Mormon missionaries vandalize and desecrate Catholic Shrine

[Dauphin]

It may be a mockery of the Catholic Mass; but it is not a mockery of the sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus was not sacrificed on an altar. He was crucified or hung on a tree.

The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the Sacrifice of Christ. Being at the foot of the altar is being at the foot of calvary. It is His Body and Blood offered for the salvation of all the world.

Without intending to offend our Catholic friends, I would say it is the Mass that is a “sacrilegious act”.

Oh… I see. Spit in my eye and tell me not to be offended? That’s an interesting approach.

The Catholic Mass is a literal sacrifice of Jesus Christ. The priest literally sacrifices Jesus Christ on the altar, and thus magically transforms the bread and wine into the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ. That is what I consider a sacrilegious act. Jesus suffered once, and died once. He need not be sacrificed nor die again (Hebrews 9:24-28). But that is what the Catholic priest does during Mass. I would say that is a grossly sacrilegious act.

The Mass is the re-presentation of Christ’s eternal sacrifice which happened once and for all time. After spending so much time here, you should know that.

I have discussed this with Catholics before; and they say that the Mass is not a sacrifice!

Well, then guess what? They’re wrong! It’s called the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass for a reason.

Well, according to the Catechism it is:

Part 2, Section 2, Chapter 1, Article 3, SubSection 5, Heading 21367 The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: “The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different.” "And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and offered in an unbloody manner. . . this sacrifice is truly propitiatory."Part 2, Section 2, Chapter 1, Article 3, SubSection 61382 The Mass is at the same time, and inseparably, the sacrificial memorial in which the sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated and the sacred banquet of communion with the Lord’s body and blood.Part 2, Section 2, Chapter 1, Article 3, SubSection 6, Heading 11388 . . . As the Second Vatican Council says: "That more perfect form of participation in the Mass whereby the faithful, after the priest’s communion, receive the Lord’s Body from the same sacrifice, is warmly recommended."Part 2, Section 2, Chapter 3, Article 7, SubSection 5, Heading 21651 . . . They should be encouraged to listen to the Word of God, to attend the Sacrifice of the Mass, to persevere in prayer, . . .

Amen! Amen! Amen!

Which Divine law? I think the sacrifice of the Mass is against Divine law.

The same Divine law that forbids all forms of Sacrilege, and demands worship be given to God - not insult and mockery.

 

[peary]

Zerinus is just like you guys except that he is mormon. As you all whip the lds church, Zerinus whips the catholic church.

He ought to whip his intellect.

I think that the Mass is a beautiful act of devotiion to Christ. I just attended a pre-vatican II Mass (Trindentine) and it was also beautiful. I like the Trindentine Mass better than the more modern Mass.

However, I say: Let Mormons worship as they wish and let catholics worship as they wish. And as far as the shrine is concerned: it was a mistake for these missionaries to act improperly. But such are the imperfections of human beings. In the news, it was reported that a young Finnish tourist on Easter Island was arrested for chopping off a piece of ear of a ancient statue. He was 25 years old. He wanted it as a tourist souvenir. People do stupid things all the time. Such is being human.

Stupid doesn’t make it.

 

[xulu]

Without intending to offend our Catholic friends, I would say it is the Mass that is a “sacrilegious act”. The Catholic Mass is a literal sacrifice of Jesus Christ. The priest literally sacrifices Jesus Christ on the altar, and thus magically transforms the bread and wine into the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ. That is what I consider a sacrilegious act. Jesus suffered once, and died once. He need not be sacrificed nor die again (Hebrews 9:24-28). But that is what the Catholic priest does during Mass. I would say that is a grossly sacrilegious act.

Away we go off the subject yet again…

Catholic priests don’t go around desecrating the sacred places of other denominations. Get real.

I agree whole heartedly. I pointed that out to my dad. Can anyone picture a Catholic Priest painting a swastika on a Holocaust Memorial?
I think not! Neither does he.
The sad truth is, Mormons have struggled with trying to fit in with mainstream Christianity for some time- these three bozos in Colorado have set it back generations, exposed a serious supremacist attitude within the church, and have personally made me take another look at who I really am.
I have made changes to my profile to reflect that.
Who looked more Christlike in this situation? Bishop Arthur Tafoya of Pueblo for asking forgiveness in the face of utter disrespect.
I know it was genuine and not a game of “oneupmanship.”
I know some LDS would hate me saying that, but I call it the way I see it.

 

[xulu]

Stupid doesn’t make it.

“You Can’t Fix Stupid.”

 

[LaMar]

Zerinus is just like you guys except that he is mormon. As you all whip the lds church, Zerinus whips the catholic church.

People with psychological problems can often be found pointing out the faults of others. Displacement is the game of a simpleton.

Glad we agree that apologetics are simply different sides of the same filthy coin. Given that neither of us finds that worthless currency the going commodity, I really am interested in the phenomenon of a Mormon cloistering herself with Catholic nuns.

No bee-ess, it’s pretty interesting. Can you give me some insight into your current situation? You hang out with the FAIR people on the internet, and pray with the sisterhood after hours? Seems like a fascinating synthesis.

Lest you misunderstand, there’ll be no judgment from me. I think you’re most likely sincere. If you’re a Catholic Mormon I’m fine with it. Doesn’t seem any more inexplicable than being a “Christian Jew” anyway. I just want to understand it all. What is it about each tradition that fills the gaps of the other?

 

[zerinus]

The same Divine law that forbids all forms of Sacrilege, and demands worship be given to God - not insult and mockery.

In that case the Mass must be “against the divine law,” because it is a sacriligious act. It sacrifices Christ anew every time you go to Mass, which is a perversion of the biblical doctrine.

zerinus

 

[zerinus]

Stupid doesn’t make it.

How dumb can you get!

zerinus

 

[peary]

In that case the Mass must be “against the divine law,” because it is a sacriligious act. It sacrifices Christ anew every time you go to Mass, which is a perversion of the biblical doctrine.

zerinus

Zerinus - I doubt that you’ll ever “get it” with such tunnel vision on your part.

 

[RebeccaJ]

People with psychological problems can often be found pointing out the faults of others. Displacement is the game of a simpleton.

Glad we agree that apologetics are simply different sides of the same filthy coin. Given that neither of us finds that worthless currency the going commodity, I really am interested in the phenomenon of a Mormon cloistering herself with Catholic nuns.

No bee-ess, it’s pretty interesting. Can you give me some insight into your current situation? You hang out with the FAIR people on the internet, and pray with the sisterhood after hours? Seems like a fascinating synthesis.

Lest you misunderstand, there’ll be no judgment from me. I think you’re most likely sincere. If you’re a Catholic Mormon I’m fine with it. Doesn’t seem any more inexplicable than being a “Christian Jew” anyway. I just want to understand it all. What is it about each tradition that fills the gaps of the other?

Hedging his bets maybe. Makes me think of a movie line from “Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?”

***Delmar O’Donnell: Oh son, for that you sold your everlasting soul?

Tommy Johnson: Well, I wasn’t usin’ it.*
**

 

[Dauphin]

In that case the Mass must be “against the divine law,” because it is a sacriligious act. It sacrifices Christ anew every time you go to Mass, which is a perversion of the biblical doctrine.

zerinus

HA! People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones!

If there every was a perversion of Biblical doctrine, it’s Mormonism. I still have yet to find in the Bible mention of goddess wives, or multiple gods, or magic underpants, or the return of Christ to Missouri.

 

[ibkc]

People with psychological problems can often be found pointing out the faults of others.

Physician, heal thyself!

 

[LaMar]

Hedging his bets maybe. Makes me think of a movie line from “Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?”

***Delmar O’Donnell: Oh son, for that you sold your everlasting soul?

Tommy Johnson: Well, I wasn’t usin’ it.***

That’s what I thought at first too…but I won’t presume to speculate on why me’s motivations.

 

[zerinus]

HA! People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones!

If there every was a perversion of Biblical doctrine, it’s Mormonism. I still have yet to find in the Bible mention of goddess wives, or multiple gods, or magic underpants, or the return of Christ to Missouri.

Mormonism is a new dispensation of the gospel. It contains additional scripture and further knowledge and revelation from the Lord. We are not dependent on the Bible alone for our doctrine. Looks like you missed that one.

zerinus

 

[Dauphin]

Mormonism is a new dispensation of the gospel. It contains additional scripture and further knowledge and revelation from the Lord. We are not dependent on the Bible alone for our doctrine. Looks like you missed that one.

zerinus

You’re not dependent on the Bible? You got that right!

Even if the Bible contradicts these ludicrous Mormon inventions, it doesn’t matter to you!

 

[zerinus]

You’re not dependent on the Bible? You got that right!

Even if the Bible contradicts these ludicrous Mormon inventions, it doesn’t matter to you!

The Bible doesn’t contradict what we believe. We just have more knowledge revealed to us than what can be obtained from reading the Bible alone. That is not a contradiction.

zerinus

 

[majick275]

what’s funny is that LDS doctrine and practices contradict the BoM!!!

of course they get new revelations in the D&C to explain that and then they get even newer ones in that to change it…

 

[Dauphin]

The Bible doesn’t contradict what we believe. We just have more knowledge revealed to us than what can be obtained from reading the Bible alone. That is not a contradiction.

zerinus

What nonsense. I place Mormon beliefs on the same plane as scientology. In fact, if Joe Smith had invented a story about Lord Xenu dumping souls into volcanoes, that’s exactly what Mormons would believe today. It just so happened that he came up with another - and equally ludicrous - religion.

The contradictions between Mormon beliefs and Apostolic beliefs is so obvious it isn’t even worth discussing. We may as well be discussing the flying spaghetti monster, for all the good it will do. Is there a mind-dulling gas enveloping Utah or something?

 

[zerinus]

What nonsense. I place Mormon beliefs on the same plane as scientology. . . .

What you do or think is irelevant and inconsequential to anybody. Truth is not dependent on what you think of it.

zerinus

 

[RebeccaJ]

:coffeeread::yawn:

Are we there yet?

 

[LaMar]

:coffeeread::yawn:

Are we there yet?

LOL!