Moratorium on discussions about same-sex marriage yes or no?

[Bennie_P]

Moratorium on discussions about same-sex marriage yes or no?

It appear to me, that the subject of same sex marriage is continues to posted in new threads over and over with many of the same arguments being discussed over and over. IMHO this discussion seem to be started by persons whom come to theis forum to push to what seems to me a agenda to redicule the Churches postion on the subject and try to provoke angry on CAF. Many time it seems after the aguments have been exhausted, persons will come back under different user names and start a new thread on the subject in order to once again riducle the Church, her teachings on the subject and those who follow the Churches teachings. would it not be in this case proper to have moratorium on the subject? Yes? or No? why or why not?

It is obvious most of the discussions are not presenting anything new, but are exposing the younger (teens younger) forum members to extreme falsehoods in which the “gay” appologist are using this forum to promote. IMHO.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

What’s to discuss? It is merely two people of the same sex, living together in mortal sin. Regardless of what man’s law calls there is no marriage and it is still just that, i.e,. two people living in mortal sin.

 

[baylee]

If we think a poster is trolling, then it is best to ignore. I don’t believe placing a moratorium on any topic is a wise precedent to set.

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

There’s not much to discuss about the thing itself - it doesn’t exist, the nomenclature used for it not withstanding. But it is a source of attacks on true marriage, the family, and the faith. We can’t risk pausing to analyze those attacks by steering clear of the topic that prompts them.

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[mdgspencer]

The media subtlely and sometimes not subtlely promotes the rightness of gay sex. It is good to hear Christians speak against gay sex in all its ramifications and to hear some people defend morals in this way, in accord with the Church’s teachings. It is true that it is annoying to hear gay advocates speak endlessly in defense of gay sex, going endlessly around in circles, saying the same things over and over. But still, it is good to hear the Catholic voice on this matter. If we don’t hear it here, where will we hear it?

 

[Newbie2]

I think there whould be a moratorium on polls on “Should we have a Moratorium on discussions about same-sex marriage?”

 

[Exalt]

The media subtlely and sometimes not subtlely promotes the rightness of gay sex. It is good to hear Christians speak against gay sex in all its ramifications and to hear some people defend morals in this way, in accord with the Church’s teachings. It is true that it is annoying to hear gay advocates speak endlessly in defense of gay sex, going endlessly around in circles, saying the same things over and over. But still, it is good to hear the Catholic voice on this matter. If we don’t hear it here, where will we hear it?

Speaking as a gay person, it’s quite clear that conservative Christians talk way more about gay sex than actual out-of-the-closet, comfortable gay people. There’s waaaaaay more to gay relationships than sex.

 

[rpp]

Speaking as a gay person, it’s quite clear that conservative Christians talk way more about gay sex than actual out-of-the-closet, comfortable gay people. There’s waaaaaay more to gay relationships than sex.

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[Exalt]

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I’m gay. I’m out of the closet. I date and have a rather normal dating life. If I were to count all the discussions on gay sex that I’ve had in the past two years, the vast majority have occurred on these forums. Conservative Christians are the ones that are obsessed with it, not your average out gay person.

 

[mdgspencer]

I notice that the Catechism of the Catholic Church condemns homosexual acts. It doesn’t condemn other things that a homosexual might do. I spoke of gay sex because this is the epitomy of homosexual acts. This is not to comdemn homosexuals, who in fact may be chaste out of Christian convictions.

The original posting is:

Speaking as a gay person, it’s quite clear that conservative Christians talk way more about gay sex than actual out-of-the-closet, comfortable gay people. There’s waaaaaay more to gay relationships than sex.

 

[MarieCB]

I’m gay. I’m out of the closet. I date and have a rather normal dating life. If I were to count all the discussions on gay sex that I’ve had in the past two years, the vast majority have occurred on these forums. Conservative Christians are the ones that are obsessed with it, not your average out gay person.

Conservative Christians are obsessed with sex, plain and simple.

 

[agangbern]

Speaking as a gay person, it’s quite clear that conservative Christians talk way more about gay sex than actual out-of-the-closet, comfortable gay people. There’s waaaaaay more to gay relationships than sex.

Why, in the first place, introduce yourself as “gay” if really there is nothing to talk about gay sex? What for do you have to introduce yourself as “gay”?

 

[Newbie2]

Why, in the first place, introduce yourself as “gay” if really there is nothing to talk about gay sex? What for do you have to introduce yourself as “gay”?

Exactomundo!!

I’ve never understood why some homosexuals seem to have a need to wear their orientation on their sleeves…

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

I’m gay. I’m out of the closet. I date and have a rather normal dating life. If I were to count all the discussions on gay sex that I’ve had in the past two years, the vast majority have occurred on these forums. Conservative Christians are the ones that are obsessed with it, not your average out gay person.

You obviously are not from San Francisco. If you are, your nose is growing.

 

[Annn]

Why, in the first place, introduce yourself as “gay” if really there is nothing to talk about gay sex? What for do you have to introduce yourself as “gay”?

I’ll answer this. I’m gay. I’m sexually attracted to other women, but I also:

want to date them
want to find one to share my life with
want to raise kids with one
want to bring one home to my family
want to get a civil union with one

I don’t really think that when straight 13 year olds think about their wedding day one would say they’re obsessing over sex.

Neither was I.

 

[agangbern]

I’ll answer this. I’m gay. I’m sexually attracted to other women, but I also:

want to date them
want to find one to share my life with
want to raise kids with one
want to bring one home to my family
want to get a civil union with one

I don’t really think that when straight 13 year olds think about their wedding day one would say they’re obsessing over sex.

Neither was I.

So, you, a woman is sexually attracted to other women. By “sexually attracted” you mean you simply admire the way they dress, the way they look? Or what do you mean when you say you are “sexually attracted” to other women?

You also want to raise kids with another woman? You mean to say the two of you would adopt a kid? But the purpose of marriage is basically for procreation.What possibility there is for two women to become “one flesh” and procreate?

 

[Annn]

So, you, a woman is sexually attracted to other women. By “sexually attracted” you mean you simply admire the way they dress, the way they look? Or what do you mean when you say you are “sexually attracted” to other women?

You also want to raise kids with another woman? You mean to say the two of you would adopt a kid? But the purpose of marriage is basically for procreation.What possibility there is for two women to become “one flesh” and procreate?

Um…the definition of sexual attraction seems self-evident to me. Some women I “admire” in the way you describe (which sounds like friendship…like people who dress well or who are articulate or whatever) but that is not attraction. Attraction means I want to kiss, hug, be close to, hold hands with…etc…with women and not at all with men. I’m not sure if it’s possible to clarify any more. I do not get butterflies in my stomach around men. I do around women. The thought of sex with a man is not something I even remotely am interested in.

Lesbians “raise children with each other” in many ways. Some use one of the women’s eggs and a surrogate birth mother. Some use a sperm donor, either a friend or anonymous donation. And some adopt. I understand that many on this forum object greatly to these practices, but they are fairly common among partnered gay folks.

 

[mdgspencer]

What you say is colored in my view by the way that homosexual acts are sinful.

 

[Annn]

What you say is colored in my view by the way that homosexual acts are sinful.

I completely understand and respect that the people on this forum don’t think my life is in line with their moral beliefs. It seemed that posters had questions that could be answered by a queer person, though, so I thought I’d step in. I think it’s important for Catholics at least to be aware of what gay people actually do/believe, just as I see it as my duty to understand the faith of those in my family.

 

[agangbern]

Um…the definition of sexual attraction seems self-evident to me. Some women I “admire” in the way you describe (which sounds like friendship…like people who dress well or who are articulate or whatever) but that is not attraction. Attraction means I want to kiss, hug, be close to, hold hands with…etc…with women and not at all with men. I’m not sure if it’s possible to clarify any more. I do not get butterflies in my stomach around men. I do around women. The thought of sex with a man is not something I even remotely am interested in.

Lesbians “raise children with each other” in many ways. Some use one of the women’s eggs and a surrogate birth mother. Some use a sperm donor, either a friend or anonymous donation. And some adopt. I understand that many on this forum object greatly to these practices, but they are fairly common among partnered gay folks.

So, by “sexual attraction” you mean you want to kiss, hug, be close to, hold hands with…etc.". Does this “etc.” include you want to have sex with another woman?

Using a woman’s egg and a surrogate birth mother; *using a sperm donor.

• But becoming “one flesh” is the means God designed for humans to procreate. In using a woman’s egg and a surrogate birth mother, or in using a sperm donor, there is in it absence of the becoming “one flesh” that God designed. Therefore, though as you claimed* they are fairly common among partnered gay folks*, that commonness is not proof that God has changed His design for human procreation. The practice is still a violation of God’s design and will.