should he continue to get the lion’s share of the profit?
I think you answered your own question.
 
I’ve often thought about this myself, and I think this is an interesting perspective. I think there should be a reward for risk and taking responsibility… but in many industries the hardest working is the lowest paid.
 
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Which is a mutual benefit of their employment. They can take those skills (which make them more marketable) and move on to something better or if they so choose, take those skills and start their own business.
 
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Each year he gets better at handling his financial risk and he gets better at making conditions right for the employees. Why should he continue to get the lion’s share of the profit?
I think you answered your own question.
I think the point was that the boss’s job can steadily be getting easier, while his income is increasing at a rate far exceeding the rate at which the wages of the staff (whose jobs are not getting easier) are increasing.

Ideally you’d have more of a connection between effort and reward.
 
If the OP is talking more about the flippers who are primarily taking advantage of rising housing costs in an area, then IMO it is immoral. People need somewhere to live, like they need food. Those house flippers are a bit like the powerful in a famine-stricken country who use their position to make a profit from food sent there as aid for the hungry.
Good grief! There is absolutely no comparison.
 
In the case of any business with employees, the fact that the hardest work is done by the lowest on the totem pole, and those lowest often do not get out of their situation, leads me to believe business is somewhat immoral.

There is work in a boss making conditions right for the employees to have a job in the first place. But remember, the boss draws a salary. Each year he gets better at handling his financial risk and he gets better at making conditions right for the employees. Why should he continue to get the lion’s share of the profit? Because he who has the gold makes the rules.

As for being self-employed, the tax benefits are obvious. Due to taking on risk, the self-employed get tax breaks which employees earning the same amount of money for somebody else do not get. Only the taking on of risk is the difference. But that risk becomes easier because you get used to it.
It would be interesting to hear your views on this subject in 2040 or 2060.
 
I remember when a person might look for a “fixer-upper,” a house that was run-down and therefore somewhat more affordable, for the purpose of actually living there, while gradually making improvements. This was their home, however, where they actually lived, and not just a money-making commodity. I personally do not care for the house flipping business phenomenon, since these lower priced homes are becoming increasingly more difficult to acquire, for someone who can only afford a lower-priced home to live in, due to increased competition. Most of the old “starter homes” in my neighborhood are now quickly being bought up by speculators, turned into much larger and more expensive homes, and then quickly sold again for a much higher price. Of course, my not liking it does not make it immoral.
 
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Of course one thing to remember and one thing they may not show you are the houses that they lose money on.
 
In the case of any business with employees, the fact that the hardest work is done by the lowest on the totem pole
That may he the case in your business, but is definitely an overgeneralization on the whole.
 
In the case of any business with employees, the fact that the hardest work is done by the lowest on the totem pole, and those lowest often do not get out of their situation, leads me to believe business is somewhat immoral.
My parents owned a business, and in the case of small businesses at least, the owner usually works the hardest.
There is work in a boss making conditions right for the employees to have a job in the first place. But remember, the boss draws a salary. Each year he gets better at handling his financial risk and he gets better at making conditions right for the employees. Why should he continue to get the lion’s share of the profit? Because he who has the gold makes the rules.

As for being self-employed, the tax benefits are obvious. Due to taking on risk, the self-employed get tax breaks which employees earning the same amount of money for somebody else do not get. Only the taking on of risk is the difference. But that risk becomes easier because you get used to it.
Why should he take the lion’s share of the profit? Well, if the business fails, the employees still made their salaries, whereas he lost both his labor and his capital. Maybe he makes a big profit, but maybe he works a year and has nothing to show for it or works a lifetime and watches the whole thing go down the drain in a year. There aren’t any guarantees in business. (Surely you know that?)

Besides, sometimes there is no way for a single laborer to run the enterprise that suits their talents, let alone start it up. Modern hospitals and factories couldn’t be started or run by one person who does all the work on top of all the administration.

Other people cannot sleep at night with the kind of risk that business owners make.
I think the point was that the boss’s job can steadily be getting easier, while his income is increasing at a rate far exceeding the rate at which the wages of the staff (whose jobs are not getting easier) are increasing.

Ideally you’d have more of a connection between effort and reward.
The boss’s job can steadily be getting easier? What’s the guarantee of that? If the employees steal from work, who are they stealing from? The business owner! What if they loiter around and get paid for not working? Who are they stealing from? The business owner! Employees can exploit their position, too, and it is unfortunately not uncommon that they don’t feel a bit of scruples about doing it.
If the OP is talking more about the flippers who are primarily taking advantage of rising housing costs in an area, then IMO it is immoral. People need somewhere to live, like they need food. Those house flippers are a bit like the powerful in a famine-stricken country who use their position to make a profit from food sent there as aid for the hungry.
Um, no, a lot of times they’re taking a house that no one wants to live in and doing the work and applying the expertise to make it a place someone does want to live in.
 
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Of course one thing to remember and one thing they may not show you are the houses that they lose money on.
If anyone doesn’t know home builders and houseflippers who went bankrupt during the last housing crash, they weren’t paying attention. Yes, real estate is a very risky business. Forget that at your peril.
 
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