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**Quran desecration crock a win for Jihad spin docs **

June 12, 2005

**BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST **

Robert Mugabe, Zimbabwe’s kleptocrat strongman, destroyed a mosque the other day. It was in Hatcliffe Extension, a shantytown on the edge of Harare razed by the “police.” Mugabe is an equal-opportunity razer: He also bulldozed a Catholic-run AIDS center. The government destroyed the town in order to drive the locals out into the countryside to live on the land stolen from white farmers. Quite how that’s meant to benefit any of the parties involved or the broader needs of Zimbabwe is beyond me, but then I’m no expert in Afro-Marxist economic theory.

The point is the world’s Muslims seem entirely cool with Infidel Bob razing a mosque. Unlike the fallout over Newsweek’s fraudulent story about the Quran being flushed down a toilet, no excitable young men went bananas in Pakistan; no western progressives berated Mugabe for his “cultural insensitivity.” And sadly most of the big shot Muslim spokespersons were still too busy flaying the Bush administration to whip their subjects into a frenzy over Hatcliffe Extension’s pile of Islamic rubble.
 
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Fitz:
And sadly most of the big shot Muslim spokespersons were still too busy flaying the Bush administration to whip their subjects into a frenzy over Hatcliffe Extension’s pile of Islamic rubble.
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Our national media has taught them that one complaint is worth a million headlines, 2 dozen talking heads, at least 6 senators and a few dozen representatives. When we quit paying attention they’ll give it up.
 
Once the standard English “Koran” changed to “Quran” “Qo’ran” and other variations, it was obvious which side western pseduo-intellectuals were on.
 
An excellent article.

My brother-in-law served for a brief time as a guard at Gitmo (actually as a supervisor of other guards). Believe me, most of the guys down there never had it so good compared to what they were living in before. Daily culturally-sensitive meals, Korans handed out to each prisoner, and daily showers. Not to mention living in a climate that many people pay good money to spend time in. Granted, they’re not exactly free to resume blowing themselves up at the nearest Christian church, but there’s trade-offs in everything. One of the inmates even lodged a complaint about the inadequate selection of cream cheese for their morning bagels. Yep, it’s a real hell-hole down there.
 
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David_Paul:
Once the standard English “Koran” changed to “Quran” “Qo’ran” and other variations, it was obvious which side western pseduo-intellectuals were on.
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It would seem that the use of a term more in line with the original Arabic would be more intellectual, not pseudo-intellectual. I see such usage as parallel to using “closer-to-Chinese” Mao Zedong for the former English Mao-Tse-Dung or Guangzhou in the place of the “English” Canton, etc And that goes for other languages as well. For many years the German “Posen” continued to be used for the Polish city of Poznan. It’s an improvement to write words closer to how they are actually used/pronounced.
 
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Richardols:
It’s an improvement to write words closer to how they are actually used/pronounced.
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All you have to show is how Qur’an is an “improvement” or closer to the Arabic than Koran. :rolleyes:
 
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gnjsdad:
And when they’re accused of torturing Americans, I’m sure you won’t have the same attitude.
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Your glib remark is off point, specifically the difference between “torture” and torture, accusation and reality.
Great is the guilt of socialism.

Pope Leo XIII
 
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stumbler:
All you have to show is how Qur’an is an “improvement” or closer to the Arabic than Koran. :rolleyes:
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I believe it has to do with the orthography. As with Mao Zedong. Is Mao Tse Tung wrong? Probably not, but it doesn’t conform to the modern orthography. Anyway, I just leave it to the linguists.
 
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Richardols:
I believe it has to do with the orthography. As with Mao Zedong. Is Mao Tse Tung wrong? Probably not, but it doesn’t conform to the modern orthography. Anyway, I just leave it to the linguists.
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Mao Tse-tung is his name in the older Wade-Giles romanization. Mao Zedong is the modern Hanyu-Pinyin romanization. The W-G, which was the system used in the 19th and early 20th century for transcribing Chinese sounds into Roman letters, was elegant but not so accurate. The Communists replaced it with the Pinyin system which is ugly but a bit more accurate in reproducing the actual sounds. That’s how Peking became Beijing.

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Mao Tse-tung is his name in the older Wade-Giles romanization. Mao Zedong is the modern Hanyu-Pinyin romanization. The W-G, which was the system used in the 19th and early 20th century for transcribing Chinese sounds into Roman letters, was elegant but not so accurate. The Communists replaced it with the Pinyin system which is ugly but a bit more accurate in reproducing the actual sounds. That’s how Peking became Beijing.
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Thanks for the explanation. I know that for the longest time, the Nationalists on Taiwan continued to call it Peiping (northern peace) rather than Beijing (northern capital) so as not to recognize that city as the capital of China.
 
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stumbler:
Your glib remark is off point, specifically the difference between “torture” and torture, accusation and reality.
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We’re dealing with accusations of torture, which is why I said “if they’re accused of torturing Americans”, just as Americans are accused of torturing detainees at Guantanamo.

INRI put the quotes around the word torture, not me. That poster obviously believes that real torture is not going on there, and I suspect that, if it were, INRI would not lose any sleep. Also, IMO, that poster would take as 100% gospel fact any accusations of torture inflicted on Americans
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stumbler:
Great is the guilt of socialism.

Pope Leo XIII
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Glad you agree with me that socialism is a flawed ideology and that socialists have much to atone for.👍
 
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gnjsdad:
INRI put the quotes around the word torture, not me. That poster obviously believes that real torture is not going on there, and I suspect that, if it were, INRI would not lose any sleep. Also, IMO, that poster would take as 100% gospel fact any accusations of torture inflicted on Americans
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Glad to see you publicly acknowledge your glib remark is based on your unsubstantiated judgement of another.
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gnjsdad:
Glad you agree with me that socialism is a flawed ideology and that socialists have much to atone for.
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Glad to see you making so much personal progress. 👍
Great is the guilt of socialism.

Pope Leo XIII
 
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gnjsdad:
We’re dealing with accusations of torture, which is why I said “if they’re accused of torturing Americans”, just as Americans are accused of torturing detainees at Guantanamo.

INRI put the quotes around the word torture, not me. That poster obviously believes that real torture is not going on there, and I suspect that, if it were, INRI would not lose any sleep. Also, IMO, that poster would take as 100% gospel fact any accusations of torture inflicted on Americans

Glad you agree with me that socialism is a flawed ideology and that socialists have much to atone for.👍
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I will remind you that my information comes from a first-hand source, not from some newspaper editor or a press release from lawyers of former detainees. Bear in mind that al Qaeda manual explicitly state that prisoners are to make claims of abuse, even if no abuse actually occurred.

As for allegations of torture inflicted on Americans, it doesn’t take any great leap faith to believe that which is publicized via videotape to the entire Arab world on al Jazeera. I don’t recall seeing any beheadings of al Qaeda members by American servicemen on CNN.

I’ll ignore your slur on my character, as it isn’t worthy of a response.
 
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INRI:
It isn’t worthy of a response because it didn’t happen.

When someone encloses a word in quotation marks (as in *all of these **“torture” ***accusations) it shows their disdain for the applicability of the word to the situation.

When I say in response that it’s pretty obvious that INRI doesn’t believe real torture is going on at Guantanamo, I’m drawing a reasonable conclusion from what was said.

Further, when someone says I like James Lilek’s reply to all of these “torture” accusations; and then one reads how Mr. Lilek discusses the subject of the treatment of detainees at Guantanamo; and I say in response that *if real torture were going on there, that INRI probably wouldn’t lose any sleep over that, *that is, again, a conclusion one could reasonably draw from what was said.

This is not a character slur by any means.
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stumbler:
Glad to see you publicly acknowledge your glib remark is based on your unsubstantiated judgement of another.
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To the contrary, it is you who like to make unsubstantiated judgements, my friend.

I’ve told you enough personal details about myself in other posts, yet you persist in trying to tar me with the “socialist” label.

As far as my judgements of the opinions expressed by another poster, I’m confident they are quite substantiated.
 
These endless “torture” stories are nothing more than Democrats continuing the 2004 election campaign. Soros, Lewis, The New York Times, the LA Times, The Nation, MoveOn.org and the rest of the crowd cannot believe Kerry lost. They will keep this up until the 2006 election. At which point they will lose again.

The sick part about it is their overheated rhetoric is getting American troops killed. Not that they care.
 
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gnjsdad:
And when they’re accused of torturing Americans, I’m sure you won’t have the same attitude.
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We do have the same additude, only the press…yawns.

Oh, yeah, and our prisoners don’t lose sleep, they lose their bloody heads. Gevena Conventions, my a**.
 
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David_Paul:
These endless “torture” stories are nothing more than Democrats continuing the 2004 election campaign. Soros, Lewis, The New York Times, the LA Times, The Nation, MoveOn.org and the rest of the crowd cannot believe Kerry lost. They will keep this up until the 2006 election. At which point they will lose again.

The sick part about it is their overheated rhetoric is getting American troops killed. Not that they care.
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And don’t forget my own Senator and traitor, Dick Durbin that gave a rant last night in the Senate. He is an outrage!
 
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