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zaffiroborant
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The child died from the measles not “exsposure”.
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why_me
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Now, now Rebecca, must you always use such language when you loose an argument? It is not very academic nor is it a correct way to discuss. The mobs had very much your mindset. Human insecurities hasn’t changed at all. People become moblike out of ignorance.
The attack was sponsored like people like you: those who became disillusioned with Mormonism. This time the man’s name was Eliza Booth. See RSR pages 177-179. Booth had the understanding that JS’s doctrines were “designed to allure the credulous and the unsuspecting, into a state of unqualified vassalage” The idea behind the tar and feathering of JS and Sidney Rigdon was to be rid of them and by doing so, “cleanse the community of a dangerous element”. RSR page 179
The mobs were attacking the Johnson farm and Luke Johnson was a supporter of JS. There is no evidence for Brodie’s assertion that JS was attempting to get intimate with Nancy Marinda, one of John Johnson’s daughters. JS was holed up on the Johnson’s farm and receiving first aid from the family.
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why_me
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The child died do to complications due to exposure. Measles did not help the matter.
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RebeccaJ
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Now whyme, must mormons always reduce their arguments to condescending attacks? It is the truth I tell you, I didn’t make it up.
I am a part of no mob, you however, are part of a sadly misled group of people.
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why_me
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See my edited version above in post # 42
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RebeccaJ
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Which blame can be placed squarely on the selfish lust of her/his father.
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why_me
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But the mobs had the same ‘mindset’ and language as many exmormons on this board. No condescending attacks necessary,your words speak volumes.
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PaulDupre
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Pot, meet kettle.
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why_me
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:bigyikes: :nope:
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why_me
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Kettle meet Pot :hug3:Pot, meet kettle.
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cyberjacques
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Am I the only one who sees a problem with this? The Mormon concept of prophet is confusing. Their revelations are supposed to be directly from God, and yet they change from prophet to prophet, with newer revelations replacing older ones. And Mormons can still believe they are prophets, conveying the will of God, while disagreeing with their revelations… HUH? I’m sorry, but I just cannot wrap my brain around this kind of double-think.
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RebeccaJ
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You imagine what you wish whyme. I would never be a part of such violence. Your naive view of mormons speaks volumes about you.
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majick275
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so much of the “persecution” of mormons in the early days was really by other mormons whe felt deceived when they lost money and/or property and then caught joseph philandering.
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lukewarm
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What is illogical? If you give Joseph Smith merit based on some womens spiritual manifestations then you have to afford the same right to guys like David Koresh, Charlie Manson, all the new age guru’s etc… I’m not even religious just pointing out an obvious flaw in your intial assumption…
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lukewarm
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If you look at what the Mormons dealt out with the Danites castrating men, the Mountain Meadows Massacre etc… Haun’s Mill looks like a day in the park…
Mormons gave it worst than they got if you look at history. They act like they were only victims and that just isn’t true. From destroying the expositor press to the Mountains Meadow Massacre you can see it wasn’t just a one one streak.
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zaffiroborant
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Piffle, it was central Illinois at the end of March not Alaska in January. The child died from measles his sister who also had them recovered.
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majick275
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when the mormons got to Utah the federal government was very supportive. they made BY the governor of the territory, militia commander and indian affairs superintendent. of course that wasn’t enough for the “perfect theocracy” like they had tried to build in nauvoo so they ran off all the federal judges and other officials. when the president sent new ones with troops to guard them the mormons raised more troop sand ran them off too. only when a full army showed up did BY back down and agree to obey the laws. (makes you wonder about certain articles of faith) of course they persisted in the polygamy all the way through Joseph F. Smith.
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The current leaders of the LDS church heavily believe in polygammy and many of them have ended up with two wives or more. Now before you yell liar listen to the evidence.
Current LDS Leaders allow a living man to be sealed to another woman after the death of his wife, or after divorce. This leads to the obvious situation of establishing multiple sealings on Earth that, according to Mormonism, will necessitate polygamy in heaven. Writing in 1897 LDS Apostle Charles W. Penrose stated:
In the case of a man marrying a wife in the everlasting covenant who dies while he continues in the flesh and marries another by the same divine law, each wife will come forth in her order and enter with him into his glory (“Mormon” Doctrine Plain and Simple, or Leaves from the Tree of Life, by Charles W. Penrose, p.66, 1897, Salt Lake City, UT).
This doctrine was reaffirmed in October of 2007 at the funeral for the second wife of President Howard W. Hunter, the fourteenth President of the LDS Church. The Deseret News reported:
President Hinckley affirmed the eternal nature of the marriage between Sister [Inis] Hunter and the former church president, whose first wife, Claire Jeffs, died after a long battle with Alzheimer’s disease and is now buried beside him in the Salt Lake Cemetery.
Inis Hunter “will now be laid to rest on the other side,” he said. “They were sealed under the authority of the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood for time and for all eternity,” he said, recalling the marriage ceremony he performed for them in the Salt Lake Temple in April 1990. (“Sister Hunter’s humor and cheerfulness remembered as she is laid to rest,” Deseret News, Oct. 22, 2007).
Another example of plural sealings is Apostle Russell M. Nelson 's marriage in 2006 to a BYU professor. The BYU NewsNet for April 7, 2006 announced the temple marriage of Apostle Nelson, age 81, to Wendy Watson (see [link]). His first wife died in February of 2005 and this was the first marriage for his new wife. This would mean, according to LDS beliefs, that Nelson has two wives sealed to him for eternity.
Joseph Fielding Smith, tenth president of the LDS Church, remarried twice after the death of his first wife, and in his book, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 2, p. 67, he remarked: “…my wives will be mine in eternity.”
Harold B. Lee, the eleventh president of the church, also remarried after his wife 's death and was sealed to another woman and was looking forward to a polygamous relationship in heaven. He, in fact, wrote a poem in which he reflected that his second wife, Joan, would join his first wife, Fern, as his eternal wives:
My lovely Joan was sent to me: So Joan joins Fern
That three might be, more fitted for eternity.
“O Heavenly Father, my thanks to thee”
(Deseret News 1974 Church Almanac, p. 17)
I know that when my grandfather remarried after the death of my grandmother, the family certainly believed that the new wife, sealed to him in the temple, would be an equal wife with my grandmother in heaven. The official LDS Church Handbook of Instruction says:
Living Women — A living woman may be sealed to only one husband. . . .
Living Men — If a husband and wife have been sealed and the wife dies, the man may have another woman sealed to him if she is not already sealed. (Church Handbook of Instruction, p.72)
The church leaders realize the quagmire their doctrine of “eternal families” becomes with blended families, but don’t have any good answers when asked “Well don’t you still openly practice polygamy in this manner”?.
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Current LDS Leaders allow a living man to be sealed to another woman after the death of his wife, or after divorce. This leads to the obvious situation of establishing multiple sealings on Earth that, according to Mormonism, will necessitate polygamy in heaven. Writing in 1897 LDS Apostle Charles W. Penrose stated:
In the case of a man marrying a wife in the everlasting covenant who dies while he continues in the flesh and marries another by the same divine law, each wife will come forth in her order and enter with him into his glory (“Mormon” Doctrine Plain and Simple, or Leaves from the Tree of Life, by Charles W. Penrose, p.66, 1897, Salt Lake City, UT).
This doctrine was reaffirmed in October of 2007 at the funeral for the second wife of President Howard W. Hunter, the fourteenth President of the LDS Church. The Deseret News reported:
President Hinckley affirmed the eternal nature of the marriage between Sister [Inis] Hunter and the former church president, whose first wife, Claire Jeffs, died after a long battle with Alzheimer’s disease and is now buried beside him in the Salt Lake Cemetery.
Inis Hunter “will now be laid to rest on the other side,” he said. “They were sealed under the authority of the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood for time and for all eternity,” he said, recalling the marriage ceremony he performed for them in the Salt Lake Temple in April 1990. (“Sister Hunter’s humor and cheerfulness remembered as she is laid to rest,” Deseret News, Oct. 22, 2007).
Another example of plural sealings is Apostle Russell M. Nelson 's marriage in 2006 to a BYU professor. The BYU NewsNet for April 7, 2006 announced the temple marriage of Apostle Nelson, age 81, to Wendy Watson (see [link]). His first wife died in February of 2005 and this was the first marriage for his new wife. This would mean, according to LDS beliefs, that Nelson has two wives sealed to him for eternity.
Joseph Fielding Smith, tenth president of the LDS Church, remarried twice after the death of his first wife, and in his book, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 2, p. 67, he remarked: “…my wives will be mine in eternity.”
Harold B. Lee, the eleventh president of the church, also remarried after his wife 's death and was sealed to another woman and was looking forward to a polygamous relationship in heaven. He, in fact, wrote a poem in which he reflected that his second wife, Joan, would join his first wife, Fern, as his eternal wives:
My lovely Joan was sent to me: So Joan joins Fern
That three might be, more fitted for eternity.
“O Heavenly Father, my thanks to thee”
(Deseret News 1974 Church Almanac, p. 17)
I know that when my grandfather remarried after the death of my grandmother, the family certainly believed that the new wife, sealed to him in the temple, would be an equal wife with my grandmother in heaven. The official LDS Church Handbook of Instruction says:
Living Women — A living woman may be sealed to only one husband. . . .
Living Men — If a husband and wife have been sealed and the wife dies, the man may have another woman sealed to him if she is not already sealed. (Church Handbook of Instruction, p.72)
The church leaders realize the quagmire their doctrine of “eternal families” becomes with blended families, but don’t have any good answers when asked “Well don’t you still openly practice polygamy in this manner”?.
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What I am trying to say, Rebecca, is that we all must be careful with our use of language. Language can be explosive and at the time of JS, the language used by antimormons were confrontational and inflammatory. It led to mob violence.
We can also witness explosive language in India between muslims and hindus. It also leads to violence at times. Words should be conveyed with love and understanding with the intent of dialogue.
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RebeccaJ
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Mormons still believe that polygamy is a doctrine of their church. They believe that God suspended the practice, and could reinstate it again at any time.
It doesn’t take knowing their doctrines re: afterlife to see this. All you have to do is tell a Mormon that polygamy is immoral, and watch how they defend it. Or, just wait for posts like this to show up, where Mormons are telling us how polygamy is so integral to their beliefs.
It doesn’t take knowing their doctrines re: afterlife to see this. All you have to do is tell a Mormon that polygamy is immoral, and watch how they defend it. Or, just wait for posts like this to show up, where Mormons are telling us how polygamy is so integral to their beliefs.
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