Mormom belief: Jesus was in the Americas.

[Nicea325]

This is worth repeating:

“God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil–all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 6, pp. 408-409)

PROOF! Joey is full of himself!

 

[SteveVH]

PROOF! Joey is full of himself!

Ya think?

 

[SteveVH]

I’d only heard of Mormons, through the Donny and Marie show.

Other than that, I learned by coming to CAF about Mormons beliefs. For me (non US born) Ive always chuckled that in Hollywood movies everything happens in the USA. So as far as I am concerned (with no disrespect to all Mormons) perhaps they simply believe this is true because it’s exciting and adventurous to think that Jesus was in the Americas

MJ

Yeah, I always thought Mormons were a little bit country and a little bit rock and roll. Who knew?

 

[MartinJordan]

Yeah, I always thought Mormons were a little bit country and a little bit rock and roll. Who knew?

MJ

 

[gazelam]

This is worth repeating:

“God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil–all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 6, pp. 408-409)

What a great opportunity to learn from the scriptures…

John 14:12 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

 

[TheIrishman]

Not according to Mormons. Jesus already has his own planet.

Can’t say i’ve ever been taught that or have ever taught it myself. I think the church believes that Christ is on the right hand of God. But i could be wrong.

 

[TheIrishman]

But why would he visit followers in the Americas…when not any of the Apostles has been to the Americas to start Christianity?

There were no Christians in the America’s at that time? And if jesus did indeed go to the America’s…where are the 12 apostles of the America’s?

Why did the Spaniards, the Pilgrims, the French…Columbus…who went here not encounter any Christians?

According to the book of mormon, an israelite tribe around 600bc left jerusalem and traveled to the America’s. Where jewish traditions and customs were still taught and followed and the people there awaited the messiah just like the jews in Jerusalem.

And there were 12 disciples in the America’s once Christ came to visit, they weren’t called apostles because Christ already annointed His twelve.

And the book of mormon ends with a giant war that basically says the bad guys won and killed all the christians. that was around 400 or so ad and so any remnants of Christianity would have been distorted or destroyed.

This is all in the Book of Mormon.

 

[TheIrishman]

Because there was a second “Great Apostasy”. Jesus tried twice to start his Church and failed both times.

This is true. Apparently the church in the America’s did slightly better by lasting till the 400’s. But then everyone died.

 

[MartinJordan]

According to the book of mormon, an israelite tribe around 600bc left jerusalem and traveled to the America’s. Where jewish traditions and customs were still taught and followed and the people there awaited the messiah just like the jews in Jerusalem.

And there were 12 disciples in the America’s once Christ came to visit, they weren’t called apostles because Christ already annointed His twelve.

And the book of mormon ends with a giant war that basically says the bad guys won and killed all the christians. that was around 400 or so ad and so any remnants of Christianity would have been distorted or destroyed.

This is all in the Book of Mormon.

I heard this is the next project by Dan Brown who will tell it how it really happened

MJ

 

[debbie_h]

This is worth repeating:

“God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil–all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 6, pp. 408-409)

So Joseph smith is saying he is better than God… Wow… :ehh:

 

[debbie_h]

I heard this is the next project by Dan Brown who will tell it how it really happened

MJ

“The joe Smith Code”

 

[Porknpie]

Can’t say i’ve ever been taught that or have ever taught it myself. I think the church believes that Christ is on the right hand of God. But i could be wrong.

Irishman -

Did they teach you that the Garden of Eden was in Missouri?

 

[Porknpie]

And the book of mormon ends with a giant war that basically says the bad guys won and killed all the christians. that was around 400 or so ad and so any remnants of Christianity would have been distorted or destroyed.

This is all in the Book of Mormon.

Yes Irishman. And there is no evidence of that Great War that killed millions. No human remains, no chariots, no swords, horses … no nothing.

Interesting though that horses and swords never came to the America’s until the Spanish arrived…after Columbus in 1492.

And the American Indian’s are the descendants of this winning race … despite now that genetics show that they come from Asia (over the land bridge that once existed between Alaska and Russia).

But it all goes back to there being a Great Apostasy in the early Church. This is false as well. The Church numbers grew greatly, guided by the Holy Spirit to all Truth.

Pork

 

[mathonihah]

When I was a missionary, that was our BIG WOW-EM TOTALLY BLOW THEIR MIND doctrine.

But then, why didn’t he go to Australia also? or Africa? or even the North Pole?

Yeah…why the America’s? Why not Europe?

How do you know he didn’t? According to the Book of Mormon, the Nephites were not the only people of Israelite origin who had been separated from the main group in Palestine, and led to populate different parts of the globe. There were many others. And when Jesus visited the Nephites in the Americas, he told them that there were other groups, and he was going to visit them too. Where they were we don’t know; but Australia and Europe are as likely as any other places.

Better yet…why not other PLANETS…

That is also a possibility. According to the D&C and the Book of Moses, there are many inhabited planets; and Jesus is the Savior and Redeemer of all of them, not just of the inhabitants of this planet. So he may very well have visited some of them too.

That has always been my question and I have never received an answer…

Now you have!

Maybe He did, but we do not know about it yet.

Good answer, especially coming from a Catholic!

 

[mathonihah]

well, if I ever met a Mormon missionary, I’ll say this is not possible because Jesus ASCENDED into HEAVEN 40 days after he ROSE FROM THE DEAD…He was in HEAVEN not in the Americas.

There were 11 witnesses to this event and its recorded in Scripture. There is no such record for Jesus visiting the Americas. He sent his mother to the Americas in the 1500s to a poor man named Juan Diego, but that was 300 years before Joseph Smith and his false claims.

What makes you think that because Jesus ascended to heaven, he cannot descend again? How did Paul see him (Acts 23:11), if he couldn’t descend again?

 

[mathonihah]

But why would he visit followers in the Americas…when not any of the Apostles has been to the Americas to start Christianity?

There were no Christians in the America’s at that time? And if jesus did indeed go to the America’s…where are the 12 apostles of the America’s?

Why did the Spaniards, the Pilgrims, the French…Columbus…who went here not encounter any Christians?

That is a long story. You will have to read the Book of Mormon to find the answer to those questions.

 

[mathonihah]

There’s a large number of folks named Jesus in the latin american culture. Perhaps this is simply a case of mistaken identity.

LOL! That is a good one. But the real story as told in the Book of Mormon is a lot more interesting than that.

 

[mathonihah]

So the Mormons believe that Jesus failed twice? And how on earth did Jesus get to the Americas when he was in heaven… I’m so confused …

Ditto. Read especially the parable of the vineyard in Jacob 5. The “branches” which were cut off from the “mother tree” represents the different branches of the house of Israel which were led by the Lord to distant lands, where they developed as independent societies, including the groups which were led to the Americas, of whom the Book of Mormon is a historical record…

 

[mathonihah]

I’d only heard of Mormons, through the Donny and Marie show.

Other than that, I learned by coming to CAF about Mormons beliefs. For me (non US born) Ive always chuckled that in Hollywood movies everything happens in the USA. So as far as I am concerned (with no disrespect to all Mormons) perhaps they simply believe this is true because it’s exciting and adventurous to think that Jesus was in the Americas

MJ

I can assure you they are a lot more serious about it than that!

 

[Nicea325]

Ditto. Read especially the parable of the vineyard in Jacob 5. The “branches” which were cut off from the “mother tree” represents the different branches of the house of Israel which were led by the Lord to distant lands, where they developed as independent societies, including the groups which were led to the Americas, of whom the Book of Mormon is a historical record…

U-huh…to bad your interpretation is seriously flawed. LOL! Give me one secular record of Jesus being in the Americas prior to the founding of the man-made cult called Mormonism?