More Catholic schools closing across US

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I have to ask. How many young people that graduated at the top of their public school class in high school have you seen flunk out because of the inability to do the work? How much do you think your costs are inflated to pay for those that can’t or won’t do the work necessary to graduate?

In 1991 the estimate was around 42% of those public school graduates that entered higher education institutions never made it to graduation. Many of those given scholarships never even attended classes. Scholarships are based in many cases on income and not on ability or desire for an education. This leaves less money for those that want an education and can do the work.
In Arkansas, more than half of those who graduate high school and go on to college – that is, the best and brightest – must take remedial courses in college.

In other words, more than half of the best do not achieve a high school standard while in high school.
 
In Arkansas, more than half of those who graduate high school and go on to college – that is, the best and brightest – must take remedial courses in college.

In other words, more than half of the best do not achieve a high school standard while in high school.
The children/young adults that completed their homeschooling this year are going on to higher education. Just from our small group of about ten families with 80 children our graduates are going to Saint Vincent’s, Duquesne, Indiana and others. Each of the young people that applied were accepted at their first choice of school and were granted scholarships on their academic records.The schools that they applied to did not even require them to take placement tests.

WHY? Well we were told that the students that have been educated at home and go on to University finish their studies at the top of their class and go on to graduate schools with ease.👍 We have been told they are better socialized to interact with people of all ages from young to old. They tend to have better study habits and don’t "party hardy’.

If you asked most of us if we wanted our children in public schools we would say no way. But, most of us would like the option to send our children to CATHOLIC SCHOOLS where the faith and true CATHOLIC values were taught. But the schools of this type are closed and the new replacements are just expensive private schools as far as we are concerned.

But for now our youth are being taught CATHOLIC VALUES in the home along with receiving top educations in most cases. So till the catholic schools return to being CATHOLIC we will continue to do without the second income, big houses and other luxuries many people think are necessary and provide for our own children.

God Bless the parishes that still have true CATHOLIC schools and the parents that HOME SCHOOL their CATHOLIC youth.
 
God Bless the parishes that still have true CATHOLIC schools and the parents that HOME SCHOOL their CATHOLIC youth.
And may God inspire our bishops to support Catholic schools and expand them, so more children can have the advantage of a quality education.
 
Maybe the Catholic schools could be converted to “Catholic home schooling associations”. That would be the best of all worlds.
 
Maybe the Catholic schools could be converted to “Catholic home schooling associations”. That would be the best of all worlds.
That’s part of my vision – we should develop internet-delivered, computer-aided instruction. In our schools, teachers would be certified on the system (we would have courses for them) and there would be courses for parents who home school.

To get the lessons, the student would be enrolled (and, of course, we would then be able to issue diplomas and so on), and we could use enrollment data to connect one set of home schooling parents to another, so they could share the teaching and supervision load. As more and more parents in a given location started using the system, we could “grow” a Catholic school.
 
If you use any service, business, entertainment form and on and on you have benefited from the public or private educational systems. There would be no medical personal or other professionals that provide you with the necessities of life if they were not educated enough to go on to higher education. So live with it.😛

The cost of social services would go way up. The poor would get poorer and the rich would be the majority of those to achieve anything.

I am not defending the system. We don’t use it since we home school. But not everyone can afford to stay at home and not everyone is capable of teaching their children (I believe that most are but not all).

Social responsibility comes with a cost. Our costs might be toooo hight at this moment but nothing is free.
This is Libertarianism, and I know more than a few people who advocate for this style of govt.

Personally, I’m all for it as far as education goes. Those who do not use the system directly, should not have to pay for it, especially since there is NO guarantee that all will graduate with the skills needed to succeed. Young people have graduated high school without being able to read, yet when the parents try to hold the public schl system accountable, they lose.

Many are also advocating to Separate SCHOOL & State. Check out schoolandstate.org/home.htm
There is a list you can subscribe to as well, through Yahoo. Many relevant topics are discussed there.

Creative solutions exist. IMO, we need to get away from the typical govt. school model of grouping children by age and segregated by subject matter. People learn best when they are self-motivated. There are even schools which hold classes only when the students demand them.

Also see
aeroconference.com/

I know some peoples’ time is limited. I am interested, plus have some time to devote to this; perhaps I should run for our parochial schl board. Our small school has been struggling for a long time. Fortunately, there is another Catholic schl in our city.

I’ve heard it said that “when the school closes, the church will be next”. I don’t want that to happen here.

Mimi
 
As I have said many times, I am perfectly willing to pay for the education of someone eles’s children. What torques my jaws is when I pay for it, and they don’t get it.

In this Sunday’s edition of the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, there was an editorial bemoaning a proposal to reduce the number of school districts in the state from about 300 to about 75.

Now, the purpose of this proposal is to cut overhead and direct the savings to the classroom. But the letter writer was bemoaning the fact that the excess administrators and bureaucrats would be laid off.

And here I thought the purpose of the schools was to educate the children, not to employ bureaucrats.:rolleyes:
 
As I have said many times, I am perfectly willing to pay for the education of someone eles’s children. What torques my jaws is when I pay for it, and they don’t get it.

In this Sunday’s edition of the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, there was an editorial bemoaning a proposal to reduce the number of school districts in the state from about 300 to about 75.

Now, the purpose of this proposal is to cut overhead and direct the savings to the classroom. But the letter writer was bemoaning the fact that the excess administrators and bureaucrats would be laid off.

And here I thought the purpose of the schools was to educate the children, not to employ bureaucrats.:rolleyes:
In PA:
There are 501 school districts in the Commonwealth. Student enrollments ranges from 267 to 214,288. The number of schools operated in school districts ranges from one to 264.
 
Hello!
I just want to say that it is shame that Catholic Schools are closing in the US while in Nigeria it has just started opening, I just wanted to say that as catholic we should make what we believe in die away but we should make it worth while and we should not allow money to be the reason while the schools are closing in the US because it is not only in the US that catholic Schools are and it is not the only country that is been afftect financially.

What a shame in US.:🤷

Janee.
 
Our problem is we don’t value our Catholic schools. The schools are the parish’s problem, not the Church’s problem. And the Bishops neglect them.

Somehow we have wonderful Catholic hospitals – but can’t afford schools. The problem is the bishops value hospitals and not schools.
That’s partially right…hospitals are funded by the public, by insurance companies, and the need is more of a commodity, than anything. Often times, hospitals are part of a network within insurance companies, so this also makes access to them more feasible…not necessarily that the bishop or public deem it more valuable than say a Catholic school. But, that the need for hospitals seems to be more relevant, for lack of a better word, than perhaps people viewing Catholic schools.
 
Expounding on that, I did not attend a Catholic school, but my sister and husband did. I think what has changed, is that a lot of ‘lay’ people are applying for jobs as Catholic school teachers, and thus require a salary, while back in say even the 70’s…Catholic schools were largely run by priests and nuns, who were given a stipend to live on. I think that is what has driven the costs up, and I remember a neighbor back in PA who sent all three kids to Catholic school, lamenting one day about the costs, and how the teaching ‘quality’ had gone down over the years. Plus, they ‘competed’ with very strong public schools around the corner. It saddens me to see them closing, but at the same time, I see the problem as being not as high of a quality education, let alone Catholic education as it once was, while charging higher and higer tuition rates. Not sure what the solution to the problem is, but hiring more religious staff would be a good start.
 
Expounding on that, I did not attend a Catholic school, but my sister and husband did. I think what has changed, is that a lot of ‘lay’ people are applying for jobs as Catholic school teachers, and thus require a salary, while back in say even the 70’s…Catholic schools were largely run by priests and nuns, who were given a stipend to live on. I think that is what has driven the costs up, and I remember a neighbor back in PA who sent all three kids to Catholic school, lamenting one day about the costs, and how the teaching ‘quality’ had gone down over the years. Plus, they ‘competed’ with very strong public schools around the corner. It saddens me to see them closing, but at the same time, I see the problem as being not as high of a quality education, let alone Catholic education as it once was, while charging higher and higer tuition rates. Not sure what the solution to the problem is, but hiring more religious staff would be a good start.
While it is true that costs have risen, I believe it is a matter of will. People in the pews just don’t desire or have the will to fund the schools. The tuition model for K-8 is destined for failure.

Parents have to do a better job demanding that Catholic schools show children how to get to heaven and how to defend Catholicism in the secular world.
 
Expounding on that, I did not attend a Catholic school, but my sister and husband did. I think what has changed, is that a lot of ‘lay’ people are applying for jobs as Catholic school teachers, and thus require a salary, while back in say even the 70’s…Catholic schools were largely run by priests and nuns, who were given a stipend to live on. I think that is what has driven the costs up, and I remember a neighbor back in PA who sent all three kids to Catholic school, lamenting one day about the costs, and how the teaching ‘quality’ had gone down over the years. Plus, they ‘competed’ with very strong public schools around the corner. It saddens me to see them closing, but at the same time, I see the problem as being not as high of a quality education, let alone Catholic education as it once was, while charging higher and higer tuition rates. Not sure what the solution to the problem is, but hiring more religious staff would be a good start.
Certainly having lay teachers is part of it. But I don’t think that’s all of it. So many Catholic schools try to follow the public school pattern, with the result that they try to buy a lot of frills instead of trying to teach basics. Also, bureaucracies tend to grow in Catholic schools just as they do in public schools. Our parish school is now in financial trouble, and the ever-increasing non-teacher costs are the cause. But no one seems to see it. Try to tell anyone that, and they just can’t imagine having a school without all sorts of administrators and computerized “learning programs”, because that’s what the public schools have.
 
Certainly having lay teachers is part of it. But I don’t think that’s all of it. So many Catholic schools try to follow the public school pattern, with the result that they try to buy a lot of frills instead of trying to teach basics. Also, bureaucracies tend to grow in Catholic schools just as they do in public schools. Our parish school is now in financial trouble, and the ever-increasing non-teacher costs are the cause. But no one seems to see it. Try to tell anyone that, and they just can’t imagine having a school without all sorts of administrators and computerized “learning programs”, because that’s what the public schools have.
Parents also get sucked in by the technology, physical plant and swimming pool phenonemon.
 
While it is true that costs have risen, I believe it is a matter of will. People in the pews just don’t desire or have the will to fund the schools. The tuition model for K-8 is destined for failure.

Parents have to do a better job demanding that Catholic schools show children how to get to heaven and how to defend Catholicism in the secular world.
My kids have always attended public schools, and I ‘homeschool’ them on the RCC, and so does my husband. I believe that teaching children begins in the home, regarding the faith. While the school can be seen as a valued supplement, I don’t feel that it’s the school’s job to help my children get to heaven–it’s my husband’s and mine. I have always given to the schools wherever we have lived, as part of our tithe, but the tuition rates for highschools here in Florida, where I live, are like around $12-16k per child…that’s a bit much. Just my thoughts, but I don’t fully agree that sending one’s child to Catholic school, makes that child grow up to be a ‘better Catholic.’ I didn’t attend, and I’m quite devout, now, in my 30’s–and so are quite a few of my friends who never attended. On the other hand, there are quite a few I know who attended Catholic school, and left the faith–so I don’t believe it will guarantee a child to grow up being devout. I am living proof that one doesn’t need a Catholic school formal education to live a devout life.:o
 
Certainly having lay teachers is part of it. But I don’t think that’s all of it. So many Catholic schools try to follow the public school pattern, with the result that they try to buy a lot of frills instead of trying to teach basics. Also, bureaucracies tend to grow in Catholic schools just as they do in public schools. Our parish school is now in financial trouble, and the ever-increasing non-teacher costs are the cause. But no one seems to see it. Try to tell anyone that, and they just can’t imagine having a school without all sorts of administrators and computerized “learning programs”, because that’s what the public schools have.
That’s a very interesting perspective on it, too.
 
That’s partially right…hospitals are funded by the public, by insurance companies, and the need is more of a commodity, than anything. Often times, hospitals are part of a network within insurance companies, so this also makes access to them more feasible…not necessarily that the bishop or public deem it more valuable than say a Catholic school. But, that the need for hospitals seems to be more relevant, for lack of a better word, than perhaps people viewing Catholic schools.
When discussing Catholic schools, I always remember the Letter to Arsacius. The author, Julian the Apostate, was a Roman emperor ca 350 AD, who tried to convert the entire empire to a sort of reformed paganism.

The letter opens:
The religion of the Greeks does not yet prosper as I would wish, on account of those who profess it.
And goes on to explain why:
For it is disgraceful when no Jew is a beggar and the impious Galileans [the name given by Julian to Christians] support our poor in addition to their own
And now the religion of the impious Galileans does not prosper, because we have abandoned our greatest social justice program – our Catholic schools, and have come to regard Catholic schools merely as schools for Catholics, when millions of children in inner cities are trapped in schools that are no better than jails.
 
When discussing Catholic schools, I always remember the Letter to Arsacius. The author, Julian the Apostate, was a Roman emperor ca 350 AD, who tried to convert the entire empire to a sort of reformed paganism.

The letter opens:

And goes on to explain why:

And now the religion of the impious Galileans does not prosper, because we have abandoned our greatest social justice program – our Catholic schools, and have come to regard Catholic schools merely as schools for Catholics, when millions of children in inner cities are trapped in schools that are no better than jails.
I’m not following how opening up Catholic schools to everyone, would resolve the crisis of them closing? Maybe I’m totally lost on what your point was here vern…please help me to understand a bit better. I agree with your sentiment, but I don’t know how you’d implement something like you suggest.
 
I’m not following how opening up Catholic schools to everyone, would resolve the crisis of them closing? Maybe I’m totally lost on what your point was here vern…please help me to understand a bit better. I agree with your sentiment, but I don’t know how you’d implement something like you suggest.
First of all, let our bishops accept responsibility for the Catholic School System.
  1. Let them take responsibility, and call on all their resources. There is no reason that my church (which is too small to support a Catholic school) should not be called upon to assist in the support of Catholic schools elsewhere.
  2. Let them lead – explain to Catholics what our responsibilities are. If the Bishops ask, we will respond.
  3. Let them manage – show us the results of our charity and efforts. When we see we are making a difference, we will increase our efforts.
Let’s innovate – we can develop internet-delivered, computer aided courses, and pipe them into all Catholic schools.

We can enroll individual families, as well, so they can home school. We can put one homeschooler together with another, to “grow” Catholic schools.

We can create new Catholic orders – perhaps welcoming married couples, for a limited committment. Let people donate a year or two to working in Catholic schools.
 
First of all, let our bishops accept responsibility for the Catholic School System.
  1. Let them take responsibility, and call on all their resources. There is no reason that my church (which is too small to support a Catholic school) should not be called upon to assist in the support of Catholic schools elsewhere.
  2. Let them lead – explain to Catholics what our responsibilities are. If the Bishops ask, we will respond.
  3. Let them manage – show us the results of our charity and efforts. When we see we are making a difference, we will increase our efforts.
Let’s innovate – we can develop internet-delivered, computer aided courses, and pipe them into all Catholic schools.

We can enroll individual families, as well, so they can home school. We can put one homeschooler together with another, to “grow” Catholic schools.

We can create new Catholic orders – perhaps welcoming married couples, for a limited committment. Let people donate a year or two to working in Catholic schools.
Nicely done vern! I applaud these ideas. I am wondering why no one has thought of these???😊 It makes such perfect sense, it’s scary.
 
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