Morality without God?

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Charlemagne_II said:
Fisha
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Immorality with God?
Yes.
This place is a great example.

You should not condemn someone for not being a “practicing” Catholic.

For those who are not practicing, I don’t blame you. The Church is filled with lots of modern day Pharisees.**

It is unusual for a person to enter another person’s house and trash him and his family with insults.

Best be careful or you may be asked to leave. :mad:

So far you have posted 13 times. Is that your unlucky number?
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Oh no? Asked to leave? On what terms?
This is Philosophy. Obviously you are too smart to understand what that means.

13 is a lucky number. It’s the 12 plus THE ONE. duh.
Immorality happens more with those who say they know God, when God knows them not.
 
Fisha said:
. . . Immorality happens more with those who say they know God, when God knows them not.
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you may have a point:
Matt 11: 21 'Alas for you, Chorazin! Alas for you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 Still, I tell you that it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on Judgement Day than for you.
 
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. . . Immorality happens more with those who say they know God, when God knows them not.**

Immorality is universal. The devil prowls the world seeking whom he may devour. Hypocrisy is also universal, and is more common in self righteous atheists than they will ever admit. I ought to know.
 
Charlemagne_II said:
** Originally Posted by Fisha View Post
. . . Immorality happens more with those who say they know God, when God knows them not.**

Immorality is universal. The devil prowls the world seeking whom he may devour. Hypocrisy is also universal, and is more common in self righteous atheists than they will ever admit. I ought to know.
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And some don’t know when the devil has devoured them up…like the Pharisees.

Did you report me yet?
Jesus might like some buddhists (atheists) better than some roman catholics.
 
Fisha said:
Immorality with God?
Yes.
This place is a great example.

You should not condemn someone for not being a “practicing” Catholic.

For those who are not practicing, I don’t blame you. The Church is filled with lots of modern day Pharisees.

We go to Church for God, not for man.
Seek God on your own.
Become a desert monk in your own abode.
No envelopes or self-righteous people involved.
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Certainly, in your own little self-created sanctuary there will be no one there to question you on your definition of righteousness. Seeking God, on your own, could be no different than making up your own God that appeases and bows to your self determined sense of righteousness. Perhaps going to Church and accepting people for who or what they are, in truth, with all their issues might reveal something of yourself to yourself that is not possible when you simply go off by yourself?

Perhaps what you fear most is allowing others to question your motives the way you have vociferously questioned theirs? How about trying to love them despite their Pharisaic motives in order to guide them to your enlightened mountaintop from which you assume the privilege of condemning them?

On the other hand, it is not clear from your spiteful invective that your mountaintop offers much in the way of sanctuary even to yourself.
 
Peter_Plato said:
Certainly, in your own little self-created sanctuary there will be no one there to question you on your definition of righteousness. Seeking God, on your own, could be no different than making up your own God that appeases and bows to your self determined sense of righteousness. Perhaps going to Church and accepting people for who or what they are, in truth, with all their issues might reveal something of yourself to yourself that is not possible when you simply go off by yourself?

Perhaps what you fear most is allowing others to question your motives the way you have vociferously questioned theirs? How about trying to love them despite their Pharisaic motives in order to guide them to your enlightened mountaintop from which you assume the privilege of condemning them?
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Sure. We should just all blindly follow the modern Pharisees.
How can you “love” someone who turns away sinners from the Love of God.
It is written that you seek God on your own and Love Him with your Whole Heart.
I"m wasting my time here.
Pax humana!
O St. Michael…
 
Fisha said:
Sure. We should just all blindly follow the modern Pharisees.
How can you “love” someone who turns away sinners from the Love of God.
It is written that you seek God on your own and Love Him with your Whole Heart.
I"m wasting my time here.
Pax humana!
O St. Michael…
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No one is saying we should follow modern Pharisees. However, we are called to love everyone and to act always to their welfare, especially their eternal welfare, even Pharisees.

It is not written that “you should seek God on your own.” It is written that we love God with all our hearts, but to love others, even our enemies, as we love ourselves.

To condemn someone as a Pharisee is not following Jesus’ prescription not to judge (in the sense of condemning or “writing-off”) others. Perhaps they are wrong, but that should not be a reason to hate them or stop loving them.
 
Fisha said:
. . . O St. Michael…
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are you Jehovah Witness? I am asking because just yesterday i was talking to someone who said she had gone to some meetings and half the time was spent on scripture and the other half blasting the Catholic Church
is that what you are doing? - sounds like it would be time badly spent
dwelling on one’s, almost always presumed, superiority over others, takes away from focussing on what is above you
 
Fisha

**Jesus might like some buddhists (atheists) better than some roman catholics. **

Yet it’s doubtful that some atheists would like Jesus. I ought to know. 😉

Therein lies the rub!

“Everyone who acknowledges me before others I will acknowledge before my heavenly Father. But whoever denies me before others, I will deny before my heavenly Father.” Matthew 10:32-33

That’s Jesus condemning, not me. 😉
 
Fisha said:
Well then, what was Jesus the Christ doing? Was He not here to save us from “religion”.
And you cannot have morality without God. He talks to everyone. Where would you find a place that did not have God or know about gods? Makes you ponder why did Saint Antony and the other desert monks lived out in the desert.
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vitamin D
 
vitamin D :rotfl:

Which is why there are so many atheists in Scandinavia. They need more vitamin D! 👍👍👍
 
PRmerger said:
Well…yeah.

You don’t think that’s a valid request? Seriously?

I haven’t found a single document that says that Pope Innocent ordered the extermination of any group of people.

Yet you are asserting that he did.

Proof, please.
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SInce you’re responding…IF you truly are interested…you may do the research for yourself. The fact that you had no idea what the term “Good Christian” was in reference to, lead me to believe you never researched the Albigensian Crusade or Cathars at all.🤷
 
"Judas was more zealous in the cause of the enemy than he was in the cause of Our Lord. Men who leave the Church in like manner seek to atone for their uneasy consciences by attacking the Church. Since their conscience will not leave them alone, they will not leave the Guide of their conscience alone. The Voltaire who left the Church was the Voltaire who scoffed. Their hatred is not due to their unbelief, but their unbelief is due to their hatred. The Church makes them uneasy in their sin and they feel that if they could drive the Church from the world they could sin with impunity." Archbishop Fulton Sheen
 
Publisher said:
SInce you’re responding…IF you truly are interested…you may do the research for yourself. The fact that you had no idea what the term “Good Christian” was in reference to, lead me to believe you never researched the Albigensian Crusade or Cathars at all.🤷
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I did some research.

Couldn’t find anything from the good pope authorizing the killing or extermination of anyone.

I think you’re applying hyperbole to boost your argument.

Now, if you have something you’d like to proffer from the magisterium, I’d be all ears.

Otherwise, your assertion is without merit. No pope authorized the killing of anyone.
 
Men who leave Islam in like manner seek to atone for their uneasy consciences by attacking Islam. Since their conscience will not leave them alone, they will not leave the Guide of their conscience alone. The Catholic who left Islam was the Catholic who scoffed. Their hatred is not due to their unbelief, but their unbelief is due to their hatred. Islam makes them uneasy in their sin and they feel that if they could drive Islam from the world they could sin with impunity." Muslim Cleric

So, should we guilt trip people into becoming Muslims?
 
Linux said:
Men who leave Islam in like manner seek to atone for their uneasy consciences by attacking Islam. Since their conscience will not leave them alone, they will not leave the Guide of their conscience alone. The Catholic who left Islam was the Catholic who scoffed. Their hatred is not due to their unbelief, but their unbelief is due to their hatred. Islam makes them uneasy in their sin and they feel that if they could drive Islam from the world they could sin with impunity." Muslim Cleric

So, should we guilt trip people into becoming Muslims?
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PRmerger said:
Really? Do you think that guys who claim to be God are “nice”?
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If some one claims them self to be a god that doesn’t say much by itself about how “nice” the person is. Then again there are a lot of attributes that can be conflated with the word nice including “kind” or “admirable.” So the answer could vary depending on which meaning of “nice” is applied.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
If some one claims them self to be a god that doesn’t say much by itself about how “nice” the person is.
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I think I’m going to have to disagree with you here, TS. No nice person goes around claiming to be god (unless, of course, he actually *is *God.)
 
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