More in gay community now than ever? Why?

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Ashley42 said:
“We feel that is is harmful to the children.”
Can you elaborate on this? What exactly would be “harmful”? Are you worried that your step-daughter might harm or abuse the children?
This is one of the most widespread misconceptions about homosexuality - but the myth has been cleared up many times over! There is simply no evidence to suggest that homosexuals are abusive people.They are simply people who have fallen in love with a person of the same sex, nothing more, nothing less. The children probably know that homosexuality is just a normal part of a persons life, and simply part of who they are. As long as this is the case, there should be no problem.
You may not agree with their choice of partner, it may not be somebody you would choose, but you need to accept that people are free to make their own choices and they should not be told who they can and cannot love. Try to put yourself in her situation, and wonder what it would be like being told that it is wrong for you to be intimate or get married to the person you love.
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A 14 year old boy who cries and tries to tell his grandparents (us) about his moms friends is truly harmed by her disgusting behavior. She does not have the right to bring in a lesbian partner if her son is disgusted and put off by it. He still loves his deceased dad. There are those born to gay/lesbian, no doubt. My heart goes out to them Not an easy life. There are those like daugher who make that choce for a variety of reasons, one being to “shock the family”. She is attracted to both male and female. She has made the choice. I cannot imagine sex with a female. She needs to put herself in our shoes, We have supported her financially, gone to her court hearings, bought her groceries, clothed her son, saw her through the death of her husband. Now this immoral behavior???Don’t think so. IF she did not have a son, had never married, we would not “like” her choice of lifestyle,possibly accept her decision, though not agree with it, but her actions are affecting her son. We are not saying that we don’t like her partner. We only met her once and cannot make a decision based on that meeting.

Love and peace,
Mom of
 
Mom_of_5 said:
My sister and I are wondering why there are so many gay folk in our midst today.
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It’s a signpost for when society has become corrupt and on it’s way down the crapper. Just read your Bible and the history books, and the pattern becomes all too apparent. There are other signposts as well (i.e. rampant and accepted adultery).
 
She does not have the right to bring in a lesbian partner if her son is disgusted and put off by it.
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I’m sorry but that’s just nonsence. Her son should not dictate her choice of partner. If he is disgusted and put off by it then he needs to lean acceptance of others, and it sounds like you do too. I was disgusted and put off by my mum’s new husband when she re-married 12 years ago, but it was her choice - something I had to accept.
There are those like daugher who make that choce for a variety of reasons, one being to “shock the family”
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I find it highly unlikely that a person would fabricate a relationship in order to shock their family. Still, if this is the case then the best thing to do would be to not be shocked - show your love and acceptance and then if the relationship IS fabricated, her plan would fail and she would soon get bored.
I cannot imagine sex with a female. She needs to put herself in our shoes,
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You need to put yourself in her shoes my love! Could you imagine having your family telling you who you can or cannot fall in love with, just because they cannot imagine it or feel disgusted by it? I am disgusted by heterosexual relationships - men’s private parts really turn me off! But I NEVER meddle in anyone elses relationships because of that. She is an adult and is therefore free to make choices. You need to accept that.
but her actions are affecting her son
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Have you not taken a step back to think, perhaps it is not her actions that are having a negative effect on her son, perhaps it is yours? Or people like you? People who show complete unfounded disregard towards people simply because they do not agree with their choice of lover.

You have not made it clear what the damage to the child is - simply that he seems somewhat disturbed by the fact that his mother is now seeing another lady. To put his mind at ease, having them seperate is not the answer. Arguing about it or meddleing in their affairs is not the answer. The child needs to be educated that sometimes, some people fall in love with someone of the same sex. That there is nothing wrong with this, that it may not be a choice he would make, but nevertheless one he must accept.
It’s a signpost for when society has become corrupt and on it’s way down the crapper.
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Our society is simply progressing futher and furhter to one where all people are treated equal, regardless of arbitary traits such as race, gender and sexual orientation. There was most likely just as many homosexuals in the 50s, but due to the (thankfully now redundant) laws regarding sexuality, it was not something one would want to be public about. Now we are more free to be honest about who we are, without fear of imrisonment or worse, you see a lot more of us!
 
Mom_of_5 said:
A 14 year old boy who cries and tries to tell his grandparents (us) about his moms friends is truly harmed by her disgusting behavior. She does not have the right to bring in a lesbian partner if her son is disgusted and put off by it. He still loves his deceased dad. There are those born to gay/lesbian, no doubt. My heart goes out to them Not an easy life. There are those like daugher who make that choce for a variety of reasons, one being to “shock the family”. She is attracted to both male and female. She has made the choice. I cannot imagine sex with a female. She needs to put herself in our shoes, We have supported her financially, gone to her court hearings, bought her groceries, clothed her son, saw her through the death of her husband. Now this immoral behavior???Don’t think so. IF she did not have a son, had never married, we would not “like” her choice of lifestyle,possibly accept her decision, though not agree with it, but her actions are affecting her son. We are not saying that we don’t like her partner. We only met her once and cannot make a decision based on that meeting.

Love and peace,
Mom of
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You are quite correct here MOM of 5, Do not accept what Ashley writes in both of her replies to you. SHe is the one who spouts nonsense not you! A well formed concious helps us to discern what is moral and what is not!

Peace!👍
 
You are quite correct here MOM of 5, Do not accept what Ashley writes in both of her replies to you. SHe is the one who spouts nonsense not you! A well formed concious helps us to discern what is moral and what is not!
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Thank you for demonising me. And what nonsese have I spouted? That we should be teaching acceptance of one another and not hatred?

Oh sorry, that’s what the Catholic church is all about isn’t it… hatred towards homos. And peadophillia. But shhh, let’s keep that quiet!
 
prodigal-sun said:
You are quite correct here MOM of 5, Do not accept what Ashley writes in both of her replies to you. SHe is the one who spouts nonsense not you! A well formed concious helps us to discern what is moral and what is not!

Peace!👍
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Thank you!!

Ashley has not gotten my message. We love our daughter, have done far more for her than any of our ten children. We never have talked badly to her son about his mom. He endured years of her drug habits, etc. We suppied his food and clothing and told him his mom loves him.We do not hate anyone! Ashley you sound like someone who has lived a sad life. I plan to continue to have God in mine!!

Love and peace,
Mom of 5
 
I’ve not had a sad life, quite the contrary thank you very much! Although I am a bit irked when people bash gays through fear without knowing (and even wanting to know) the slightest thing about it.

You say your daughter has (or had) a drug problem. Quite frankly I find it astounding that you came on here with the intent on discussing her sexuality instead of seeking help about the drugs. I’d like to know, which do you think is worse?

Let’s look at some of the things you have said:
It is difficult for me and my husband to accept my step-daughters decision to play the “male” part of her relationship with another women. Both have been married, both have young children. We feel that is is harmful to the children.
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Or—just let her think is o.k. for her to live this new lifestyle.
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A 14 year old boy who cries and tries to tell his grandparents (us) about his moms friends is truly harmed by her disgusting behavior. She does not have the right to bring in a lesbian partner if her son is disgusted and put off by it.
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Now this immoral behavior???Don’t think so.
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You have said that her choice in partner is “harmful to the children” but failed to state why. When I asked you you spoke about her drug habit.
The second quote suggests you think it is not OK to have a same-sex partner.
In the third you call it “disgusting behavior”. I’ll give you the benifit of the doubt here - what are you reffering to, her drug problems or her homosexuality? You also say she does not have the right to be with the partner she would like to be with simply because you and her son don’t like the idea.
In the last, you call homosexuality “immoral” (or are you talking about the drugs again?)

Homosexuality by itself does not harm anyone, it is not “immoral” outside of the teachings of the Church (who have got it wrong through a whole slew of mistranslations, but that’s a different story.) The difficulties arise when other people do not understand or accept homosexuality, like what is happening here. Your daughters choice in partner is not the problem - the problems are being created by your family’s lack of acceptance for her choice.
I’ve been living with my lesbian partner for some time now and our families are both totally accepting of us. They are all straigt, and would not choose this lifestyle themselves, but the key fact is they have enough respect for us to be able to let us live a life WE choose, not one they choose for us. We don’t have any kids, but the kids in the other parts of the family have been bought up to properly understand homosexuality and thus they don’t have a problem with us visiting. There are lots oflesbians who do have children, many of which are very proud of their moms.

I would like to know weather it’s the drug problem you have been referring to in the above quotes. If so, fair enough but leave the homosexuality out of it. If it’s the homosexuality then you need to come up with some pretty good reasons why it’s “disgusting”, “immoral” and “harmful”.
she has a 14 year old son who is highly embarrassed by his mom.
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(What 14 year old boys AREN’T embarrased by their moms?!)
 
Ashley42 said:
I’ve not had a sad life, quite the contrary thank you very much! Although I am a bit irked when people bash gays through fear without knowing (and even wanting to know) the slightest thing about it.

You say your daughter has (or had) a drug problem. Quite frankly I find it astounding that you came on here with the intent on discussing her sexuality instead of seeking help about the drugs. I’d like to know, which do you think is worse?

Let’s look at some of the things you have said:

You have said that her choice in partner is “harmful to the children” but failed to state why. When I asked you you spoke about her drug habit.
The second quote suggests you think it is not OK to have a same-sex partner.
In the third you call it “disgusting behavior”. I’ll give you the benifit of the doubt here - what are you reffering to, her drug problems or her homosexuality? You also say she does not have the right to be with the partner she would like to be with simply because you and her son don’t like the idea.
In the last, you call homosexuality “immoral” (or are you talking about the drugs again?)

Homosexuality by itself does not harm anyone, it is not “immoral” outside of the teachings of the Church (who have got it wrong through a whole slew of mistranslations, but that’s a different story.) The difficulties arise when other people do not understand or accept homosexuality, like what is happening here. Your daughters choice in partner is not the problem - the problems are being created by your family’s lack of acceptance for her choice.
I’ve been living with my lesbian partner for some time now and our families are both totally accepting of us. They are all straigt, and would not choose this lifestyle themselves, but the key fact is they have enough respect for us to be able to let us live a life WE choose, not one they choose for us. We don’t have any kids, but the kids in the other parts of the family have been bought up to properly understand homosexuality and thus they don’t have a problem with us visiting. There are lots oflesbians who do have children, many of which are very proud of their moms.

I would like to know weather it’s the drug problem you have been referring to in the above quotes. If so, fair enough but leave the homosexuality out of it. If it’s the homosexuality then you need to come up with some pretty good reasons why it’s “disgusting”, “immoral” and “harmful”.

(What 14 year old boys AREN’T embarrased by their moms?!)
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Ashley, this is not even worth answering. God bless you, I will keep you in my prayers.

Mom of 5
 
Mom_of_5 said:
Ashley, this is not even worth answering. God bless you, I will keep you in my prayers.

Mom of 5
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Yes, we must all pray for those lost in their sin and that the Holy Spirit will soften their hearts to Love of God above themselves…God Bless you and all of your children!

Peace!👍
 
Ashley42 said:
I’m sorry but that’s just nonsence. Her son should not dictate her choice of partner. If he is disgusted and put off by it then he needs to lean acceptance of others, and it sounds like you do too. I was disgusted and put off by my mum’s new husband when she re-married 12 years ago, but it was her choice - something I had to accept.

I find it highly unlikely that a person would fabricate a relationship in order to shock their family. Still, if this is the case then the best thing to do would be to not be shocked - show your love and acceptance and then if the relationship IS fabricated, her plan would fail and she would soon get bored.

You need to put yourself in her shoes my love! Could you imagine having your family telling you who you can or cannot fall in love with, just because they cannot imagine it or feel disgusted by it? I am disgusted by heterosexual relationships - men’s private parts really turn me off! But I NEVER meddle in anyone elses relationships because of that. She is an adult and is therefore free to make choices. You need to accept that.

Have you not taken a step back to think, perhaps it is not her actions that are having a negative effect on her son, perhaps it is yours? Or people like you? People who show complete unfounded disregard towards people simply because they do not agree with their choice of lover.

You have not made it clear what the damage to the child is - simply that he seems somewhat disturbed by the fact that his mother is now seeing another lady. To put his mind at ease, having them seperate is not the answer. Arguing about it or meddleing in their affairs is not the answer. The child needs to be educated that sometimes, some people fall in love with someone of the same sex. That there is nothing wrong with this, that it may not be a choice he would make, but nevertheless one he must accept.

Our society is simply progressing futher and furhter to one where all people are treated equal, regardless of arbitary traits such as race, gender and sexual orientation. There was most likely just as many homosexuals in the 50s, but due to the (thankfully now redundant) laws regarding sexuality, it was not something one would want to be public about. Now we are more free to be honest about who we are, without fear of imrisonment or worse, you see a lot more of us!
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You said it best
 
I agree with Ashley42. We should be accepting of others, regardless of their sexual orientation. Your daughter deserves that much at least.
 
Mom to 5 -

How was your step daughter raised? Is dad a practicng Catholic? Was she baptized?
 
Nobody really seems to have answered the question: why there are more gays in our midst than before.

First of all, that assertion requires statistics to back it up. Do we really know there are more gays now than in the past? Or is it just that they are more visible now?

Hint: remember the terms “confirmed bachelor” and “spinster”?

I’m willing to bet a beer to anyone that statistically, homosexuality is no more prevalent now than before. Just more visible.
 
I said basically what You are saying in post 12. I agree with you Ora!
 
There were always people with SSA, the reason why you never saw them is up till recently in our history being a homosexual usually meant being ostracized, put in jail, and even hanged. I know I would keep my feelings to myself.

Read up on why LGBTs use the pink triangle, its quite the eyeopener. Even in the US Gay “Bashing” is still alive an well.
 
Mom_of_5 said:
. My step-daughter’s husband died about 5 years ago. I think he must be rolling over in his grave.
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Perhaps your daughter has found lesbianism as a way to grieve for her lost husband. A lot of the lesbians I know have a history of terrible relationships with men, have lost relationships with men - either through divorce or death, or some have been seriously harmed by men, like raped for example.

One of my friends I think is a lesbian simply because her father walked out on her and her brothers treated her poorly, she found comfort in the arms of women because she really can’t trust men.

I’m not saying all lesbians are like this, but I just haven’t met any who didn’t have some emotional trauma in their past.

As for the meth addiction, well, meth is a nasty substance. It literally cooks the brain. It could be highly likely that her behaviour now is because of brain damage caused by the drugs. Even if she gets “clean” she’ll never really be the same.

You can’t uncook a steak.

I do agree with you wholeheartedly that a homosexual relationship is damaging to children. Whether the PC crowd want to admit it or not, humans are programmed through millions of years of evolution to respond to a mother AND a father. Children need to have the influence of both genders. It not only gives children an idea how a married couple interact with each other, but they learn how to react to the opposit gendered parent - a relationship development that needs to be positive else it can effect their future relationships.
 
Being gay is just a lot more trendy now. There are tee shirts for sale with the slogan: “instant lesbian–just add alcohol.”
 
JerrySeibert said:
If I may be so bold, I doubt any of the propaganda by the mainstream media that some people are ‘pre programmed’ so to speak to homosexuality. I know in my heart it is a choice, a choice for attention, to be defiant. Regardless of the reason I cannot believe at all that homosexuality is not a ‘choice’.
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As one of suffers from same-sex attractions, I find this post extremely offensive and uncharitable. I never made a choice to be attracted to other men. There are factors in my life that have affected my thinking relative to sexuality (overprotective, dominating mother, emotionally unavailable, critical father, few peer friends in childhood, etc.), but there was never a conscious choice: “I want to feel attracted toward members of the same sex.” That’s simply how I turned out: damaged, with low self-esteem, lousy body-image, no self-confidence, and fear of women.

Now, whether to ACT on those desires in another issue and that IS something someone chooses.

Additionally, those who desire to do so can, of course, attempt to change their sexual orientation through therapy or other methods. In my case, I’m in the process of changing (slow as it may be) because I have become friends with a straight man who is very easy to get along with and has been helpful to me in exploring a lot of my issues. By treating me like “just one of the guys,” he is actually encouraging me to accept myself as a man and to start looking at the opposite sex as my compliment. This is a choice that I have made: to explore the possibility of change. It’s a long, hard road, but I believe it will be worth it in the end.

However, like I said, someone turning out to have same-sex attractions is NOT a choice, it’s an outcome and a symptom of other underlying issues.
 
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