Mormon church's statement regarding new Pope

[Ezekiel_Stone]

Tex, for the record, Bruce R. McConkie is not someone other than Bruce R. McConkie.

Are those Modoc quote from the first edition, which I already said that the church forced Elder McConkie to retract in subsequent editions?

As for your quote from Joseph Smith, I wasn’t aware that any Catholics considered the Catholic church a subset of “presbyterianism.” And saying that something “isn’t true” is hardly the sort of uncharitable bashing as you have offered on some other threads about the LDS church. All that means is that he disagrees. Takes a different position. Not exactly an attack. Did you leave that one in your cut and paste accidentally?

 

[TexanKnight]

Tex, for the record, Bruce R. McConkie is not someone other than Bruce R. McConkie.

Are those Modoc quote from the first edition, which I already said that the church forced Elder McConkie to retract in subsequent editions?

As for your quote from Joseph Smith, I wasn’t aware that any Catholics considered the Catholic church a subset of “presbyterianism.” And saying that something “isn’t true” is hardly the sort of uncharitable bashing as you have offered on some other threads about the LDS church. All that means is that he disagrees. Takes a different position. Not exactly an attack. Did you leave that one in your cut and paste accidentally?

For the record, I wanted to be thorough. McKonkie was not the only LDS Apostle to bash Catholics and/or other faiths

You can twist it and mock it and shrug it all you want Truth is truth,

 

[Ezekiel_Stone]

“Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the Church of the Lamb of God and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore whoso belongeth not to the church of the lamb of God belongeth to that great church; which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.” (The Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10)

That quote is correct, but if you think that means that mormons think that all non-LDS churches are abominations, you are wrong. That section of the book of Mormon is cites the apostle John the Revelator, in which the word church “ecclessia” doesn’t map exactly to what we mean as church. Current LDS writings emphasize that mormons regard many people of other faiths as part of the Church of the Lamb of God. I can look up the references if anyone is sincerely interested. I can’t hit this forum every day, so please PM me if you’re interested.

 

[TexanKnight]

“Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the Church of the Lamb of God and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore whoso belongeth not to the church of the lamb of God belongeth to that great church; which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.” (The Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10)

That quote is correct, but if you think that means that mormons think that all non-LDS churches are abominations, you are wrong. That section of the book of Mormon is cites the apostle John the Revelator, in which the word church “ecclessia” doesn’t map exactly to what we mean as church. Current LDS writings emphasize that mormons regard many people of other faiths as part of the Church of the Lamb of God. I can look up the references if anyone is sincerely interested. I can’t hit this forum every day, so please PM me if you’re interested.

I posted dozens of quotes and you respond to one…and it happens to be the only one from the Book of Mormn and not from one of the apostles Interesting

Of course that also does not address the Catholic Priest used as the agent of Satan in the old temple ceremonies.

Interesting

 

[Marie5890]

Thank you Marie.

it’s nice to see a reasonable face in the crowd. There’s something about forums of fellow believers that attracts some of the worst people on the web, and then brings out the worst in them. This is true of the pure LDS sites sites too – the groupthink there appalls me.

You’re welcome.

The brokeness that is seen is groupthink happens to all kinds of people, regardless of race, creed or whatever.

I am sorry when Catholics are attacked, I am sorry when Mormons are attacked, I am sorry when any group or individual is attacked.

But there is something extra-disappointing when it’s done by one faith group towards another faith group.

 

[Ezekiel_Stone]

You’re welcome.

The brokeness that is seen is groupthink happens to all kinds of people, regardless of race, creed or whatever.

I am sorry when Catholics are attacked, I am sorry when Mormons are attacked, I am sorry when any group or individual is attacked.

Thank you for your kind words. Fortunately I was raised in Catholic communities, and most of the Catholics that I know are more like you, Marie, than like … some other posters here.

But there is something extra-disappointing when it’s done by one faith group towards another faith group.

There certainly is! When I was an LDS missionary, I bawled out my senior companion (the only time I ever broke ranks like that) for being disrespectful to Catholicism. He used to read some anti-Catholic tracts, and I asked him, those people who wrote antiCatholic tracts, do you know what they write about Mormons? And I got kicked off a Mormon blog, Times and Seasons, for telling a Mormon that his disparaging of other viewpoints was an embarassment. I’ve already lasted longer here than I did on Times and Seasons.

 

[HELLOTOALL]

posters here should realize that members of LDS in latin america are former catholics.i am sure over 95% of them! LDS leadership should desist from proletyzing catholic countries,as they destroy cultures,traditions,families,communities.One time they infiltrated one huge Catholic Humanitarian org in the Philippines,in the spirit of ecunumism.Their church members enlisted as volunteers,but their evil agenda was exposed later on ,as they were mainly there to proselytize Catholics and not to help the marginalized.

 

[TexanKnight]

Thank you for your kind words. Fortunately I was raised in Catholic communities, and most of the Catholics that I know are more like you, Marie, than like … some other posters here.

There certainly is! When I was an LDS missionary, I bawled out my senior companion (the only time I ever broke ranks like that) for being disrespectful to Catholicism. He used to read some anti-Catholic tracts, and I asked him, those people who wrote antiCatholic tracts, do you know what they write about Mormons? And I got kicked off a Mormon blog, Times and Seasons, for telling a Mormon that his disparaging of other viewpoints was an embarassment. I’ve already lasted longer here than I did on Times and Seasons.

Funny…when I was an LDS Missionary, I was chastised by the Mission President for asking positive questions about the Catholic Church. I was taught that the Catholic Church was evil and, in a Catholic country, we were told to preach that the Catholic Church was evil ad we had to save them from it

I wish the Mormons who tried to kidnap my children when I left the LDS church were as generous as you claim to be

 

[Publisher]

How odd. I share so little in the way of belief with LDS I’m not sure why they even said it. They aren’t Christians are they?

Perhaps it’s not necessary for ‘you’ to believe they are Christians , it is only necessary that they believe they are Christians and live accordingly. That you don’t believe they are in no way affects what they believe about themselves. Seems like a wonderful way to believe and live to me.

 

[Megan7]

AMEN I say to thee!
But, as the Bible says, the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand does. The message of the LDS leadership is not trickling down - or it is lip service. Local Mormon “stakes” (our version of parish) here, until last weekend, still spout anti-catholic rhetoric! It is just their dogma. I know. i am related to one.
They believe that only LDS go to heaven and catholics are the least capable. They are a very low self-esteem theology. But thats ok. I don’t put any faith down or usually even THINK about them. I’m extremely comfortable!
Might I remind everyone that all of the controversies that have been started between LDS and the Church were by the LDS in the media. They also believe Christ lives on the planet Kolob in the Andromeda galaxy! Don’t believe it? Google it. I’ll save you the time, it’s true. But no matter. The Churches record with reconciliation with other faiths is stellar. Within the past few years, bonds between Rome and Jewish, Catholic Orthodox, Jainists, and other other faiths has been strengthened or forged. I am very proud and hope it continues.

Who Started your Church?

For over 1000 years, There was one Christian Church. Though many heresies grew time after time - the Universal (catholic) Christian Church met and squashed them time after time. It was not until 1054 that the first large split happened in the Christian Church. East & West.

1054 AD - Greek Orthodox Church broke from the Catholic Church. Note - Our core beliefs are nearly identical in both Biblical and Traditional theology.

1570 AD - If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.

1534 AD - If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.

1560 AD - If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.

1582 AD - If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.

1600’s AD - If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.

1605 AD - If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605.

1628 AD - If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.

1744 AD - If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.

1774 AD - If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774.

1829 AD - If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.

1865 AD - If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.

1879 AD - If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.

1900 - Present - If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," “Pentecostal Gospel.” “Holiness Church,” “Pilgrim Holiness Church,” “Jehovah’s Witnesses,” your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century.

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33 AD - If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.

 

[Marie5890]

Thank you for your kind words. Fortunately I was raised in Catholic communities, and most of the Catholics that I know are more like you, Marie, than like … some other posters here.

There certainly is! When I was an LDS missionary, I bawled out my senior companion (the only time I ever broke ranks like that) for being disrespectful to Catholicism. He used to read some anti-Catholic tracts, and I asked him, those people who wrote antiCatholic tracts, do you know what they write about Mormons? And I got kicked off a Mormon blog, Times and Seasons, for telling a Mormon that his disparaging of other viewpoints was an embarassment. I’ve already lasted longer here than I did on Times and Seasons.

I am glad to hear that your experience with Catholics has been mostly positive!
I have very fond memories of my Mormon years. My reason for leaving had nothing to do with the Mormon faithful, just doctrine and history.

But I do understand why many former Mormons are still deeply wounded and havent healed.

 

[Ezekiel_Stone]

Funny…when I was an LDS Missionary, I was chastised by the Mission President for asking positive questions about the Catholic Church.

Did that mission president have a name?

 

[twopekinguys]

posters here should realize that members of LDS in latin america are former catholics.i am sure over 95% of them! LDS leadership should desist from proletyzing catholic countries,as they destroy cultures,traditions,families,communities.One time they infiltrated one huge Catholic Humanitarian org in the Philippines,in the spirit of ecunumism.Their church members enlisted as volunteers,but their evil agenda was exposed later on ,as they were mainly there to proselytize Catholics and not to help the marginalized.

Yes, but the retention rate for mormons in Latin America is abysmal at best.

Recently it was reported that the mormons over reported their membership in Brazil by over 1 million members.

Which tells us, they are running into similar problems on a global basis.

 

[TexanKnight]

I am glad to hear that your experience with Catholics has been mostly positive!
I have very fond memories of my Mormon years. My reason for leaving had nothing to do with the Mormon faithful, just doctrine and history.

But I do understand why many former Mormons are still deeply wounded and havent healed.

Moat of us are no longer hurting. We just follow the Catholic Church ALL the way including preaching against heresy as Jesus did and as our leaders have instructed us.

Those who accept it are approving of it.

 

[TexanKnight]

Yes, but the retention rate for mormons in Latin America is abysmal at best.

Recently it was reported that the mormons over reported their membership in Brazil by over 1 million members.

Which tells us, they are running into similar problems on a global basis.

True.

but when I served as an LDS Missionary in Honduras, we were very rude about Catholics

 

[Marie5890]

posters here should realize that members of LDS in latin america are former catholics.i am sure over 95% of them! LDS leadership should desist from proletyzing catholic countries,as they destroy cultures,traditions,families,communities.One time they infiltrated one huge Catholic Humanitarian org in the Philippines,in the spirit of ecunumism.Their church members enlisted as volunteers,but their evil agenda was exposed later on ,as they were mainly there to proselytize Catholics and not to help the marginalized.

The inactivity rate of converted Latin American Mormons is astronomically high.

 

[Ezekiel_Stone]

I am glad to hear that your experience with Catholics has been mostly positive!
I have very fond memories of my Mormon years. My reason for leaving had nothing to do with the Mormon faithful, just doctrine and history.

But I do understand why many former Mormons are still deeply wounded and havent healed.

My reason for leaving was that I was unwilling to live with the restrictions. Word of Wisdom, etc. And I was sick of living a double life, smoking while under a covenant to not do so, etc. Like Pope Francis says re Celibacy, regardless of whether it’s right, if you promise not to marry then you don’t get married! If you get married then leave the Order that requires celibacy. I wasn’t living up to the covenant so I left it.

 

[Ezekiel_Stone]

True.

but when I served as an LDS Missionary in Honduras, we were very rude about Catholics

Well that’s disgraceful. I’m glad you weren’t my companion. We would not have gotten along. I notice now that you’re Catholic, you are very rude about Mormons. You still have not learned courtesy or charity.

 

[TexanKnight]

Did that mission president have a name?

Of course he did.

 

[TexanKnight]

Well that’s disgraceful. I’m glad you weren’t my companion. We would not have gotten along. I notice now that you’re Catholic, you are very rude about Mormons. You still have not learned courtesy or charity.

There you go,…being judgmental.

How dare you claim to know about my charity.

We were rude about Catholics because we were TOLD to be rude. We were TOLD by LDS leaders to tell the people of Honduras that the Catholic Church was evil and wrong.

Maybe you should go teach LDS leaders to be charitable and courteous

As to now, I am not rude at all. I post truth. Sadly, most mormons feel truth is rude