Mormon Patriarchal Blessing?

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but I have read reliably that Lorenzo Snow appeared in a vision after his death to someone and informed him that he had fulfilled those assignements as a spirit in the spirit world.

zerinus
Well, now. Zerinus read “reliably” that Snow appeared in a vision to “someone” and informed him…

Who was it said, There’s a sucker born every minute?

You know, Zerinus, if you were inside the True Church, those visions could be submitted to proper ecclesiastical authorities for investigation and confirmation. Visions and apparitions happen within Christianity as well as Mormonism. The difference is that with the Mormons, everything is verified by burning bosoms and a tendency to believe whatever is told them. With Catholics, there is an apparatus that puts things to the test. The one demands that the mind be put to sleep. The other, that the mind be fully active and in control.
 
Let’s start with the bolded sections, Did Lorenzo Snow do any of the things that Joseph Smith Sr. claim he would do?
I did not verify that this was, in fact, Lorenzo Snow’s patriarchal blessing, but, assuming it was, I will do my best to respond to your question as to whether Lorenzo Snow did any of these things:

Thou shalt have power to translate thyself from one planet to another. And power to go to the moon, if thou desire.

To my knowledge, he did not exercise this power.

There shall not be a mightier man on earth than thou

During his lifetime, I know of no mightier man on earth.

Thou shalt restore the sick; the diseased shall send to thee their aprons and handkerchiefs, and by thy touch, their owners shall be made whole.

There were many instances when he was instrumental in healing the sick. I know of no instances when the diseased sent their aprons and handkerchiefs.

If expedient, the dead shall rise, and come forth at thy bidding – even those who have long slept in the dust.

I know of no instance when it was expedient for him to raise someone from the dead.

Thou shalt …… live to the age of Moses, yet shall not be old. Age shall not come upon thee. The vigor of thy mind shall not be abated, and the vigor of thy body shall be preserved.

He lived to a ripe old age and was vigorous in mind and body to the end.

Thou shalt have power to stand in the flesh and see Jesus Christ come in the clouds. No power on earth shall be able to take thy life.

He did not exercise this power. He died of natural causes.

P.S. I thought you were going to ask me about this sentence, but you didn’t, so we’ll save it for another time:
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Thou art the seed and lineage of Abraham thru the loins of Joseph and Ephraim and thou art entitled to these blessings.**
 
Really, now, Catholic Guy, you think chasjohn or Zerinus or wademann or c_miles will answer a direct question like this?
We are happy to answer your questions. What we won’t do is stay and read your ridicule and Mormon Bashing, if that is what your “Catholic Answers Forum” is all about!
 
We are happy to answer your questions. What we won’t do is stay and read your ridicule and Mormon Bashing, if that is what your “Catholic Answers Forum” is all about!
Well, quit the dillydallying, answer his question!

By the way, look up your compadre Zerinus, he is the one who called us Catholics “enemies of God and His True Church.”

He also said in the same posting that we are “damned.”

I’ll “bash” that kind of debate all day and all night, counselor.

Pax Christi
 
Very well JonathanKinsman, I will respond to no more of your posts.
Spoken like a true believer.

I expected no less from you, so I would have been surprised if you distanced yourself from Zerinus’ insulting statements and made an effort to present a rationale view of Mormonism to us Apostates here at Catholic Answers.

Pax Christi Charles.

Jonathan
 
We are happy to answer your questions. What we won’t do is stay and read your ridicule and Mormon Bashing, if that is what your “Catholic Answers Forum” is all about!
I get the feeling that Mormons are very thin-skinned. Either that, or they have been trained to adopt a soft, anticonfrontational composure whenever presented with the righteous indignation of a Christian who resents being called apostate by them. Here’s the deal: Apostasy is just about the worst sin a Christain can commit. It may, in fact, be the very worst. Mormons seem to like to throw that charge against Christians without considering what the word means, or what the sin entails, or even being able to produce any evidence of it being true.

Of all the various pretenses that I find in Mormonism, this one thing, the pretense to having “restored the gospel” after all those centuries, is the most galling to me. It is such a filthy lie. It tells the lie that all the great martyrs, thinkers, artists, musicians, architects, theologians, and just plain Christian folk, both Protestant and Catholic, were actually apostates, people who had RENOUNCED THEIR FAITH. I don’t take that charge lying down. Implicit in everything a Mormon says is this charge of apostasy, not only for me, but for every good Christain who has lived since the death of the Apostles.

Chasjohn, you are obviously a man of intelligence, one who chooses his words carefully, understanding their meanings. Being that you are a lawyer, this is understandable, and appreciated, I assure you. But, when you accuse us of “Mormon Bashing,” I want you to think about that accusation of apostasy that is implicit, and often explicit, in your religion. Then, if you can grasp the meaning of that, you will know that by your very presence here you are bashing Catholics, and that we don’t take it lightly.

Let’s argue and debate, but don’t come on with any Mormon crocodile tears, sadness at “Mormon Bashing.” If you can’t take the heat, go to another kitchen.
 
During his (Lorenzo Snow’s)lifetime, I know of no mightier man on earth.
That’s a mighty tall statement, and I’m sure you’ve got something apart from your own word that could help us to agree with you.

Here’s your chance to sing the mighty praises of Lorenzo Snow, the Mightiest Man on Earth.
 
Does anyone here want to engage in respectful, civil dialogue?
Sure, chas. You drop the apostasy charge, and then we can progress on into what you call “civility.”

I notice you don’t address anything I said in that post. You pull out the very last sentence and call attention to that, as if THAT were the thrust of the post. You are educated enough to have gotten the point of the post, which is the Mormon charge of apostasy towards Christians, both Protestant and Catholic.

This is typical of the Zerinus Team. No deviation from the thread is too great. Ignore the meat of the subject, and then shed the reptile tears as if you’ve got hurt feelings.

If you’d like to discuss the Mormon charge of apostasy against Christianity, let’s go. If you’d like to tell us why Lorenzo Snow is the Mightiest Man on Earth, then, let’s go.

But if all you want to do is cry about how your feelings hurt because I suggested you go live in a cooler kitchen, then maybe we’d all be better off if you get going.
 
Sure, chas. You drop the apostasy charge, and then we can progress on into what you call “civility.”

I notice you don’t address anything I said in that post. You pull out the very last sentence and call attention to that, as if THAT were the thrust of the post. You are educated enough to have gotten the point of the post, which is the Mormon charge of apostasy towards Christians, both Protestant and Catholic.

This is typical of the Zerinus Team. No deviation from the thread is too great. Ignore the meat of the subject, and then shed the reptile tears as if you’ve got hurt feelings.

If you’d like to discuss the Mormon charge of apostasy against Christianity, let’s go. If you’d like to tell us why Lorenzo Snow is the Mightiest Man on Earth, then, let’s go.

But if all you want to do is cry about how your feelings hurt because I suggested you go live in a cooler kitchen, then maybe we’d all be better off if you get going.
Christianity apostatized. That is the long and short of it. There is no question about that. There will be no compromise on that one. Too bad you don’t like it. It is true.

zerinus
 
A retired Mormon Attorney living in Las Vegas? Isn’t that a new CBS sitcom on Thursday nights?
 
Sure, chas. You drop the apostasy charge, and then we can progress on into what you call “civility.”
I didn’t raise the apostacy charge. You did. Allweather, you are another one. I will not respond to any more of your posts.
 
And one more thing: You claim to be a lawyer. If you really are one, and not just another incarnation of Zerinus, then you know something about the rules of evidence. You know that it isn’t enough to claim on your own word that something is thus or so. Evidence.

Show us the evidence of the apostasy upon which your Mormon religion depends. We have been trying for WEEKS to get the Zerinus Team to evidence the apostasy, but all we get from them is that they know it because the Holy Spirit bears witness of it to them. This type of testimony wouldn’t go very far in court, and it doesn’t go very far here, where we good Catholics know full well that the Mormon claim of the Universal Apostasy is a lie.

Burning bosoms are not evidence. We need something concrete. If you are a TBM, and an educated one at that, then you should be able to walk us Catholics through the arguments, using concrete evidence, proving that the Christian Church was and is apostate, that the priesthood was lost.
 
And one more thing: You claim to be a lawyer. If you really are one, and not just another incarnation of Zerinus, then you know something about the rules of evidence. You know that it isn’t enough to claim on your own word that something is thus or so. Evidence.

Show us the evidence of the apostasy upon which your Mormon religion depends. We have been trying for WEEKS to get the Zerinus Team to evidence the apostasy, but all we get from them is that they know it because the Holy Spirit bears witness of it to them. This type of testimony wouldn’t go very far in court, and it doesn’t go very far here, where we good Catholics know full well that the Mormon claim of the Universal Apostasy is a lie.

Burning bosoms are not evidence. We need something concrete. If you are a TBM, and an educated one at that, then you should be able to walk us Catholics through the arguments, using concrete evidence, proving that the Christian Church was and is apostate, that the priesthood was lost.
Evidence was given. You don’t really want to know, and it need not be given again. Why should I waste my time telling you something that you don’t really want to know anyway?

zerinus
 
I didn’t raise the apostacy charge. You did. Allweather, you are another one. I will not respond to any more of your posts.
Suit yourself. Zerinus tuned me out a long time ago, and that is just fine with me. I will, however, respond to every single one of YOUR posts so that all here can see them.

As for you not raising the apostasy charge, that is a lie. You are a Mormon. Mormonism is based upon the claimed universal apostasy of Christianity and the loss of the valid priesthood. You know this as well as we do. By virtue of you being a Mormon, you therefore carry within your religious breast the charge of apostasy against me, the rest of us here, and every good Christian who ever lived since the death of the Apostles.

Let it be known by everyone reading this that chasjohn is prevaricating on the apostasy charge. Apparently he is no better than Zerinus.
 
I have Mormon sypethies. I live in a place where many people are Mormon and it actually makes the place better. However for being such a evangelical people they sure do seep unable to enter the boxing ring of religious diolouge with anything truely meaningfull or helpful to society. Anyway, chasjohn, I agree with you, I dont respond to posters who are clever and may best me in a logical argument. By the way can this strategy be used in court? “Your Honor, I cannot examine the witness because they may say something contrary to what I am trying to say in a mean way. I ask this court to please close thier ears and sing the star spangled banner.”
Lets all try to get back to the original topic of Patriarchal Blessings. I would like to know more about them.
 
Let it be known by everyone reading this that chasjohn is prevaricating on the apostasy charge. Apparently he is no better than Zerinus.
I am certainly not! Did you not read my post #31 in this thread?

zerinus
 
Evidence was given. You don’t really want to know, and it need not be given again. Why should I waste my time telling you something that you don’t really want to know anyway?

zerinus
Please either repeat the evidence or refer me to the post(s) in which this evidence was given. This is your favorite tactic, Zerinus. You ignore, then you say the evidence was given and that you won’t waste your time giving it again. Then, you announce that you will not engage in further debate with me, or whomever. Then, after a spell, you get back into it with me, or whomever. I know all Mormons aren’t like you are, Zerinus. I know some other Mormons, and they are people of character who keep their word.

Now, I’m not talking about burning bosom evidence. I’m talking about real, concrete evidence. I want you and your alter-ego chasjohn to get serious and show us the money.

Everyone knows you can’t prove it, else you would have done so long ago. I told my ex-Mormon fiance’s father, prove the apostasy, and I will become a Mormon. I make the same offer to you. Prove it, and I will become a Mormon. He isn’t able to issue forth a single WORD of evidence, and neither are you. Guess I’ll stay Catholic.
 
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