More Da Vinci Dishonesty - Ron Howard snuck a camera into the Vatican: Report

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Reportedly, Ron Howard admits to sneaking in a camera into the Vatican for footage for Angels and Demons.

This is the kind of rubbish people do? This is the legacy they want to leave behind? It’s one thing to make movies; it’s another thing to do it dishonestly.

At least this is a good representation of Dan Brown: Brown was dishonest and so was the making of this stupid movie.

The Vatican isn’t public property; it’s not like shooting the White House from the outside. People like him do it and they get away with it because the Vatican has more important things to do than to get on their cases. And, of course, if ithe Vatican does defend itself, the media will crucify it and make it look like it’s hiding something. So, abuse, abuse, abuse…
 
JesuXPIPassio said:
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Reportedly, Ron Howard admits to sneaking in a camera into the Vatican for footage for Angels and Demons.

This is the kind of rubbish people do? This is the legacy they want to leave behind? It’s one thing to make movies; it’s another thing to do it dishonestly.

At least this is a good representation of Dan Brown: Brown was dishonest and so was the making of this stupid movie.

The Vatican isn’t public property; it’s not like shooting the White House from the outside. People like him do it and they get away with it because the Vatican has more important things to do than to get on their cases. And, of course, if ithe Vatican does defend itself, the media will crucify it and make it look like it’s hiding something. So, abuse, abuse, abuse…
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Boycott this movie and everything else that this production company does in the future. It is only money that these people understand.
 
How sad. I used to like Ron Howard. I saw a commercial during the campaign that he and Andy Griffith did supporting Barack Obama (as Opie and Andy Taylor) and that did nothing to bring back positives for me. Neither does this. Unfortunate.
 
JesuXPIPassio said:
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Reportedly, Ron Howard admits to sneaking in a camera into the Vatican for footage for Angels and Demons.

This is the kind of rubbish people do? This is the legacy they want to leave behind? It’s one thing to make movies; it’s another thing to do it dishonestly.

At least this is a good representation of Dan Brown: Brown was dishonest and so was the making of this stupid movie.

The Vatican isn’t public property; it’s not like shooting the White House from the outside. People like him do it and they get away with it because the Vatican has more important things to do than to get on their cases. And, of course, if ithe Vatican does defend itself, the media will crucify it and make it look like it’s hiding something. So, abuse, abuse, abuse…
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He’s a dishonest little jerk who obviously has no shame or scruples.
 
Pray for him and Dan Brown and Tom Hanks and all of the other sad, misguided leaders of “Hope and Change”.

Dan Brown’s lies did a great deal of good as they helped me return to the Church. Because of their lies, I had to search out the real Truth of Jesus Christ our Savior.

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus.

Mark
 
I hope someone sneaks a camera into Ron Howard’s house and videotapes his life.

They can do as he does, taking things out of context and highlighting all of his human failings and exposing them to the world.

This continued persecution of Jesus’ Church will only serve the will of God and make His chosen ones stronger for the battle to come.

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus.

Mark
 
I feel so outraged by this. Is there anything we can do? I feel uneasy about taking this lying down. It seems like the laity is at the best position to do something about this because, like I wrote, if the Vatican responded it would most certainly be portrayed negatively by the media.

Maybe a letter writing campaign that could force them to make an apology? How does one start one of those?
 
As long as many catholics are secular catholics that go to see the movies he makes I don’t see that there is anything more we can do. We can personally boycott and personally pray for those that attack Holy Mother Church.
 
I wonder if Howard uses any of that “stolen” footage in his film, can the Vatican sue?
 
What these people fail to understand is, the Catholic Church isn’t just the Vatican, the Bishops or the priests. The Catholic Church includes all of us, who make up the Body of Christ.

When they attack any part of that Body, they do harm to the whole.

They tend to differentiate for themselves, the institutional Church from that of the people, but fail to realize that we are the Church.

Jim
 
Mark77 said:
I hope someone sneaks a camera into Ron Howard’s house and videotapes his life.

They can do as he does, taking things out of context and highlighting all of his human failings and exposing them to the world.
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I love this idea! Ah, but is it sinful to contemplate such a thing? 😃
JimR-OCDS said:
What these people fail to understand is, the Catholic Church isn’t just the Vatican, the Bishops or the priests. The Catholic Church includes all of us, who make up the Body of Christ.
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Unfortunately, I think many of the “us” do not realize this.

I read the book (got it at the thrift store) and didn’t think it was any better than The Da Vinci Code. But, really lame books can be made into entertaining movies and much that would be questioned in reading can be glossed over with eye-popping visuals. :bigyikes:
 
There’s a thread about the book/movie Angels and Demons in one of the other forums. According to someone who has read the book, he/she says it is not anti-Catholic and does not have the perceived anti-Catholicism of Da Vinci Code.

I myself have not read the book, though I have read the Da Vinci Code which wasn’t quite my cup of tea and also Digital Fortress and Deception Point. The latter two books by Dan Brown are both excellent and are not anti-Catholic at all. They barely if at all even mention religion. They are more espionage/military thrillers than anything else.

Caution: in that thread that person posts a spoiler.

As for Ron Howard. I’d like some facts please. Was he told to not bring a camera to the Vatican? If so, was this footage filmed prior to that or after that? Was he told that by anyone in legal authority in the Vatican? Legally does the Lateran Treaty allow for such legal action by the Vatican? (the sovereignty of the Vatican is constrained by that treaty; the Vatican for example is limited in the number of Vatican passports it is allowed to grant)
 
jfhh said:
There’s a thread about the book/movie Angels and Demons in one of the other forums. According to someone who has read the book, he/she says it is not anti-Catholic and does not have the perceived anti-Catholicism of Da Vinci Code.

I myself have not read the book, though I have read the Da Vinci Code which wasn’t quite my cup of tea and also Digital Fortress and Deception Point. The latter two books by Dan Brown are both excellent and are not anti-Catholic at all. They barely if at all even mention religion. They are more espionage/military thrillers than anything else.

Caution: in that thread that person posts a spoiler.

As for Ron Howard. I’d like some facts please. Was he told to not bring a camera to the Vatican? If so, was this footage filmed prior to that or after that? Was he told that by anyone in legal authority in the Vatican? Legally does the Lateran Treaty allow for such legal action by the Vatican? (the sovereignty of the Vatican is constrained by that treaty; the Vatican for example is limited in the number of Vatican passports it is allowed to grant)
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To that poster, I would add that we would appreciate some straight and honest thinking and line of discussion, please. Why ask a question “was he told not to bring a camera into the Vatican?” It’s a red herring. The astute thinker with an honest look at the truth would not ask such a thing in light of Howard’s statement that he “snuck a camera into the Vatican.”
 
None of it will matter and Howard knows that. He can spit at the Vatican and at all faithful Catholics because he knows full well the vast majroity of people claiming to be Catholic will line up like sheeple to see the movie, not caring one bit if Howard “stole” some of the footage. It just won’t matter to them and even if we tried to boycott, that will do no good because the people who would join the boycott are also those who won’t see the movie anyway.

The movie will make a profit, and if we scream about it, the profits will just rise. I think we Catholics need to start coming to grips with the reality that we are living in a nation mainly populated by pagans…this nation is a mission field. Howard’s work would never have gotten funding 40 years ago.

We have lost the culture, we need to start working to gain it back. Movie’s like this and actions like Howard’s are a sign of how far gone the culture is and Howard’s work is merely a reflection of the the de-Christianization of this nation. Our movies and our leaders reflect us as a whole. We get movies we ask for in large numbers, we get leaders we ask for as well…no suprises. Yet, kind hearted faithful Catholics need to start grasping the idea that we are no longer a Christian people…we something like 90% pagan–imo. Just look at the horrible example of runaway consumerism in Long Island, where a store clerk was killed when a couple thousand people rush through the entrance doors of a Walmart…that clerk (a real person) died because citizens in this nation were in a panic to get their “stuff.” Here is a disturbing quote from that sad event:

Kimberly Cribbs, who witnessed the stampede, said shoppers were acting like “savages.” “When they were saying they had to leave, that an employee got killed, people were yelling ‘I’ve been [in] line since yesterday morning,’” she said. “They kept shopping.”

apnews.myway.com/article/20081129/D94OJ4NG0.html

We need to work with the Church to start spreading the real faith, person-by-person. That is the only way, imo, to take back the culture from the clutches of death and paganism.
 
JesuXPIPassio said:
contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/howard%20shot%20secret%20scenes%20in%20vatican%20-%20despite%20ban_1087680

Reportedly, Ron Howard admits to sneaking in a camera into the Vatican for footage for Angels and Demons.

This is the kind of rubbish people do? This is the legacy they want to leave behind? It’s one thing to make movies; it’s another thing to do it dishonestly.

At least this is a good representation of Dan Brown: Brown was dishonest and so was the making of this stupid movie.

The Vatican isn’t public property; it’s not like shooting the White House from the outside. People like him do it and they get away with it because the Vatican has more important things to do than to get on their cases. And, of course, if ithe Vatican does defend itself, the media will crucify it and make it look like it’s hiding something. So, abuse, abuse, abuse…
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So when do the Jesuits come to assassin him? 😃
 
jfhh said:
As for Ron Howard. I’d like some facts please. Was he told to not bring a camera to the Vatican? If so, was this footage filmed prior to that or after that? Was he told that by anyone in legal authority in the Vatican? Legally does the Lateran Treaty allow for such legal action by the Vatican? (the sovereignty of the Vatican is constrained by that treaty; the Vatican for example is limited in the number of Vatican passports it is allowed to grant)
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Yes, he was barred from filming in any church in Rome, not just the Vatican. They had to apply for permits to film and the Vatican refused them.

timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4147839.ece

variety.com/article/VR1117987529.html?categoryid=1236&cs=1

huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/16/tom-hanks-barred-the-vati_n_107349.html
 
i always thought ron howard had a good image. it surprises me that if he was told he did not have permission to film in the vatican
he decided to sneak in a camera. very disappointing.

i read angels and demons before i was catholic and i can’t even remember what it was about.

i don’t know how much money he made off of the da vinci code, but perhaps he is hoping to make another windfall with this movie.
i guess people will do anything for money which is sad, but speaks of today’s culture.
 
Linda_Marie said:
Yes, he was barred from filming in any church in Rome, not just the Vatican. They had to apply for permits to film and the Vatican refused them.

timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4147839.ece

variety.com/article/VR1117987529.html?categoryid=1236&cs=1

huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/16/tom-hanks-barred-the-vati_n_107349.html
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The grounds of the Vatican City State is NOT a church. There are churches IN the Vatican; the Vatican itself is not a church. So I assume he “snuck” – according to some media report – a camera into NOT JUST the Vatican but a CHURCH within the Vatican? Confirmed? If so, that still leaves one remaining question: Did he do this BEFORE or AFTER he was denied permission to film in any church in the diocese of Rome?

If he filmed just in St. Peter’s square and not the actual nave of the basillica, it’s not clear to me that he violated anything. Besides the directive of the Holy See was to each of the churches in the Diocese of Rome. It was their responsibility. To say that Ron Howard violated some law is ludicrous. Surely, yes (assuming this occurred AFTER he was informed) he violated people’s WISHES. But that’s not the law.
 
jfhh said:
The grounds of the Vatican City State is NOT a church. There are churches IN the Vatican; the Vatican itself is not a church. So I assume he “snuck” – according to some media report – a camera into NOT JUST the Vatican but a CHURCH within the Vatican? Confirmed? If so, that still leaves one remaining question: Did he do this BEFORE or AFTER he was denied permission to film in any church in the diocese of Rome?

If he filmed just in St. Peter’s square and not the actual nave of the basillica, it’s not clear to me that he violated anything. Besides the directive of the Holy See was to each of the churches in the Diocese of Rome. It was their responsibility. To say that Ron Howard violated some law is ludicrous. Surely, yes (assuming this occurred AFTER he was informed) he violated people’s WISHES. But that’s not the law.
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So, a directive from the Vatican is now simply a “wish?”

It is fairly clear he “snuck” the cameras in after the ban, read the statements.

I do wonder, if he did (in fact) sneak small cameras in after the ban, could the Vatican sue the film production company if any of that illicitly obtained film is included in the theatrical release…? The Vatican, imo, would not sue, nor will they say anymore on the subject because they do not want bad PR, nor do they want to give the film attention…I just wonder if they could sue if they desired.
 
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