He’s not boasting. I don’t know how it works in the States but in Ireland drivers are required to display their Tax, Insurance, and vehicle road-worthiness test certificates on their windscreen. His are not for his vehicle at all.
Morally obliged to report co-worker to authorities?
- Thread starter AdamP88
- Start date
- Status
Y
YADA
Guest
Well -
since you put it that way … perhaps the poster should offer him sanctuary and be obligated to provide him a license and voucher for insurance 
H
Hoosier_Daddy
Guest
Oh good! That was exactly my point!!!Well -
The term I would use can’t be used on the forum.
H
Hoosier_Daddy
Guest
Y
YADA
Guest
P
pensmama87
Guest
My parents and one of my sisters were in a bad accident a few years ago. They were struck by an uninsured driver who crossed into oncoming traffic while texting and driving. My mother and sister have had chronic health issues related to injuries they sustained.
They did not end up paying, but it was an absolute mess getting it sorted out, and they had to testify in court etc because of the other driver’s offense. So it’s not been a walk in the park for them, and there’s been additional trouble because of the other driver’s lack of insurance.
They did not end up paying, but it was an absolute mess getting it sorted out, and they had to testify in court etc because of the other driver’s offense. So it’s not been a walk in the park for them, and there’s been additional trouble because of the other driver’s lack of insurance.
A
Anglewannabe
Guest
If that is the case, it would appear anyone who walks by his car would be able to tell his papers are no good and it is just a matter of time before he is caught,
My suggestion is to pray for discernment. If your only motive in reporting him is you have a grudge against him and you just want revenge, I think it is time to pray to God to learn to live and let live
On the other hand, if you really feel God is calling you to report him to save innocent victims, then go ahead
Angie
R
Rosebud77
Guest
What I have bolded stands out here!.
MYOB is I think the right response, it really is.
And of course we cannot get motor tax if we have no insurance. I I am in Ireland too of course so know the system here too)
See to your car. Leave this to him.
When I came to Ireland it took me a year for them to sort the paperwork for my car. Technically during that time I was not taxed or insured here
No one was harmed.
Just leave him be? To his own conscience.
R
Rosebud77
Guest
Agree totally with bolded.
If you look at our Garda twitter web site you will see that we do have checkpoints and cars are impounded but on minor roads this only happens if there is an incident.
S
ShrodingersCat
Guest
Being Irish, as you are yourself, it wouldn’t have occurred to me to report. I don’t particularly care if he doesn’t have the correct licence or tax, but not having insurance is really stupid. However I’d say its getting really common because of the ridiculous premiums. Anyway, in the case of an accident the worst that would happen is that someone else’s premium would go up, unless they were idiots too.
I don’t know what the moral thing to do is, other than tell him he’s an idiot. But all I’m saying is it would never have OCCURRED to me to report it.
R
Roseeurekacross
Guest
You guys haven’t recently swapped over to electronic non display documentation have you?
Here in Aus we have just swapped to that. Police now just scan each vehicle as it drives by, for rego etc.
No more window stickers.
D
Della
Guest
But does this really rise to that level? If he has the money for the taxes, etc. he certainly should have the money to make recompense to anyone affected by an accident he may cause. Indeed, having to pay out of his own pocket for damages or (heaven forbid) injuries would do more to convince him he needs insurance than anything else.
F
ffg
Guest
OP must be a pretty trusting person for someone with no license to be sharing such info.
As always, a paragraph is tough to tell full context, but this is an interesting one.
Perhaps first talk to a priest.
I would make it clear to the co-worker, the penalties for if he was pulled over. Might want to find the state’s dmv site and penalties and share those.
A simple speeding ticket would probably turn into an arrest, a little jail time, court date, car impounded, significant driving suspension, and lots of $.
As always, a paragraph is tough to tell full context, but this is an interesting one.
Perhaps first talk to a priest.
I would make it clear to the co-worker, the penalties for if he was pulled over. Might want to find the state’s dmv site and penalties and share those.
A simple speeding ticket would probably turn into an arrest, a little jail time, court date, car impounded, significant driving suspension, and lots of $.
P
pnewton
Guest
Seriously affect? Just to be clear, lack of these things in no way affects one’s driving or possibility of an accident, except maybe in a positive way of them being more cautious and contentious in following traffic laws. What you are talking about is only money that may or may not be owed, and may or may not be able do be paid in a timely manner. Do you know this person’s bank balance?
If you feel the need to report, then by all means follow your conscience, and accept those consequences, if any, that follow. However, unless you find where Church teaching mandates reporting to authorities such things as traffic offenses, then I stand by my statement that the Church does not teach one must report such things.
I have reported dangerous drivers (intoxicated) in the past. I cannot imagine reporting violations that do not affect public safety.
P
pnewton
Guest
I can post the term we use here. We call the no-gotta’s, because once they have no insurance, they cannot renew taxes or DL. It is such a common thing that when one is arrested on one, they are usually arrested on all three charges.
Yeah. Because if someone is breaking a perfectly reasonable law that’s totally ok.
E
Echolynn
Guest
It sounds like
A) He knows he’s doing something wrong
B) He not only does not care, he’s bragging that he’s getting away with it.
If he gets in a wreck, he’s stealing the other party’s time, money, health, and energy in dealing with the claims.
If he wants the privilege of driving, he needs to pay the associated fees and follow the rules just like everyone else.
He’s lying, cheating and stealing, and you know he’s lying, cheating, and stealing.
I advocate for reporting him.
However, your question is not “should I report him?” but : “am I morally obligated to report a crime I am aware of?”
There are degrees. It’s not like he’s stealing food from someone who won’t miss it, because his family with die without it (which is still stealing, but has more extenuating circumstances). He’s actually proud of / bragging that he’s taking advantage of the rest of the people who pay into the system.
Matthew 18:15-17: “If your brother sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother.
If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.’
If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.”
He is putting others in financial danger every day by potentially causing an accident that someone else will have to pay for.
Catechism 1868-1869 states:
Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:
Would it put you in danger to report him? If not, I’m leaning toward yes. There is a moral obligation here to turn him in.
Best wishes in your difficult situation.
~E
A) He knows he’s doing something wrong
B) He not only does not care, he’s bragging that he’s getting away with it.
If he gets in a wreck, he’s stealing the other party’s time, money, health, and energy in dealing with the claims.
If he wants the privilege of driving, he needs to pay the associated fees and follow the rules just like everyone else.
He’s lying, cheating and stealing, and you know he’s lying, cheating, and stealing.
I advocate for reporting him.
However, your question is not “should I report him?” but : “am I morally obligated to report a crime I am aware of?”
There are degrees. It’s not like he’s stealing food from someone who won’t miss it, because his family with die without it (which is still stealing, but has more extenuating circumstances). He’s actually proud of / bragging that he’s taking advantage of the rest of the people who pay into the system.
Matthew 18:15-17: “If your brother sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother.
If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.’
If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.”
He is putting others in financial danger every day by potentially causing an accident that someone else will have to pay for.
Catechism 1868-1869 states:
Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:
- by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
- by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
- by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
- by protecting evil-doers.
Would it put you in danger to report him? If not, I’m leaning toward yes. There is a moral obligation here to turn him in.
Best wishes in your difficult situation.
~E
- Status