More Scandal From the Pro-Life Movement's Perceived Lack of Concern For the Born

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The pro-choice movement is also silent on issues outside of the realm of the abortion debate. Any suggestions on how to rectify this?
 
Agreed that the Catholic Church does do much good to alleviate the suffering at the border. The problem is, the Church and its members tend to be very willing to politically engage on the issue of abortion as objectively immoral, which it is, but at least the baby doesn’t usually suffer, or even know its life is snuffed out. At the same time, other life issues, which can cause grave suffering for a lifetime, are seen as issues on which Christians may legitimately differ. How is this right? or morally correct?
 
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Agreed that the Catholic Church does do much good to alleviate the suffering at the border. The problem is, the Church and its members tend to be very willing to politically engage on the issue of abortion as objectively immoral, which it is, but at least the baby doesn’t usually suffer, or even know its life is snuffed out. At the same time, other life issues, which can cause grave suffering for a lifetime, are seen as issues on which Christians may legitimately differ. How is this right? or moral?
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How can you say that the child doesn’t suffer, or even try to justify abortion on that premise? And why do you think that pointing to the border crisis is a legitimate means of “discrediting” the pro-life cause?

Let the abortion debate be the abortion debate, and let the immigration debate be the immigration debate.
 
The child doesn’t suffer because at the early stage at which most abortions are performed the brain is insufficiently developed for that to happen. And it’s connected because the same people who condemn abortion often see these other evils as allowable.
 
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The child doesn’t suffer because at the early stage at which most abortions are performed the brain is insufficiently developed for that to happen. And it’s connected because the same people who condemn abortion often see these other evils as allowable.
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No, they’re not connected- and considering that the child is killed in an abortion, then they certainly do suffer.

Let me turn this whole thing on its head by offering that the same people displaying faux outrage over the border are perfectly okay with fetal genocide. Do you take offense at this? Then maybe you can understand why those of us who stand for life take offense at your suggestion that we “don’t care”, simply because we focus on the issue of abortion in the abortion debate.
 
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Abortion is abortion, immigration is immigration. Don’t mix them up.
 
Let’s just call this what it is:
BS nonsense that seeks to cast the prolife community in a bad light.

The Catholic Church is the largest non-gov charitable organization in the world.
The prolife community is hugely generous in providing for the poor, the disenfranchised, the immigrant, the helpless, the homeless.
The pro life community adopts tons of children and raises them.

These articles are tired and embarrassing, gasping desperation moves of the pro death movement.

Have a great day.
 
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The child doesn’t suffer because at the early stage at which most abortions are performed the brain is insufficiently developed for that to happen. And it’s connected because the same people who condemn abortion often see these other evils as allowable.
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allowable?

how about, they have a different solution to the problem.

we have families separated every day in America when people are sent to prison but no one is making the same noise? why?

should we let the illegals go because they have kids with them? it is already questionable if they are being mistreated. some pastors claimed they weren’t
 
This appears to be a left-wing blog. If Fox has no credibility, neither do the writers of this blog.

But really, who is to blame? Do these children have parents? Do those parents have any idea how inherently dangerous an illegal border crossing is? Do they know what a desert is? Lack of water? Were there 50 million armed gang members back home killing them like flies?

In a few cases, yes, but what are our embassies for? The rest are economic refugees from nations to which we have sent trillions for economic development.

Eight long years of incompetence with our last administration and not a single child died at the border? Really? I do note that there was not a single caravan when Saul Alinsky’s student was in office.

Isn’t that odd?

Their home nations do little to stop them, as they work in the US and send BILLIONS to Latin American economies. Check Western Union’s and Xoom’s stats, for but two.

“Oh, it’s the gangs”…blah blah blah… 30 years ago, Russians and Ukrainians were rushing to buy crosses so as to claim religious persecution. I dealt with many of them (in custody) and they appeared to have no religion at all.

I firmly believe that (for the most part) this is a manufactured, timed crisis and the progressive left has blood on its hands. The left always uses the poor as pawns to further its agenda.

Oh, oh! I must be a right-wing xenophobe! Well, my Salvadoran wife is ready to go help build the wall. She knows full well what is happening.
 
It’s really easy for you, who isn’t sucked through a small instrument in pieces, to say that other human beings aren’t suffering.

It’s easy, isn’t it Bill.
 
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but at least the baby doesn’t usually suffer, or even know its life is snuffed out
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Do you honestly believe this? So either 1) the baby has no immortal soul. Or 2) the baby’s soul is ignorant about its life eternally.

Which one are you espousing?
 
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The child doesn’t suffer because at the early stage at which most abortions are performed the brain is insufficiently developed for that to happen. And it’s connected because the same people who condemn abortion often see these other evils as allowable.
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When a person criticizes the compassion level of others while excusing the brutal dismemberment of small children in the tens of millions,

You get zero credibility.
Zero.
 
Items such as this don’t cast the pro-life community in a bad light. They do such a great job of that themselves that it would be difficult to improve on it. Such as these only call attention to it.

This just illustrates that the pro-lifers’ refusal to oppose all anti-life issues alienates very many people of goodwill and power who could at help to alleviate the conditions that encourage abortions, and thus mitigate the evil. Instead pro-lifers must resort to dealing with moral trainwrecks such as Trump in order to get anything done. This drives away more people of good will and causes against Christianity, Catholicism in particular.
 
No one is excusing it. More like the opposite. I’m saying this causes the pro-life movement to lose credibility and lower themselves to dealing with moral degenerates in order to get anything done.
 
Yes…horrible indeed. Until we come to the consensus that Pro-Life extends beyond Pro-Birth, the situation is likely never to be resolved.
 
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I’m saying this causes the pro-life movement to lose credibility and lower themselves to dealing with moral degenerates in order to get anything done.
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Yikes! Who are the “moral degenerates” you are labelling?
 
I’m not espousing either one. Doctors differ but the consensus seems to be that a baby can’t feel any kind of physical pain until at least twenty weeks after conception. We do know that if the necessary parts of the brain aren’t hooked up and properly working a person can’t feel pain, even with an immortal soul. As for what happens after death, we just have to have faith that God has it figured out.
 
The main example I had in mind is President Trump, although a cursory search will find numerous other sketchy “pro-life” politicians as well.
 
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