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i know what you mean. this afternoon i was able to speak with a young mormoan woman aoubt our Catholic faith, and gave her a rosary. it was a very delightful moment, and i was exceedingly gratefful for it.
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yes, it does.
for me, it was a moment of blessed opportunity rather than a meeting of the type zerines describes with his young “catholic” couple. of course you and i are not professionals. we just love the Lord and share Him at every opportunity. the way Z described his meeting sounded like insurance slaesmen being monitored by a supervisor.
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PaulDupre
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That’s nice. For those who don’t know, the full-time missionaries occasionally take a young Aaronic priest out with them, but only when they teach a really “golden” family. The goal is to get the kid excited about serving a mission himself someday.
Maybe when you grow up, Z, you will serve a foreign mission. I hope so. I will be a good dose of reality for you.
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not at all, she was born and raised Catholic in a good Catholic family. she knows exactly what it is and what it is for. it bore no explaination from me, but ratheer a reminder of the faith that she abandoned and may again find among the reeds with a little help from loving hands rather than team sales.Mormons don’t use rosaries. She wouldn’t have known what to do with it unless you explained it to her.
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majick275
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i got the feeling that z is a brit so a foreign mission for him might be new jersey or ohio. or maybe even …colorado… i’m sure he’d love it. prolly be a zl and dl upon return go straight the EQ presidency.That’s nice. For those who don’t know, the full-time missionaries occasionally take a young Aaronic priest out with them, but only when they teach a really “golden” family. The goal is to get the kid excited about serving a mission himself someday.
Maybe when you grow up, Z, you will serve a foreign mission. I hope so. I will be a good dose of reality for you.
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zerinus
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I accompanied the missionaries at their own invitation. They were in charge, not me. They are encouraged to occasionally take a regular Church member with them when they are teaching investigators so that they can come into contact with ordinary Church members as well, no just with the missionaries. They know I have a strong testimony, and love to go out with them, so they tend to ask me more often than most. But they are the ones who are in charge of the situation, not me. I just support them with my testimony of the Chruch.
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Indyann
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I will pray for this “lovely young Catholic couple and their chilren”. If they are fictional, please, God, apply the prayers to Zerinus, that You may let the scales be removed from his eyes.
This is exactly why the Mormon Threat campaigne was started. It is not too late to make a donation.
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zerinus
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Well, if she has become a Mormon, then she has learned what it means to worship God “in spirit and in truth;” and the rosary will not hold much attraction for her any more:
John 4:
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: . . .
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
We (and you) don’t need special props to worship God. Props are for those of “little faith”.
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Dauphin
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… the rosary is a set of prayers. It’s not a “prop”. The “prop” you refer to is designed as a guide. It’s not essential to praying the rosary.
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majick275
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i’m wondering if all of the various items required for temple endowments are considered “props”.
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zerinus
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I assure you it was not fictional. But I am sure your prayers will be heard, and the scales will fall from their eyes to see the truth of Mormonism!
Well, it ain’t workin is it!
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zerinus
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We don’t have set prayers in our Church. We pray from the heart, as the Spirit guide us. We believe that is what the Lord meant by praying “in spirit and in truth”.
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J_C
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this is a person for whom the conversion was oneof convenience rahter than of heart, and was only in the past few months. we see her maybe once a weeks, and it never fails that some opportunity to remind her of her Cathilic faith doesn’t present itself. our home is full of reminders of course, but we don’t badger her in any way. today a rosary came in the mail while she was visiting, it was the perfect opportunity to say, honey somebody sent you a rosary, oh i’ve already got one, ooh look at the nice crucifix and the Miraculous Medal on it, etc.
“prop” is in this case accurate i would say, because it is a sign of the faith, not the rosary itself, which is a meditation upon the life of Jesus and Mary. i would say that if this lady had had a strong testimony of the Catholic Faith then she would never have taken a detour from it for the mere sake of a mormoan boy. again z you reveal a lack of knowledge about Catholic practice, such as your misuse ofthe Scriptures as if they shame the Rosary. under no circumstances is the Rosary objectionable to Scripture or vice vica.
yet time is on our side, and though a young person takes a wroing road there are other roads ahead which lead back to the right road, and of course we hope to be there to give directions when the times are right. I mean no offense to your religion, I believe it has some pieces of Christian truth.
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zerinus
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The Endowment is a ritual. It is a sacrament, like baptism; and like all sacraments, it must have a “form” and a “matter,” to use Catholic terminology. That is a different thing from praying the rosary.
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RebeccaJ
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For the play.
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majick275
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unless it’s important then you DO have set prayers that must be prayed exactly. (ordinances)
Catholics also pray from the heart. we do however give great weight to Jesus words on the subject.
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majick275
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actually LDS doctrine is that is NOT a ritual but an ordinance. I’ll accept the comparison to catholic sacraments as that is about as close as we come on the subject. I take it from your response that you have not yet received your endowment.
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zerinus
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If you are right that she has joined our Church for the sake of the boy, I would sympathize with you. That is not the reason why we want people to join our Church. But I am not so sure about that as you seem to be. Changing religions is not something that people would do lightly. My guess is that she probably has a stronger testimony of the Church than you would like to believe. And frankly it is insulting to tell someone that they have joined a religion “for the sake of the boy,” when in their own hearts they know that they have a stronger conviction.
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