Morality of Killing in the case of Abortionists

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Would it be morally acceptable to kill someone who murders the unborn on a daily bases?:confused:
 
No! Justice is mine says the Lord. Thou shall not kill. I can certainly understand anyone’s outrage at the continued killing of innocent children by abortionists across the world, and have argued that we give too much to Caesar in protecting their right to private property whilst they do their killing. However we cannot become like them in sanctioning someone else’s death based on our subjective judgement. Pray for them and their victims, both the mothers and their children, but as a Catholic you cannot kill. I respect you for your outrage.
 
I’m not a wierdo, people. I was just curious because…I forget…I think I read it somewhere, Lol…

(No, I’m not trying to murder anyone)
 
Not if you are Pro Life!
Pro Life…it’s not just for fetuses!
 
Discerning13 said:
Would it be morally acceptable to kill someone who murders the unborn on a daily bases?:confused:
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Killing someone is not something that an individual can abrogate to himself unless self defense is in question.

So someone is intent in killing you or someone in your presence and you are defending yourself or the other person, if the law allows for self defense you are “allowed” to take the attacker’s life. Carefull though that we should NOT do it out of hatred or rage.

Because that unborn baby cannot be protected by the self defense laws you cannot claim self defense in their cases. YES they were objectively murdered. But since you cannot take the place of jury, judge and executioner YOU are not allowed to take the life of the murderer. BUT do not worry. GOD’s justice is perfect. Pray for his conversion and repentance.
Many have “repented” and changed their hearts, it is possible.

Peace 👍
 
While reading up on the Church’s position on capital punishment, I wondered about this myself. Since capital punishment is considered just in cases where killing the person is the only means by which you can guarantee that they won’t continue taking lives, it seems to make sense that killing an abortionist would fall under this category. The more I thought about it, though, the same logic could then also apply to politicians who are adamant in their support of abortion. This then puts one on a slippery slope whereby you can potentially justify the murder of anyone who is pro-abortion. The speed at which this devolved into an exercise in relativism was fairly rapid. That brought me back to my original conclusion, which is that murder is never justified. It actually helped nudge my overall opinion on capital punishment.
 
JerryZ said:
Killing someone is not something that an individual can abrogate to himself unless self defense is in question.

So someone is intent in killing you or someone in your presence and you are defending yourself or the other person, if the law allows for self defense you are “allowed” to take the attacker’s life. Carefull though that we should NOT do it out of hatred or rage.

Because that unborn baby cannot be protected by the self defense laws you cannot claim self defense in their cases. YES they were objectively murdered. But since you cannot take the place of jury, judge and executioner YOU are not allowed to take the life of the murderer. BUT do not worry. GOD’s justice is perfect. Pray for his conversion and repentance.
Many have “repented” and changed their hearts, it is possible.

Peace 👍
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Wait, so if we were to live in a place where self defense was illegal, it would then be immoral to defend ourselves or others? Wouldn’t such a law be unjust?

Definitely not saying we should murder abortionists, just trying to understand the concept. :o
 
Kamaduck said:
Wait, so if we were to live in a place where self defense was illegal, it would then be immoral to defend ourselves or others? Wouldn’t such a law be unjust?

Definitely not saying we should murder abortionists, just trying to understand the concept. :o
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Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek.

So in fact present laws that say you may kill somebody in self defence are already not in line with Jesus’ teaching.
 
agnes_therese said:
In other words, would it be OK to be a pro-life murderer? – think about that for a moment.
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Maybe developing this a bit further. What about not killing abortionists but causing injury to them in such a way that they can no longer pursue their occupation as abortionists, for example by shooting them in the hand or elbow. That would not be contrary to “pro life” as you wouldn’t be taking a life. But it would still be a malicious act.
 
Cirdan_XII said:
Maybe developing this a bit further. What about not killing abortionists but causing injury to them in such a way that they can no longer pursue their occupation as abortionists, for example by shooting them in the hand or elbow. That would not be contrary to “pro life” as you wouldn’t be taking a life. But it would still be a malicious act.
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I think that deliberately maiming someone IS contrary to pro-life.
 
Cirdan_XII said:
Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek.

So in fact present laws that say you may kill somebody in self defence are already not in line with Jesus’ teaching.
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OK, I just looked it up in the Catechism and it says that killing in self-defense falls under the principle of double effect, and is only justified if the person’s intention was to save their own life, and killed the aggressor as an unintended consequence. This makes sense to me. 🙂

Killing an abortionist in a non-emergency situation seems like it would not fit with this. The murderer’s intention was to commit murder.
 
OK, here’s a comparison. Would it be alright to kill a person who worked at the Nazi concentration camps, if my goal was to save the prisoners from being killed? It seems like it would.

So what the difference between them and abortionists?

I’m not sure. I think it is a very bad *strategy *to kill abortionists. And I think it is understandable that many abortionists think they are not doing anything wrong, so we ought to be disposed to convince them, not to exterminate them. But otherwise, I think you cannot advocate for killing the Nazis – who may have thought their actions were justifiable too – without implying that killing abortionists would not be intrinsically wrong.

In our culture, however, it is wrong, because of the circumstances of our society.
 
Discerning13 said:
Would it be morally acceptable to kill someone who murders the unborn on a daily bases?:confused:
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Comes down to you cannot address a wrong with another wrong. ‘Two wrongs don’t make a right.’ It may seem hard in such circumstances, BUT that is the reality.

The big problem is that while ‘we’ percieve abortionists as involved in something abhorrent and murderous, such people mostly don’t and are indeed protected in their actions [within ‘legal’ constraints] by ‘secular law’.

I no longer vote in elections because all major Parties in my country are pro-abortion as is currently legislated. I am in effect ‘morally disenfranchised’.
 
Cirdan_XII said:
Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek.

So in fact present laws that say you may kill somebody in self defence are already not in line with Jesus’ teaching.
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So Catholic teaching on self-defense and the principle of the Just War is … not in line with what Christ taught?
 
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