Mormon missionaries vandalize and desecrate Catholic Shrine

[melmac]

Well I served as a Missionary… I was spit on, had beer bottles thrown at me, called words starting with “F” and ending with “aggot” and given the finger many different times. Too bad that I don’t have photos of that “allegedly” happening to me because that would make a great court case. I don’t know what denomination they were, but does it matter?
… we all have something in common. Our Love for Christ. Different beliefs, but same Brother… Ya, that sure is turning the other cheek, much like the time I turned the other cheek to wipe it off because it was covered in plegm from the nice (probably) Church going man that decided he’d had enough of me walking on the sidewalk in my shirt, tie and black nametag with our Lord’s name on it…

Religions aside the behaviour your describing is appalling and shows more of the mentality of the offenders themselves. Sorry to say some people are rude, ignorant and disgusting. Their behaviour can’t be condoned. This is about people behaving badly toward other people regardless of religious beliefs.

We had an actress here well into her 70’s who played a busybody in a long running soap. This show was loved so much people sent flowers and cards for characters birthdays, and funerals. This elderly lady got to the stage where she couldnt walk down the street for people shouting abuse at her and spitting on her. Unable to separate the fact that she was playing a role and that she was not the person they saw on tele.
And I doubt he was a “church going man” he certainly wasn’t “nice”.
And whyme do you honestly think no one would care about this posts treatment because he isn’t catholic

 

[Jerusha]

Religions aside the behaviour your describing is appalling and shows more of the mentality of the offenders themselves. Sorry to say some people are rude, ignorant and disgusting. Their behaviour can’t be condoned. This is about people behaving badly toward other people regardless of religious beliefs…And whyme do you honestly think no one would care about this posts treatment because he isn’t catholic

I believe that CMAC encountered the kind of abuse he reported, and I find that kind of behavior reprehensible. That kind of rudeness only makes the situation worse.

If I were to see LDS missionaries today, once having identified them, I would quickly walk the other direction. At one time, being stiffly polite was my standard. That didn’t work.

And if I have been excessively rude in the past, I apologize. You must understand where the bitterness comes from.

 

[melmac]

Ive been told of verbal abuse more than anything else, when missionaries invade peoples privacy. With stories like them putting their feet in the door so it can’t be closed etc which makes people feel justified at getting angry. Occasionally a dog might be let out. The person on a mission feels they have right on their side while the one on the recieving end may feel they’ve knocked off work and deserve to spend their free time as they see fit without having their privacy disturbed. Lack of common courtesy and respect for others.(on both sides) The closest I came to getting angry was at my Nans wake when it was interupted by 2 missionaries asking me if i believed in God. Poor timing on their part but completely unintentional.I just told them what they were interupting and could they leave. Emotions run high some people can control them a little better than others.

 

[Matthew1980]

As a former Mormon myself you have to realize that Mormons see themselves as the only True Church of Christ and all other religions are incomplete/false and its followers lost and sometimes to be pitied. Most LDS missionaries are very respectful but there have been additional instances of LDS missionaries mocking Catholics. There is even a saying in Mormon circles that a Mormon male has more priesthood power in his pinky finger than the Pope.

 

[xulu]

Mormons are a nonChristian religion. What do you expect?

I joined this because it appeared that everybody was quite nice, and you decide to paint me with a non-Christian brush?
I wasn’t even a member for an hour when you said this.

I will be the first to say though, there are some who could use a good lesson in what it means to be Christlike in my church, but I think that is true in all churches. You have the good, then the ones who ruin it for everybody.

 

[melmac]

I get what your saying. I’ve had some experiences with the Lds recently and i was told i was pitied regularly. It’s not an easy thing to take. I guess I’ve always thought that was a given that every church/religion believed they were the one true one. It certainly clouds your judgements and governs your actions. that in no way suggests people don’t know right from wrong like the young fellas that started this brew ha ha.

 

[fatima1917]

I joined this because it appeared that everybody was quite nice, and you decide to paint me with a non-Christian brush?
I wasn’t even a member for an hour when you said this.

I will be the first to say though, there are some who could use a good lesson in what it means to be Christlike in my church, but I think that is true in all churches. You have the good, then the ones who ruin it for everybody.

If you are looking for political correctness on this forum you will be sorely disappointed. People are going to speak their minds within limits. Get over it.

 

[LaMar]

I joined this because it appeared that everybody was quite nice, and you decide to paint me with a non-Christian brush?
I wasn’t even a member for an hour when you said this.

I will be the first to say though, there are some who could use a good lesson in what it means to be Christlike in my church, but I think that is true in all churches. You have the good, then the ones who ruin it for everybody.

Hi Xulu,

Many of the members of this forum are of the same psychological type we remember from our youth in “Zion”. Zealous, irrational, hateful and arrogant. They don’t make up the majority here, but they are the most vocal.

I’d encourage you to stay and watch. It’s a good lesson in intolerance and has given me some perspective on just how we’re perceived by outsiders. The Catholics seem to play all the same psychological games that we grew up with.

Best,

LaMar

 

[LaMar]

I guess I’ve always thought that was a given that every church/religion believed they were the one true one. It certainly clouds your judgements and governs your actions.

That’s what I used to think too. Most religions have a tolerant, modernist streak. Catholics and Mormons seem to do a good job suppressing theirs.

 

[ibkc]

I joined this because it appeared that everybody was quite nice, and you decide to paint me with a non-Christian brush?

The thing is, it’s a simple statement of fact. Mormons do not believe in the same things as Christians. Jesus is not God to you; you are henotheistic (which is a polite way of saying pagan); Christian creeds are called “abominations” by Mormons. You guys deliberately set yourselves apart from Christianity, now you guys wonder why people don’t consider you Christian. Really, you can’t have it both ways.

 

[fatima1917]

Hi Xulu,

Many of the members of this forum are of the same psychological type we remember from our youth in “Zion”. Zealous, irrational, hateful and arrogant. They don’t make up the majority here, but they are the most vocal.

I’d encourage you to stay and watch. It’s a good lesson in intolerance and has given me some perspective on just how we’re perceived by outsiders. The Catholics seem to play all the same psychological games that we grew up with.

Best,

LaMar

Intolerance? You want to see intolerance, here it is:

rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/mar/09/parish-votes-whether-seek-charges-against-mormons/

Don’t come onto to this site and start talking about intolerance. When is the last time a Catholic came into a mormon religious site and desecrated it? I would never go into a JW, mormon, Adventist religious sites/buildings and do such things. I have more respect for their religious sensibilities and respect for them who are made in the image of God. In my over 50 years of being a Catholic I have never heard a sermon denigrating any other religion. It seems that mormons make a living out of denigrating other peoples religions.

 

[xulu]

If you are looking for political correctness on this forum you will be sorely disappointed. People are going to speak their minds within limits. Get over it.

Very good- I dislike P/C anyway
I have my own personal issues with my church which started when I got divorced, I am not sure if there is a separate forum for that.

I found this site through Google when I was trying to find out about what happened in Colorado, and it was also through them that I found that the Mormon church has provided the names of those involved in the desecration to law enforcement.
I do know that the church terminated the mission of the one who was still on his mission, and all missionaries have been pulled from that area.
As for the “3 Stooges” they could very well be excommunicated from the church.
I think just making an effort to look for news instead of assuming nothing is being done is the best thing to do.

I also want to say that I have personally heard leaders of the church I belong to teach tolerance of other faiths- and they did specifically mention the Catholic Church, probably because of some nastiness at the local levels of the church.

Recently there was an incident of a man defecating outside the entrance of Reno Mormon Temple… how disgusting is that? It’s just as disgusting in my mind wherever it would have happened, but what amount of hate would darken any soul to do something like that?

 

[Jerusha]

Ive been told of verbal abuse more than anything else, when missionaries invade peoples privacy. With stories like them putting their feet in the door so it can’t be closed etc which makes people feel justified at getting angry.

That is why I said excessively rude. psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Boundaries
Many LDS people don’t understand this simple concept. Sometimes it is necessry to be rude in return. They don’t seem to understand simple body language. Here rudeness should get more subtle. Smilies are very useful.

 

[Jerusha]

Very good- I dislike P/C anyway
I have my own personal issues with my church which started when I got divorced, I am not sure if there is a separate forum for that.
forum.newordermormon.org/ may be the best place for you to vent about something like that.

I also want to say that I have personally heard leaders of the church I belong to teach tolerance of other faiths- and they did specifically mention the Catholic Church, probably because of some nastiness at the local levels of the church.

It sounds like your faith community is quite progressive.

Recently there was an incident of a man defecating outside the entrance of Reno Mormon Temple… how disgusting is that?

Rest assured, it was not a Catholic.who did that.

 

[xulu]

What I said:
Recently there was an incident of a man defecating outside the entrance of Reno Mormon Temple… how disgusting is that?

Rest assured, it was not a Catholic.who did that.

Even if it was, I would consider him wayward and not indicative of the entire church.

Thanks for the link

 

[why_me]

As a former Mormon myself you have to realize that Mormons see themselves as the only True Church of Christ and all other religions are incomplete/false and its followers lost and sometimes to be pitied. Most LDS missionaries are very respectful but there have been additional instances of LDS missionaries mocking Catholics. There is even a saying in Mormon circles that a Mormon male has more priesthood power in his pinky finger than the Pope.

I can forgive the missionaries. As I have said, the lds have 50,000 missionaries which turns over every two years. That is a lot of young men and women running around the world. Things will happen especially when their age is considered. I am sure that young mormon missionaries who may be just a tad immature have said such things. But when compared with what is said about mormonism and mormons on this forum, I consider the missionaries immaturity nothing in comparison to the rude hostile attitude of some catholics who write about the lds church.

 

[why_me]

Intolerance? You want to see intolerance, here it is:

rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/mar/09/parish-votes-whether-seek-charges-against-mormons/

Don’t come onto to this site and start talking about intolerance. When is the last time a Catholic came into a mormon religious site and desecrated it? I would never go into a JW, mormon, Adventist religious sites/buildings and do such things. I have more respect for their religious sensibilities and respect for them who are made in the image of God. In my over 50 years of being a Catholic I have never heard a sermon denigrating any other religion. It seems that mormons make a living out of denigrating other peoples religions.

I am sure that catholics have also acted foolishly. Since you never heard a sermon denigrating any other religion from a priest, what do you have to say to catholic answers for saying that mormonism is a threat and then denigrating it?

 

[why_me]

The thing is, it’s a simple statement of fact. Mormons do not believe in the same things as Christians. Jesus is not God to you; you are henotheistic (which is a polite way of saying pagan); Christian creeds are called “abominations” by Mormons. You guys deliberately set yourselves apart from Christianity, now you guys wonder why people don’t consider you Christian. Really, you can’t have it both ways.

Do you consider the JW’s christian? Do you consider the SDA’s chrisitan? Do you consider the Church of Christ, Science christian? Probably not.

 

[Writer]

I agree. The SL Trib got into some legal trouble, years ago, for reporting criminal activity, where names were taken and published as the people doing the crime. As it turns out, the people the Trib named as perpetrating the crime were found innocent in court. They sued the Trib and won. Since then, the SL Trib always have “alleged” in there, as do the local news stations.

Since the perpetrators admitted it to themselves in the photos, perhaps the phrase “self-described” might be substituted for “alleged”…

 

[Writer]

Do you consider the JW’s christian? Do you consider the SDA’s chrisitan? Do you consider the Church of Christ, Science christian? Probably not.

It would depend, for instance, on whether those persons believed in the Trinity, or not. It’s not our job to single out individuals and make statements as to whether they will be saved, or not. That’s God’s domain alone. It is our duty as Christians, however, to courteously point out the errors of other religious traditions–from LDS to Jehova Witness. As far as I’m concerned, Seventh Day Adventists may belong in a different category altogether, but I only have studied their theology in a couple areas–e.g. Sabbath concerns and their idea of the “wiping-out” or utter elimination of the damned souls.