More women "ordained"

[Mimi]

I have been trying to find out that if a Catholic supports this kind of activity, does that make him or her automatically excommunicated as well? Say, if this person is a member of Call to Action and attends their conventions?

Should I make this know to our pastor? It could be he is already aware of it. But I’m afraid of mentioning it and then finding out he thinks it’s okay!

I would like to broach the issue, but don’t quite know how I could put it without seeming suspicious or like I’m a member of the Inquisition. Our pastor has not given any indication, IMO, that he IS on their side. He does, however, allow people to present points of view that are not quite orthodox. I can cite a specific example if you like. In some parishes, DRE’s and other leaders are required to sign a statement they are faithful to the teachings of the Magisterium. Not a bad idea, IMO, esp. these days.

Peace,
Mimi

 

[Caesar]

I have been trying to find out that if a Catholic supports this kind of activity, does that make him or her automatically excommunicated as well? Say, if this person is a member of Call to Action and attends their conventions?

Should I make this know to our pastor? It could be he is already aware of it. But I’m afraid of mentioning it and then finding out he thinks it’s okay!

I would like to broach the issue, but don’t quite know how I could put it without seeming suspicious or like I’m a member of the Inquisition. Our pastor has not given any indication, IMO, that he IS on their side. He does, however, allow people to present points of view that are not quite orthodox. I can cite a specific example if you like. In some parishes, DRE’s and other leaders are required to sign a statement they are faithful to the teachings of the Magisterium. Not a bad idea, IMO, esp. these days.

Peace,
Mimi

I would say, could be wrong though, that the wording of Ordinatio Sacerdotalis makes it clear that no Catholic can believe that it is possible for a woman to be ordained, thus if anyone proffesses that they are in heresy and excomunicate.

As for that Call to Action group, they have already been condemned and excommunicated in several Dioceses.

 

[KCT]

They’re playing priest just like cohabiting couples are playing marriage. —KCT

 

[Theodore]

I do not understand why people still go on about women priest… During the Eucharistic Prayer when the Priest consecrates the Host and utters the words “This is My Body” at that particular moment the priest takes the place of Christ and since Christ was a male how can a woman say this is my body. Maybe those people that don’t know the difference between a male and a female should go an ask a 2 or 3 year old because these days they get taught that at pre-school… To me the whole question of female ordination sounds pretty sick. Theo from OZ …

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

They’re playing priest just like cohabiting couples are playing marriage. —KCT

That analogy is apt on a very deep level. Confusion over the priesthood goes hand in hand with confusion over the purpose of sex, and the institution of marriage itself. It’s no coincidence that the leading advocates of women’s “ordination” are invariably in favour of abortion, divorce and remarriage, pre-marital sex and cohabitation, and same sex “marriage” as well – about as diabolical an attack on the family as one can imagine this side of hell.

These people are a good deal more than just confused, and a good deal more dangerous than simply confused people.

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[schatzi]

“She” can call herself a ham sandwich. She’s neither a ham sandwich nor a priest.
Come to think of it, maybe she is a ham sandwich.

 

[rlg94086]

independent.com/news/2007/jul/26/women-anointed-catholic-deacons-priest-sb/

one female priest and two female deacons were invested with the power to perform sacraments — a function forbidden to women under canon law.

So, if it’s forbidden, then they weren’t really invested were they? I’m assuming it is no different than if a priest were to perform a Marriage for a gay couple. They are both invalid from the outset.

Toni Tortorilla, of Portland, lives with her lesbian partner. Cordero, a newly anointed priest who lives in San Luis Obispo, is a former nun who has been married for 30 years to a former Jesuit priest.

Obviously, traditionalists…I wonder if they’ll offer a TLM?

…the names the presiding clergy used for God, who is ordinarily referred to as “the Father.” The female priests instead referred to “Mother and Father” and to “God/de.” (The latter is pronounced like “God,” with the silent, extra letters hinting at a goddess that those in the ceremony declined to refer to explicitly.)

I suspect that would also invalidate the ceremony.

These folks are basically Protestants in the oldest sense. Like Luther, they are baptized Catholics, but they have left the Church. They just think they are still part of the Church.

 

[rpp]

I think we need to get some terms correct.

Instead of saying “female priest”, use the phrase “pseudo priestess”.

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

“She” can call herself a ham sandwich. She’s neither a ham sandwich nor a priest.
Come to think of it, maybe she is a ham sandwich.

More like Click or Spam than a fine cut of anything.

I’d honestly have more respect for these folks if they came right out and said they were starting their own religion, with their own rules, rather than trying to bogusly pretend to still be Catholic. That, even more than their affrontery, really disgusts me.

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[rpp]

More like Click or Spam than a fine cut of anything.

I’d honestly have more respect for these folks if they came right out and said they were starting their own religion, with their own rules, rather than trying to bogusly pretend to still be Catholic. That, even more than their affrontery, really disgusts me.

Blessings,

Gerry

But Gerry, that is their point. They want to disgust and humiliate you. They want to demonstrate that you (and I and all other faithful Catholic) are nothing but sexist, chauvinistic cavemen and that they are the humble oppressed ones.

It is the same mentality that caused many women to destroy so many men’s organizations in the 1970s and 80s by filing lawsuits to force them to accept women.

These are not only women who have, by their own actions, excommunicated themselves, they also deny their own femininity.

 

[st_julie]

and those with jobs within the church are secret?? which jobs? QUOTE]

They are probably “litergists”

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

… These are not only women who have, by their own actions, excommunicated themselves, they also deny their own femininity.

Well, I’m not sure they are out to do what you suggest in the first part of the post – they are so narcissistic that their selves are their prime foci, not men. They certainly have no quams about doing it, or the labelling you identify in the second part. But you are absolutely 100% right on about their denial of their own femininity.

Peter Kreeft, in his excellent explaination of why there can be no women Catholic priests (the audio is on his website) refers to it as them, effectively, donning male sex organs. Their denial of their femininity is the true tragedy.

Our next anniversary will be our 40th. And in those years, thanks to my good wife, my respect and admiration for the feminine has done nothing but increase. I wonder do they truly realize what an awesome thing they are turning their backs on?

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[chewchoo]

More like Click or Spam than a fine cut of anything.

I’d honestly have more respect for these folks if they came right out and said they were starting their own religion, with their own rules, rather than trying to bogusly pretend to still be Catholic. That, even more than their affrontery, really disgusts me.

Blessings,

Gerry

if they formed their own church then they would be invisible in the 30,000 other churches already out there.
they want to bring down the mother church. create scandal.

 

[rpp]

Well, I’m not sure they are out to do what you suggest in the first part of the post – they are so narcissistic that their selves are their prime foci, not men. They certainly have no quams about doing it, or the labelling you identify in the second part. But you are absolutely 100% right on about their denial of their own femininity.

Gerry, actually they have excommunicated themselves, and so has anyone involved with their ordination.

Canon Law 1382 Both the Bishop who, without a pontifical mandate, consecrates a person a Bishop, and the one who receives the consecration from him, incur a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See.

Recall that latae sententiae means “by the very act” and had been interpreted to mean self-excommunication.

The above covers the bishops who attempted to ordained the female pseudo bishopess who, in turn, attempted to ordain the pseudo priestesses and pseudo deaconesses in the news story.

Here, since they are violating an infallible teaching and doctrine of the Church we see that those ordained have also excommunicated themselves.

Can. 1364 ß1 An apostate from the faith, a heretic or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication, without prejudice to the provision of Can. 194 ß1, n. 2; a cleric, moreover, may be punished with the penalties mentioned in Can. 1336 ß1, nn. 1, 2 and 3.

 

[rpp]

A clarification on what I wrote about the phrase “latae sententiae excommunication”.

It is my understanding, which may be wrong, that the Church generally means this to be an automatic excommunication, no action is required by a bishop. If I am incorrect about this, please let me know.

I always welcome charitable correction.

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

A clarification on what I wrote about the phrase “latae sententiae excommunication”.

It is my understanding, which may be wrong, that the Church generally means this to be an automatic excommunication, no action is required by a bishop. If I am incorrect about this, please let me know.

I always welcome charitable correction.

None needed. You are absolutely correct. Where the excommunication is formally imposed, it is termed ferendae sententiae.

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[Dempsey1919]

Why don’t these dissenters leave the church if they’re not happy with church teaching, instead of trying to chage it to suit them?

People like this really annoy me. They profess to be Catholics but go about blatantly disobeying and ignoring church teaching. They practically treat the catechism like a buffet, picking and choosing the things that they want to follow and disregarding what they dislike.

I’m a lapsed catholic and I’m doing a lot of research at the moment. I won’t return to the church unless I can agree with EVERYTHING it teaches, to do so would only make me a hypocrite. I couldn’t participate in the mass knowing that I use contraception.

Just as I do not join the church and knowingly disregard official teaching, why can’t these dissenters leave if they don’t believe fully in the doctrines of the church? They are nothing but hypicrites.

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

Gerry, actually they have excommunicated themselves, and so has anyone involved with their ordination.

Recall that latae sententiae means “by the very act” and had been interpreted to mean self-excommunication.

The above covers the bishops who attempted to ordained the female pseudo bishopess who, in turn, attempted to ordain the pseudo priestesses and pseudo deaconesses in the news story.

Here, since they are violating an infallible teaching and doctrine of the Church we see that those ordained have also excommunicated themselves.

Oh, never suggested, or intended to suggest, that they didn’t. My point is that they ignored the consequences (which they cannot but have been aware of) and proceeded anyway, rather than setting out with the purpose of being excommunicated. And likewise, I don’t think they set out to particularly outrage anyone either, even though the outrage could not have been but expected.

It’s a matter of their focus, which was on themselves, and not on either the effects of their actions, or anyone else.

One of the things that becomes clear when one listens to the prattlings of these priestesses is that they have utterly lost touch with what the Catholic Priesthood is. It’s not a vehicle to power, self-fulfilment, even increased holiness for the one ordained. It is an answer to a call to service. The Holy Father, priest of priests, is the “servant of the servants of God” – that’s not PR, that’s the job description. All the prattling about equality, fulfilment, and the rest bespeaks an utter ignorance of what priesthood is all about.

That, of course, just deepens the bewilderment. They want “Catholic priesthood”, but are out after that which has nothing to do with it. It’s as contradictory as pursuing chastity through fornication.

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[rpp]

{snip}
One of the things that becomes clear when one listens to the prattlings of these priestesses is that they have utterly lost touch with what the Catholic Priesthood is. It’s not a vehicle to power, self-fulfilment, even increased holiness for the one ordained. It is an answer to a call to service. The Holy Father, priest of priests, is the “servant of the servants of God” – that’s not PR, that’s the job description. All the prattling about equality, fulfilment, and the rest bespeaks an utter ignorance of what priesthood is all about.

That, of course, just deepens the bewilderment. They want “Catholic priesthood”, but are out after that which has nothing to do with it. It’s as contradictory as pursuing chastity through fornication.

Blessings,

Gerry

What I bolded states very well why this challenge does not make sense. Well said.

 

[Steve40]

The position of the Church on these silly …

Sexually speaking I think the Church’s position makes a lot of sense. The priest is in The Person of Christ at the Conscration when He says “This Is My Body” or “This Is The Cup Of My Blood”. Christ is alway Masculine to His bride the Church. Just as a husband enters into his wife to give new life, Christ’s Body and Blood enter into the Church to give us new life. A women priest would be like homo sexual sex.