Mormon for President?

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Well, I don’t think anyone in their right mind would vote for a satan worshipper.

-Tim-
I suppose there are exceptions such as a Satan worshiper or a cult practitioner who engages in human or animal sacrifice. Otherwise, I would hope we have evolved somewhat past the point where religious beliefs, ethnicity, or gender make a difference with respect to the candidate we vote for. Once upon a time, Mormonism was regarded as a cult; some still consider it so. And, if I’m not mistaken, Christianity itself was thought of as a cult by some at its inception. I also recall when having a psychological disorder or cancer would automatically disqualify a person from seeking office in the public mind. It’s still not a plus, depending on the circumstances. Neither is a criminal record. Fortunately, however, times are changing.
 
I’d take Romney over Obama anyday. Romney being a Mormon is obviously against gay marriage and he’s now pro-life, both of those are important. Obviously if a faithful Catholic came along I’d immediately support him (or her!), if it was someone like Bobby I’d be out on the streets campaigning massively. Unfortunately Romney is the best we’ve got.
 
I completely disagree with this quote:
“Faced with the choice of voting for a pro-life polytheist-claiming-to-be-Christian or a pro-abortion whatever, I might well choose to simply sit out that race and refrain from voting for either candidate, because voting either way would mean doing massive damage to America.”
Me too.

With Obama vs. Romney we’d have a choice between:

A “pro-life polytheist-claiming-to-be-Christian”

and a

“pro-abortion whatever” claiming to be a Christian.

It’s childly simplistic to say “voting either way would mean doing massive damage to America.”, and I know he’s just saying that to make a point. But…

We would, (assuming it ends up Romney v Obama) be in a situation where one is going to be the next POTUS. Voting for the one that you think will do the least “damage to America” is the morally correct thing to do, not sit on your butt and lament the situation.
 
Me too.

With Obama vs. Romney we’d have a choice between:

A “pro-life polytheist-claiming-to-be-Christian”

and a

“pro-abortion whatever” claiming to be a Christian.

It’s childly simplistic to say “voting either way would mean doing massive damage to America.”, and I know he’s just saying that to make a point. But…

We would, (assuming it ends up Romney v Obama) be in a situation where one is going to be the next POTUS. Voting for the one that you think will do the least “damage to America” is the morally correct thing to do, not sit on your butt and lament the situation.
It would be childishly simplistic to say that anyone knows the heart and mind of Romney or Obama. There is a tendency to pigeonhole these complex individuals.

If you think that religious devotion alone is qualification to be president, then consider the presidencies of Jimmy Carter, G.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan.
 
It would be childishly simplistic to say that anyone knows the heart and mind of Romney or Obama. There is a tendency to pigeonhole these complex individuals.

If you think that religious devotion alone is qualification to be president, then consider the presidencies of Jimmy Carter, G.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan.
I never understood why so many believe that Reagan was such a religious man. As I mentioned before, his perceived piety was mostly a facade he put up for the religious right. W., I would say, was somewhat more religious. Carter was probably the most devout president we have had in recent memory. Certainly more so than Reagan.
 
I would eagerly vote for a practicing Druid if it meant putting a new person
in the White House.
I’m interested in knowing what the rest of the folks here would think of that. :eek::p:)👍

I don’t think Druids are Pro-life and Anti-Gay Marriage, personally. I could be wrong, of course.

I DO think that if that Druid shared some of my concerns, at least was for religious freedom of conscience FOR EVERYBODY, and promised to not let his religion totally influence his Presidency, I MIGHT consider voting for him/her. Ultimately, I’m not totally sure how I would feel unless the country WAS going through that situation.

As to Romney:
Personally, I don’t consider Mormons to be TRUE Christians, but I would still be willing to vote for him just to get Barry out of the White House. And Romney HAS promised to not emphasize his religion too much if he is elected president. As long as he is for the Truth that Catholics espouse and promises to ttreat ALL Americans the same, I don’t see a problem.
Now, as to his flip-flopping, moderate positions in some issues, and RomneyCare, that’s another thing. Worrisome.

IF he is chosen for the nomination I will vote for him------but to be honest, I really see Romney as the “default” candidate-----personally I would rather see someone like Bachmann or Perry in there.
 
I never understood why so many believe that Reagan was such a religious man. As I mentioned before, his perceived piety was mostly a facade he put up for the religious right. W., I would say, was somewhat more religious. Carter was probably the most devout president we have had in recent memory. Certainly more so than Reagan.
My sense of history is that Reagan was a very smart man and was expert at putting on an affable and simple facade, which people found very appealing. One often hears that a president need not be smart (nor by implication competent), as long as he or she has “good advisers”. I see that as wishful thinking, the fantasy that the “average Joe” could master the intricacies of that office. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that the public image that President Reagan tried to project was one of being a simple guy with simple tastes. His favorite vegetable was ketchup, and he believed in Mom, Guns, Apple Pie, and God, and he didn’t like those “revenuers”. Yet, when you go to the First Ladie’s dress collection at the Smithsonian, and look at pictures of the Reagans, it is clear that they lived in high style.

Jimmy Carter may be the only modern president who actually tried to be a spiritual person while in that office. How can we know though? My sense of President Bush was that his claims to religious piety were a sham, designed for political purposes. But, I met plenty of people who knew him personally who thought otherwise. He would be a case in point that religiosity does not grant competence, or even necessarily a steady moral compass. Other than for his sexual addiction problems, one could make a strong case that President Clinton was a much more effective president, yet there is no sense that he was particularly religious.

History shows Carter’s decision to turn the other cheek when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan to have been weak, but was it morally wrong? President Clinton states that his biggest mistake in office was hesitating to send US troops into Rwanda. Lives were lost during his hesitation. Carter’s decision seems to me to have been influenced by his religious views, and also his handling of the Iranian matter. My reading of it is that he actually declared publicly that he would not leave the White House as long as the hostages were captive. The sentiment of showing solidarity with those unjustly imprisoned is admirable, and I suspect that it reflected his Christian values. Tactically, it seems like it was poor judgement.

I would say that the morality of being a President includes making decisions to more in the OT manner than in an NT manner, if you will allow that comparison, and it is not always easy to know which mode is correct, in the moment. Certainly, history has shown President Kennedy’s forbearance during the Cuban missile event to have been wiser than was ever suspected at the time. It turned out that the Cubans already had missiles in silos. I wonder how much of Kennedy’s decisions were influenced by his Catholic faith. Did he get down on his knees during that period, or was it all coffee and cigarettes in the Situation Room? We don’t know.
 
It would be childishly simplistic to say that anyone knows the heart and mind of Romney or Obama. There is a tendency to pigeonhole these complex individuals.

If you think that religious devotion alone is qualification to be president, then consider the presidencies of Jimmy Carter, G.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan.
I guess we’re all free to use whatever criteria we choose in selecting a candidate, in terms of our freedom as Americans.
 
Let’s all write in Jesus for president. That will be beautiful :).
 
Mitt Romney is a Mormon. They say he is a moderate.
The Mormon church does not believe in the same Jesus that christians do.
I was not aware there was more than one Jesus Christ.
Mormons will still call themselves christians, which they are not.
There are those who will disagree with me, but I’ve always seen the word “Christian” as really a generic term. Anyone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ is, by definition, a Christian. Sometimes, I think when people say “Mormons (or Catholics, for that matter) are not Christians” what they are really saying is “They don’t fit my definition of a Christian.”
For example they teach God had sexual relations with Mary to make the body of Jesus. (Journal of Discourses, Vol.4,pg.218, 1857
Jesus was not able to cleanse us from all of our sins, Journal of Discourse, Vol.3, 247
Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers. Mormon Doctrine, pg.163
The first spirit born in heaven was Jesus. pg.129
God the Father has a body of flesh and bones.
This is just an example of their amazing beliefs.
Let’s see.

Catholics believe that Mary was conceived free of Original Sin.
Catholics believe that Mary was impregnated by divine intervention.
Catholics believe that when they take communion, they are consuming the actual - albeit transubstantiated - body and blood of Christ.
Catholics believe that the Pope is infallible in matters of faith and morals.
Catholics believe in a place called Purgatory.
Catholics pray to others (Mary, the Holy Spirit, the Saints, etc.); not just to God.

This is just an example of their amazing beliefs.

Yet somehow John F. Kennedy, a Catholic, was good enough to get elected 50 years ago when the cynics of the day were making an issue of his religion. I have some issues with Mitt Romney’s politics, but I have no problem with his religious faith as far as being president is concerned.

All in all, the Mormons are good people. We could use more like that in Washington.
 
My sense of history is that Reagan was a very smart man and was expert at putting on an affable and simple facade, which people found very appealing. One often hears that a president need not be smart (nor by implication competent), as long as he or she has “good advisers”. I see that as wishful thinking, the fantasy that the “average Joe” could master the intricacies of that office. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that the public image that President Reagan tried to project was one of being a simple guy with simple tastes. His favorite vegetable was ketchup, and he believed in Mom, Guns, Apple Pie, and God, and he didn’t like those “revenuers”. Yet, when you go to the First Ladie’s dress collection at the Smithsonian, and look at pictures of the Reagans, it is clear that they lived in high style.

Jimmy Carter may be the only modern president who actually tried to be a spiritual person while in that office. How can we know though? My sense of President Bush was that his claims to religious piety were a sham, designed for political purposes. But, I met plenty of people who knew him personally who thought otherwise. He would be a case in point that religiosity does not grant competence, or even necessarily a steady moral compass. Other than for his sexual addiction problems, one could make a strong case that President Clinton was a much more effective president, yet there is no sense that he was particularly religious.

History shows Carter’s decision to turn the other cheek when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan to have been weak, but was it morally wrong? President Clinton states that his biggest mistake in office was hesitating to send US troops into Rwanda. Lives were lost during his hesitation. Carter’s decision seems to me to have been influenced by his religious views, and also his handling of the Iranian matter. My reading of it is that he actually declared publicly that he would not leave the White House as long as the hostages were captive. The sentiment of showing solidarity with those unjustly imprisoned is admirable, and I suspect that it reflected his Christian values. Tactically, it seems like it was poor judgement.

I would say that the morality of being a President includes making decisions to more in the OT manner than in an NT manner, if you will allow that comparison, and it is not always easy to know which mode is correct, in the moment. Certainly, history has shown President Kennedy’s forbearance during the Cuban missile event to have been wiser than was ever suspected at the time. It turned out that the Cubans already had missiles in silos. I wonder how much of Kennedy’s decisions were influenced by his Catholic faith. Did he get down on his knees during that period, or was it all coffee and cigarettes in the Situation Room? We don’t know.
I agree with you that a good president need not be Christian. I mean, my favorite president wasn’t a Christian in the traditional sense (Jefferson). I would never elect someone based on their religious beliefs.
I was not aware there was more than one Jesus Christ.

There are those who will disagree with me, but I’ve always seen the word “Christian” as really a generic term. Anyone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ is, by definition, a Christian. Sometimes, I think when people say “Mormons (or Catholics, for that matter) are not Christians” what they are really saying is “They don’t fit my definition of a Christian.”

Let’s see.

Catholics believe that Mary was conceived free of Original Sin.
Catholics believe that Mary was impregnated by divine intervention.
Catholics believe that when they take communion, they are consuming the actual - albeit transubstantiated - body and blood of Christ.
Catholics believe that the Pope is infallible in matters of faith and morals.
Catholics believe in a place called Purgatory.
Catholics pray to others (Mary, the Holy Spirit, the Saints, etc.); not just to God.

This is just an example of their amazing beliefs.

Yet somehow John F. Kennedy, a Catholic, was good enough to get elected 50 years ago when the cynics of the day were making an issue of his religion. I have some issues with Mitt Romney’s politics, but I have no problem with his religious faith as far as being president is concerned.

All in all, the Mormons are good people. We could use more like that in Washington.
I agree with you.
 
Aikin is essentially right but the issue is not confusing people, it is loss of salvation.

***To elect a Mormon to the American presidency would, to my mind, be a disaster.

It would not only spur Mormon recruitment efforts in numerous ways, it would mainstreamize the religion in a way that would deeply confuse the American public about the central doctrine of the Christian faith.***

The election of a mormon will cause Christians to seriously consider the mormon faith and so has the potential to cause Christians, including many Catholics, to move further away from salvation rather than closer to it.

Living in suburban Atlanta, the thought of a Southern Baptist turned Catholic is just too juicy to pass up.

***Gingrich came from a Lutheran family. However, he was not a practicing Lutheran, and upon entering the academia, and subsequently politics, he began to attend service with his colleagues who were predominantly Southern Baptists, and he became one by default. However, at the turn of the century, he began to immerse himself with history of Catholic Church, quite possibly influenced by his wife Callista, and he was quoted saying, “Slowly, over a decade, the centrality of the Eucharist in the Catholic Mass became more and more obvious to me.”

The final push however arrived in the form of Pope Benedict XVI during a visit to the country in 2008. Gingrich revealed that “the joyful and radiating presence of the Holy Father was a moment of confirmation about the many things I have been thinking and experiencing over the last several years”. He converted to Catholicism the very same evening. ***

I don’t know about “Converting that same evening” but like I said, living here in the deep south, it makes my mouth water.

-Tim-
 
Aikin is essentially right but the issue is not confusing people, it is loss of salvation.

***To elect a Mormon to the American presidency would, to my mind, be a disaster.

It would not only spur Mormon recruitment efforts in numerous ways, it would mainstreamize the religion in a way that would deeply confuse the American public about the central doctrine of the Christian faith.***

The election of a mormon will cause Christians to seriously consider the mormon faith and so has the potential to cause Christians, including many Catholics, to move further away from salvation rather than closer to it.

Living in suburban Atlanta, the thought of a Southern Baptist turned Catholic is just too juicy to pass up.

***Gingrich came from a Lutheran family. However, he was not a practicing Lutheran, and upon entering the academia, and subsequently politics, he began to attend service with his colleagues who were predominantly Southern Baptists, and he became one by default. However, at the turn of the century, he began to immerse himself with history of Catholic Church, quite possibly influenced by his wife Callista, and he was quoted saying, “Slowly, over a decade, the centrality of the Eucharist in the Catholic Mass became more and more obvious to me.”

The final push however arrived in the form of Pope Benedict XVI during a visit to the country in 2008. Gingrich revealed that “the joyful and radiating presence of the Holy Father was a moment of confirmation about the many things I have been thinking and experiencing over the last several years”. He converted to Catholicism the very same evening. ***

I don’t know about “Converting that same evening” but like I said, living here in the deep south, it makes my mouth water.

-Tim-
If it becomes a choice between Romney and Obama, the disaster would be another four years of this president. Is that what you want?
Gingrich is not going to be the Republican candidate; maybe Romney will appoint him as ambassador to the Vatican.
 
Mitt Romney is a Mormon. They say he is a moderate.
The Mormon church does not believe in the same Jesus that christians do. Mormons will still call themselves christians, which they are not.
For example they teach God had sexual relations with Mary to make the body of Jesus. (Journal of Discourses, Vol.4,pg.218, 1857
Jesus was not able to cleanse us from all of our sins, Journal of Discourse, Vol.3, 247
Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers. Mormon Doctrine, pg.163
The first spirit born in heaven was Jesus. pg.129
God the Father has a body of flesh and bones.

This is just an example of their amazing beliefs.

Before you decide who to vote for, check out the Mormon doctrine, then decide.

bluelake
So? We all know JFK was a Catholic… and we all know he was a cheating womanizer. A person can be a good person and a good president, regardless of religious denomination.
 
Aikin is essentially right but the issue is not confusing people, it is loss of salvation.

***To elect a Mormon to the American presidency would, to my mind, be a disaster.

It would not only spur Mormon recruitment efforts in numerous ways, it would mainstreamize the religion in a way that would deeply confuse the American public about the central doctrine of the Christian faith.***

The election of a mormon will cause Christians to seriously consider the mormon faith and so has the potential to cause Christians, including many Catholics, to move further away from salvation rather than closer to it.

Living in suburban Atlanta, the thought of a Southern Baptist turned Catholic is just too juicy to pass up.

***Gingrich came from a Lutheran family. However, he was not a practicing Lutheran, and upon entering the academia, and subsequently politics, he began to attend service with his colleagues who were predominantly Southern Baptists, and he became one by default. However, at the turn of the century, he began to immerse himself with history of Catholic Church, quite possibly influenced by his wife Callista, and he was quoted saying, “Slowly, over a decade, the centrality of the Eucharist in the Catholic Mass became more and more obvious to me.”

The final push however arrived in the form of Pope Benedict XVI during a visit to the country in 2008. Gingrich revealed that “the joyful and radiating presence of the Holy Father was a moment of confirmation about the many things I have been thinking and experiencing over the last several years”. He converted to Catholicism the very same evening. ***

I don’t know about “Converting that same evening” but like I said, living here in the deep south, it makes my mouth water.

-Tim-
I couldn’t disagree more. For starters, the only thing Mr. Gingrich could get appointed to is, perhaps, ambassador to Tiffany’s.

The idea that the religion of a president would “deeply confuse the American public about the central doctrine of the Christian faith” is just unacceptable. For starters, this would mean that we could never have a Jewish president, which would be wrong. People look to the presidency to fix the economy and provide for the defense of the country and the safety of the population – not theology. People are looking to the White House for jobs, not religious doctrine. Did people flee the churches under Reagan, who was widely known not to be a church-goer? Did conversions to Catholicism surge under JFK? Did the Quakers pick up a lot of members under Hoover?
 
Aikin is essentially right but the issue is not confusing people, it is loss of salvation.

***To elect a Mormon to the American presidency would, to my mind, be a disaster.

It would not only spur Mormon recruitment efforts in numerous ways, it would mainstreamize the religion in a way that would deeply confuse the American public about the central doctrine of the Christian faith.***

The election of a mormon will cause Christians to seriously consider the mormon faith and so has the potential to cause Christians, including many Catholics, to move further away from salvation rather than closer to it.

Living in suburban Atlanta, the thought of a Southern Baptist turned Catholic is just too juicy to pass up.

***Gingrich came from a Lutheran family. However, he was not a practicing Lutheran, and upon entering the academia, and subsequently politics, he began to attend service with his colleagues who were predominantly Southern Baptists, and he became one by default. However, at the turn of the century, he began to immerse himself with history of Catholic Church, quite possibly influenced by his wife Callista, and he was quoted saying, “Slowly, over a decade, the centrality of the Eucharist in the Catholic Mass became more and more obvious to me.”

The final push however arrived in the form of Pope Benedict XVI during a visit to the country in 2008. Gingrich revealed that “the joyful and radiating presence of the Holy Father was a moment of confirmation about the many things I have been thinking and experiencing over the last several years”. He converted to Catholicism the very same evening. ***

I don’t know about “Converting that same evening” but like I said, living here in the deep south, it makes my mouth water.

-Tim-
According to this reasoning, I guess Catholics should also be fearful of Evangelical Protestants such as Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann. And, Heaven forbid, we should ever have a Jewish, Muslim, or Hindu President. Or a woman, which might generate a large number of sex reassignment surgeries.
 
Let’s all write in Jesus for president. That will be beautiful :).
  1. He was not a US citizen 😦
  2. He was not old enough at death to be eligible, according to most sources
  3. I’m sure someone will say that having died makes you ineligible for office 🤷
ICXC NIKA
 
I don’t know about you all, but I’d rather have a pro-life atheist as president than a pro-choice Catholic. So far as I can see, religion matters only in the way it affects someone’s decision making. Romney in a heartbeat.
 
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