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KathleenGee
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I wish I could get mine into Steubenville…so far away…we don’t have the money…
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why_me
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Nothing is actually unique except that which is created by god. A beautiful building can be matched by other beautiful buildings. Now the grand canyon is unique as is yellowstone national park. Now of course, human beings are unique but they do share common characteristics based on socialization. Mormons and catholics are no exception. However, across the board, mormons in general have a great record when it comes to family values, moral codes to live by, and in enhancing positive aspects of human nature.
And in that, they are unique. But yes, such values and behavior can be found in other groupings among individuals. Human nature is not unique since every human being possesses it. And mormonism is made up of individuals.
vandalism is not unique because we humans are imperfect in our human nature.
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why_me
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BYU is affordable for worthy mormon youth. Maybe the catholic church should have the same policy.
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why_me
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He came to teach us how to love. And if we learn that lesson well, we will become nice people. Atheists can be wonderful people, especially those who have adopted humanistic behaviour.
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TheosisM
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Loads of scholarships are available, there’s always a way. One of the nurses I used to work with went there. She loved it.
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Two things can’t be unique at the same time, therefore Mormons are not unique; which is my point. Thank You.
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Marie5890
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No, they’re not. The southern Christians are well known for this, too.
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RebeccaJ
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why me, I don’t really disagree with you here. Only will add, often that “great record” is a cultivated veneer. ie, not genuine.
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zaffiroborant
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I remember another thread talking about Catholic schools. It is of course okay for you all to charge less for your members but it is absolutely wrong for us to do so.
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Marie5890
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Wouldnt work. How collected monies are collect and used are different for each.
All tithing money given by Mormons and collected by wards is sent back to Salt Lake. From there a budget is sent for each ward and stake and then Salt Lake sends it back to them. Much of the tithing money, besides being re-allocated back to stakes and wards, goes to things like running temples, the realistate ventures of the LDS church, offset costs for BYU-I, BYU-H and BYU Provo.
For Catholics, monies raised by the parish stay in the parish for the running of the parish.
They dont get sent back to Vatican City only to be re-allocated.
I know in my parish, those families who have kids in the local Catholic schools (both elementary and highschools) can get help with tuition.
Unlike the LDS church, which has both as its ecclesial center in SLC, so its it’s fiscal center. Tithing goes back to headquarters and re-distributed.
Just doesnt happen in the Catholic Church. Even dioceses raise money separated from the parishes that fall within its boundries.
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RebeccaJ
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And why we have special collections, which monies are used specifically for X purposes. Such as Peter’s Pence, a collection which is specifically to support the Roman See.
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Marie5890
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Fair point.
Was just pointing out that for the most part, the monies donated in the weekly gifts STAY with the parish, and dont get sent to the Holy See.
Unlike the LDS wards. All tithes get sent to SLC and then re-distrubuted
But yes, Peter’s Pence is sent to the Vatican. Once a year.
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kalt
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What makes a mormon youth “worthy”?
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kalt
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That’s what we were told. What it comes down to is that if you’re white and male, there’s little to no money. Colleges will knock off enough money to make their cost the same as your instate college - almost. They know you’ll pay that 1 or 2 grand extra.
If someone knows of a scholarship for white males, please post the info here. There’s still time for us.
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RebeccaJ
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Being ‘nice’…ok, just kidding. All BYU students (mormon and non-mormon) must follow the BYU honor code.
Be honest
Live a chaste and virtuous life
Obey the law and all campus policies
Use clean language
Respect others
Abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee, and substance abuse
Participate regularly in church services
Observe the Dress and Grooming Standards
Encourage others in their commitment to comply with the Honor Code
Students are required to meet with their bishop once a year, where it is the bishop’s responsibility to judge, via an interview, if the student is “worthy”. (This is normal for mormons, they have these meetings frequently throughout their lives.)
byui.edu/deanofstudents/bishop%20guidelines.htm
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Marie5890
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They also (at least when I was there) had to live in BYU approved housing…(basically segregated for the singles)
I have to chuckle about living the WoW standard. BYU sports department, like other colleges, does heavy recruitment. Understandable. Many of the athletes, especially the football team (at least when I was a student) were not LDS and tended to party. Booze and all (had a good friend in my ward who was very close to many of the team members and partied with them…There was when I was there a significant of underground alcoholic partying going on by both members and non-members)
There was a tendency to “look the other way” for these guys…
I remember when Ty Demeter won the Heisman in 1990. There was so much partying after that that they lost to Hawaii BIG TIME 59-28
So yes there are standards and they are pretty straight laced, But I have seen people get away with a great deal too. Esp the non-member athletes.
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why_me
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What does it mean to be unique? Human beings are not unique from each other. We all have the same human nature. But I do think that in mormonism, the good side to that nature is cultivated more than in other more traditional faiths, especially among the youth. It all comes down to what is a latter day saint and how that definition is cultivated. Here is an interesting article in the lds youth magazine, The New Era:
lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?locale=0&sourceId=ae0c494444c25210VgnVCM100000176f620a____&vgnextoid=024644f8f206c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD
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why_me
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This cultivated veneer would place the mormons as the best actors in history. I have been around many mormons, and I can’t say that I have seen it often used. But we all have the actor in us.
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why_me
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Mormons also have scholarships too to support the less fortunate. But the tuition is rather low considering that BYU is a good school and one of the top schools for corporate recuiters. I think that the catholic colleges can do the same.
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Marie5890
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BYU is a good school. The tuition is low due to a few reasons. It’s not in a more expensive area of the country, and it is supported by the tithes of the LDS. It’s Board of Directors is the Qof12 and possibly the 1st Pres.
So BYU is tied very closely to SLC and LDS., Inc.
Like I have said before, the financial structure of the LDS church is vastly different of the Catholic church.
The various Catholic educational universities throughout the nation and not directly tied to any particular part of the Catholic Church itself financially…
This is really an apple and oranges scenerio…
Its one of the reason why some of the more well known Catholic universities can still survive even though they really have deviated from Catholic standards (NotreDame, BC, etc etc)
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