Mormon Church Trying to Keep the Wheels On

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Church councls, Popes, a few illustrious Saints such as Aquinas, have all agreed that the gates of hell are heresies and heretics, with them in agreement that the meaning of the passage is that heresies/heretics will not prevail against the Catholic faith.

“Wisdom may fill the hearts of the faithful, and put to silence the dread folly of heretics, fittingly referred to as the gates of Hell.” -Thomas Aquinas

Ironically, Mormons who hang about here preach heresies on a regular basis. Freely, unfettered, with protection from Catholics while doing so. It’s quite remarkable, but I imagine, in the end, it must be frustrating to not prevail.
 
RebeccaJ said:
Church councls, Popes, a few illustrious Saints such as Aquinas, have all agreed that the gates of hell are heresies and heretics, with them in agreement that the meaning of the passage is that heresies/heretics will not prevail against the Catholic faith.

“Wisdom may fill the hearts of the faithful, and put to silence the dread folly of heretics, fittingly referred to as the gates of Hell.” -Thomas Aquinas
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Would you say this teaching regarding the meaning of “gates of hell” is an infallible teaching or a non-infallible teaching of the Catholic Church? And if you have any sources, that would be fabulous.
 
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Gazelem, we the laity, are “permitted and sometimes even obliged to express their opinion on those things which concern the good of the Church. When occasions arise, let this be done through the organs erected by the Church for this purpose. Let it always be done in truth, in courage and in prudence, with reverence and charity toward those who by reason of their sacred office represent the person of Christ.

The laity should, as all Christians, promptly accept in Christian obedience decisions of their spiritual shepherds, since they are representatives of Christ as well as teachers and rulers in the Church. Let them follow the example of Christ, who by His obedience even unto death, opened to all men the blessed way of the liberty of the children of God. “ (Lumen Gentium)

In other words, I don’t believe you ask your question with a sense of liberty and freedom, let alone charity and reverence. Since you ask this often as a jab at the Catholic faith, I’m certain you are seeking to remove our freedom. In what is perhaps for you, a hypothetical bondage to impose on us, as liberty itself is for you, hypothetical. Meanwhile, neither having charity or reverence for our shepherds and what they teach.

In other, other words, you’re trolling.
 
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Do Mormon’s accept the New Testament as God’s word. If so, why?
 
catholicray said:
Do Mormon’s accept the New Testament as God’s word. If so, why?
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Yes we do. The Eighth article of Faith states “We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.” The short answer as to why is that we believe that the Bible is a collection of divinely inspired writings. I hope this helps…
 
gazelam said:
Would you say this teaching regarding the meaning of “gates of hell” is an infallible teaching or a non-infallible teaching of the Catholic Church? And if you have any sources, that would be fabulous.
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Here’s a source for you. The Source of all sources. Jesus Himself.

Matthew 16:18 (KJV)
“And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

Matthew 16:18 (DR)
“And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

You see, gazelam, the Catholic Church professes the One who is Himself infallible. Jesus the Christ. His teachings. His Church.
 
The Book Of Mormon is NOT the word of God, gazelam. It is the highly imaginative word of your religion’s and church’s founder, Joseph Smith who was dissatisfied with the churches that were in existence then and began his own religion and church by making false claims and plagiarizing the already written word of God to make his Book Of Mormon more convincing when he claimed it as “another testament of Jesus Christ.”

Anyone who wants to learn the truth about your church’s beliefs and teachings will find them easily accessible.
 
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Would you be willing to explain how or why you believe the New Testament to be the “Word of God”?
 
Well, no shocking new announcements from the world of Mormon today but their statics show the slowest rate of growth in 40 years. We should rejoice in that.
 
lilypadrees said:
The Book Of Mormon is NOT the word of God, gazelam. It is the highly imaginative word of your religion’s and church’s founder, Joseph Smith
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It’s not even that imaginative. He merely took ideas from various sources, like the KJV Bible, The Pilgrim’s Progress, and View of the Hebrews, and combined them into a very flawed novel. It took nothing ingenious to figure out.
 
Oh and I forgot to add one more thing—did you notice that the church announced the LGTBQ policy change BEFORE General Conference and not DURING General Conference just two days later? I mean, General Conference is by far the best place to put out new information to the membership. The whole church is watching it live on TV. But they didn’t do this. Why? Why not get the word out to everyone?

Because they don’t want to get the word out to everyone. They don’t want the membership to know about these more controversial issues. They don’t want the general public to know either, because bringing up these types of issues at all makes the church look bad. So instead they put out an announcement ahead of time that fewer members would notice. The rest don’t even know about it. That keeps the members from diving a little deeper into the policy and asking questions. They did the same thing when the Gospel Topics essays were published a few years ago. Not widely advertised at all, buried on their website where only those that were specifically looking for them would find them.
 
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gazelam said:
“We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly
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The church should have put a period after the first half of that statement. That little qualifier at the end is the license the church gave itself to retranslate the bible as they saw fit, which Joseph Smith did by the way. In the JST, Joseph changed things to bring the bible more in line with his doctrinal ideas. How convenient.
 
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And wouldn’t you think that the parts of the Bible in the Book of Mormon should agree with the Joseph Smith Translation rather than the KJV?
 
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Yeah I know. Just unbelievable. Also, I’ve always found it strange how the Mormon church accepted the Protestant version of the bible even though it was the Catholic Church that determined what books belonged in the bible and it was Protestants that later removed some of those books–long, long after the great apostacy allegedly took place. And even further, why do they not accept the apocryphal books the Catholic Church rejected (also after the great apostacy)? Instead, Joseph accepted the version of the bible that just happened to be the version in wide use in his time and place.
 
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gazelam said:
Would you say this teaching regarding the meaning of “gates of hell” is an infallible teaching or a non-infallible teaching of the Catholic Church?
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Micheal Winter agrees with Thomas Aquinas, and not the Mormon interpretation of Winter’s quote, so how is this relevant?
 
catholicray said:
Would you be willing to explain how or why you believe the New Testament to be the “Word of God”?
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Sure. I’ve had a witness from the Holy Spirit that it is God’s word. Also, when I apply the principles taught in the Bible to my life I feel closer to God. I hope this helps…
 
RebeccaJ said:
In other words, I don’t believe you ask your question with a sense of liberty and freedom,
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If it is not readily apparent, I am a simple person. I frankly have no idea what you’re referring to by this phrase.
RebeccaJ said:
Since you ask this often as a jab at the Catholic faith,
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I just finished reading Jimmy Akin’s book “Teaching with Authority” which talks about infallible doctrine/dogma vs the non-infallible doctrine/teachings. Before reading the book I wouldn’t have even known to ask the question. Since you say I ask it often, can you point me to other instances where I’ve asked this question?
RebeccaJ said:
In other, other words, you’re trolling.
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I respectfully disagree with your assessment.
 
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