More Evidence Emerges Elizabeth Warren Lied About Being Fired for Pregnancy

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dvdjs said:
But they should not confuse their opinions with compelling arguments based on sound logic and objective facts.
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Exactly, why let objective facts confuse one’s opinion.
dvdjs said:
Are you talking about me or this oill-defined ™left?
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My comment states exactly what I said and who it refers to. The bolded part however is a bit less clear.
dvdjs said:
Your knowledge comes up short.
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dvdjs said:
Think of the people leaving the Trump administration.
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I believe I was spot on with my knowledge of having to use the “Trump …” argument to defend one’s position.
 
Horton said:
Exactly, why let objective facts confuse one’s opinion.
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Not good words to live by.
Horton said:
I believe I was spot on with my knowledge of having to use the “Trump …” argument to defend one’s position.
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Not even close.

My point had nothing at all to do with your assertion that I would make an ad hominem about your support of Trump. It is not even a criticism of Trump. Just reminder that gracious words offered when someone departs their position does not mean that they were not fired.
 
dvdjs said:
The evidence provided that ostensibly shows that Warren lied, simply does not do that.
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Was she fired?
She claims so. But the evidence is clear that she was not fired.

Seems pretty apparent that she has lied.
 
A response to your post is not worth the effort to write it. I will mute you now.
 
vz71 said:
The county records showing her resignation.
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Why do consider that clear evidence that she was not fired?
It is not the least bit uncommon for people who are terminated to be given the courtesy of being allowed to resign.
 
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dvdjs said:
Why do consider that clear evidence that she was not fired?
It is not the least bit uncommon for people who are terminated to be given the courtesy of being allowed to resign.
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That makes it a resignation.
She was not fired.
 
vz71 said:
That makes it a resignation.
She was not fired.
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Lincoln is said to have once asked: if you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?
He answered: Four. Calling a tail a leg does not make it a leg.

Here is some good reporting from CBS:
Two retired teachers who worked at Riverdale Elementary for over 30 years, including the year Warren was there, told CBS News that they don’t remember anyone being explicitly fired due to pregnancy during their time at the school. But Trudy Randall and Sharon Ercalano each said that a non-tenured, pregnant employee like Warren would have had little job security at Riverdale in 1971, seven years before the Pregnancy Discrimination Act was passed.

“The rule was at five months you had to leave when you were pregnant. Now, if you didn’t tell anybody you were pregnant, and they didn’t know, you could fudge it and try to stay on a little bit longer,” Randall said. “But they kind of wanted you out if you were pregnant.”
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www.cbsnews.com

Elizabeth Warren stands by account of being pushed out of her first teaching job because of pregnancy

In an exclusive interview, the presidential candidate responds to questions raised about the veracity of her story about why she left her first teaching job
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
 
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dvdjs said:
Lincoln is said to have once asked: if you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?
He answered: Four. Calling a tail a leg does not make it a leg.
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I am glad we can both agree.
Resignation is not fired.
Calling it so does not make it so.
 
vz71 said:
I am glad we can both agree.
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I am not sure that we do.
It appears that the policy did not allow the continuation of visibly pregnant teachers.
That is the point of the discussion.

I assume that we are all in agreement that a forced resignation in compliance with policy against pregnant teachers was a bad thing and are glad to be rid of it. I think that it is tendentious. and terribly uncharitable to suggest that it is a “lie” to call that a firing. And if “resignation” suggests that Warren freely chose this option, then that word choice is inappropriate.
 
vz71 said:
Do you suggest saying something that is not true is anything but a lie?
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Of course.

But first: there should be a differentiation between “untrue” and “inaccurate”.
It may argued that “had to resign” is more accurate “was fired” or “resigned”, but I don’t think that any of the words should be considered in this case “untrue”.

Second. People sometimes say things that are untrue because they honestly mistaken about the facts. Such statements are not lies. Lying involves voluntarily making a statement, as though true, that one knows to be false.
 
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What? A politician who lied?

I’m, I’m, I’m … just simply flabbergasted.
 
dvdjs said:
It may argued that “had to resign” is more accurate “fired” or “resigned”, but I don’t think that any of the words should be considered in this case “untrue”
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Politicians work with words daily.
They know well how to be accurate as well as how to obfuscate.

She said fired.
She could have said anything else, and may easily have said something that no one could verify one way or the other. And with obfuscation, she could have gotten a pass on this issue.
But she didn’t. She said fired.
 
vz71 said:
She said fired.
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Hmmm…


Notice that FOX says " fired". she is quoted as saying:
“When I was 22 and finishing my first year of teaching, I had an experience millions of women will recognize. By June I was visibly pregnant — and the principal told me the job I’d already been promised for the next year would go to someone else,” she tweeted.

“This was 1971, years before Congress outlawed pregnancy discrimination — but we know it still happens in subtle and not-so-subtle ways. We can fight back by telling our stories. I tell mine on the campaign trail, and I hope to hear yours.”
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“When someone calls you in and says the job that you’ve been hired for for the next year is no longer yours, ‘we’re giving it to someone else,’ I think that’s being shown the door,” she said.
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USA Today

www.usatoday.com

Elizabeth Warren defends story that she was fired for being pregnant after more details surface

2020 Democratic candidate Elizabeth Warren is now asking supporters to share their own stories of pregnancy discrimination.
www.usatoday.com
Warren’s story goes like this: In 1971, she was offered an extra year to her contract after completing her first year as a teacher, before the school knew that she was pregnant. But after a couple months, once her pregnancy became obvious, “The principal did what principals did in those days—wished me luck and hired someone else for the job.”
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LifeSite in the OP uses the word “fired” but quotes Warren this way:
And the principal did what principals did in those days: they wished you luck, showed you the door, and hired someone else for the job. And there went my dream.*
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CBS, linked by me above, also:
“All I know is I was 22 years old, I was 6 months pregnant, and the job that I had been promised for the next year was going to someone else. The principal said they were going to hire someone else for my job,” she said.

Warren has repeatedly said that her principal “showed [her] the door” after discovering she was pregnant at the end of the 1971 school year.
… she has repeatedly said that she was “shown the door” after just a year as a result of her pregnancy. … “By the end of the first year I was visibly pregnant, and the principal did what principals did in those days: wished me luck, showed me the door, and hired someone else for the job,” she said at a town hall in Oakland in June.

The “showed me the door” anecdote came up often on the campaign trail …
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In the CBS interview she accepts “fired” when asked by the interviewer. And conteds that it is not inappropriate. It isn’t.

You seem to be missing the point:

The claim that she has made and the story that is told, does not hinge on some contentious spin in the the word fire. It is that she could not continue in a job that was renewed for her in April because of her visible pregnancy. CBS found teachers of that era at that school who confirmed the practice.

The more I look into this story, the more FAKE it gets.
 
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