All you’ve just said is that any god you imagine has to conform with your personal take on morality.
The Torah is not new. It evolved from those same earlier codes and cultures. So in effect you are correct.
Hi Buffalo,
I think buffalo loses because of Godwin’s law.
Hi Crow, Buffalo,
i never used those words at all, nor did i speak about my personal idea of morality.
Construct an argument why Hitler was wrong not using Godless morality.
i implied that G-dless attempts to form a “moral system” haven’t had a much of a history, they attempt to make Reason the rule. it hasn’t worked out well anywhere that i know of. but tens upon tens of millions of millions have perished in the attempt. u.s.s.r., red, china, pol pot, u.s. and others.
the fact that their morality is entirely based on Reason means that they only had intrinsic ideas as to the best way too proceed.
that led to those deaths, Reason, does in fact kill at a much higher rate than any known Christian dissension, the proof is written all over history. it is even more evident when you consider Christians are roughly 40 percent of humanity
people are far from perfect, and every argument from Reason has its valid opposite. indeed if intrinsic ideals were sufficient, then what need would we have for a moral system?
nor was the Torah based on previous codes of conduct, all those people except Noah and family perished in the flood, attested to not only in the Torah, but also reflected in stories about the flood from cultures around the world. their conduct led directly to their destruction. much the same way i might throw out my property if it were to become moldy and corrupted.
morality based on Reason alone is a disaster, you don’t have to believe me, just be a student of history.
Hey warpspeedpetey,i never used those words at all, nor did i speak about my personal idea of morality.
i implied that G-dless attempts to form a “moral system” haven’t had a much of a history, they attempt to make Reason the rule. it hasn’t worked out well anywhere that i know of. but tens upon tens of millions of millions have perished in the attempt. u.s.s.r., red, china, pol pot, u.s. and others.
the fact that their morality is entirely based on Reason means that they only had intrinsic ideas as to the best way too proceed.
that led to those deaths, Reason, does in fact kill at a much higher rate than any known Christian dissension, the proof is written all over history. it is even more evident when you consider Christians are roughly 40 percent of humanity
people are far from perfect, and every argument from Reason has its valid opposite. indeed if intrinsic ideals were sufficient, then what need would we have for a moral system?
nor was the Torah based on previous codes of conduct, all those people except Noah and family perished in the flood, attested to not only in the Torah, but also reflected in stories about the flood from cultures around the world. their conduct led directly to their destruction. much the same way i might throw out my property if it were to become moldy and corrupted.
morality based on Reason alone is a disaster, you don’t have to believe me, just be a student of history.
Christians are sinners. The church is a hospital for sinners. Sinners fail. Failing the ideal is not a failure of the ideal.
You’re equating morality with obedience to a god. Okay. You’re also saying you are moral because you have a reason to act morally. Okay again.
Whether you want to accept this or not you were born into morality. You cannot grow today without being exposed to it somewhere. If you as an atheist are moral, it is because you were brought up in it.
The problem is that you are claiming that this morality came from the J/C God - or at least that is what I think you are claiming. IOW, all morality is from the J/C God and all moral behavior is a direct result of that? The thing is, this is simply conjecture on your (and other Christians’s) part(s). Why? Because as big as you seem to be on objectives and absolutes, there is no, zero, “objective” “absolute” proof that the J/C God even exists. It’s all a matter of faith. Believing the Bible is a matter of faith - it is all hearsay written by nobody-knows-who and compliled by folks with a definite agenda (but that is for another thread).
Faith is opening one’s heart and mind to God. The evidence we have for God is through converging and convincing arguments. You are not the first to doubt. In fact many Catholics doubt or doubted. One of the Apostles doubted.The problem is that you are claiming that this morality came from the J/C God - or at least that is what I think you are claiming. IOW, all morality is from the J/C God and all moral behavior is a direct result of that? The thing is, this is simply conjecture on your (and other Christians’s) part(s). Why? Because as big as you seem to be on objectives and absolutes, there is no, zero, “objective” “absolute” proof that the J/C God even exists. It’s all a matter of faith. Believing the Bible is a matter of faith - it is all hearsay written by nobody-knows-who and compliled by folks with a definite agenda (but that is for another thread).
those were wars between christians not about christians, and they were secular not religious governments, the exact kind of government i say is wrong.
